Recruitment vs Development; the future of the Dragons

[FlameThrower]

The Doggies are always boom or bust.
Of late, they've spent more time being busted and or inhouse fighting.

I'm ok with our more steady approach.
I like the foundation we've invested in. ( Hook, Gentle & Elliot )
We can expect a much improved team next season simply because of the change in coaching personnel.
Trent Barrett is going to be under immense pressure to perform next season and we all know that it takes a lot longer than 12 month shape a team.

Yes, it would be nice to add to our roster for next season but getting the existing players to play to their expect level will be like buying half a team, without the added cost.

Good point if he was rebuilding with a mix of juniors and some journeyman , he would have been given some slack. Instead they’ve gone on a spending spree, so there will be expectations of instant success...

 

[redVinme]

Think Griffin just wants to see what value the team actually has at 100% before making rash purchases. Fair.

The list of 2021 of contract isn't even that inspiring. I just can't wait to see us play

 

[getsmarty]

Think Griffin just wants to see what value the team actually has at 100% before making rash purchases. Fair.

The list of 2021 of contract isn't even that inspiring. I just can't wait to see us play

Correct....we have a number off contract at the end of next year...looking now....

 

[denis preston]

Dragons & Steelers have their own Harold Matthew’s & SG Ball teams but we only have one Canterbury Cup team, the Cutters.

When you think about it it’s an enormous advantage to have double junior development systems.

Yes, but not taken advantage of, particularly the past 8 years. Illawarra obviously a lot stronger than St George but they usually pop up with a good NRL player of two as well.

 

[possm]

Think Griffin just wants to see what value the team actually has at 100% before making rash purchases. Fair.

The list of 2021 of contract isn't even that inspiring. I just can't wait to see us play

Attached is my list of our top 30 and their impact on our salary cap for 2021. These are not exact figures but instead my estimates only.

I have included De Belin in our top 30 for now.

 

[Maddragon99]

Attached is my list of our top 30 and their impact on our salary cap for 2021. These are not exact figures but instead my estimates only.

I have included De Belin in our top 30 for now.

Possum do you know what Newcastle paid for Frizzle?

 

[possm]

Possum do you know what Newcastle paid for Frizzle?

I believe it was close to 600k

 

[Maddragon99]

I believe it was close to 600k

If you cap estimates are correct we got Ellis, Alvaro & Faamausili for $550,000 that’s a pretty fair swap

 

[possm]

If you cap estimates are correct we got Ellis, Alvaro & Faamausili for $550,000 that’s a pretty fair swap

I think a good mix of star players and average players with potential is what the current salary cap can legally accommodate. Frizell was our best edge forward an Origin and Australian representative. The players you mentioned aren't in his class right now. But who knows what magic Griffin and his staff can conger up.

 

[getsmarty]

I believe it was close to 600k

2.1 mill over 3 years......

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/fr...ue-with-season-suspended-20200326-p54eca.html

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/tyson-...-knights/384e7ff5-7a09-4945-9407-9a34165a04c7

 

[possm]

"in excess of 2.1 mill over 3 years......

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/fr...ue-with-season-suspended-20200326-p54eca.html

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/tyson-...-knights/384e7ff5-7a09-4945-9407-9a34165a04c7

Wouldn't be good if all salary cap details were made public each year. This would certainly open the door for more honest dealings.

 

[Maddragon99]

"in excess of 2.1 mill over 3 years......

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/fr...ue-with-season-suspended-20200326-p54eca.html

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/tyson-...-knights/384e7ff5-7a09-4945-9407-9a34165a04c7

I’m very optimistic about Faamausili I think he’ll go very well for us

 

[getsmarty]

Wouldn't be good if all salary cap details were made public each year. This would certainly open the door for more honest dealings.

Agree, but players association will not allow it.

 

[George Dragon]

Attached is my list of our top 30 and their impact on our salary cap for 2021. These are not exact figures but instead my estimates only.

I have included De Belin in our top 30 for now.

HAHA
The fact that a person thinks they know what one player is on let alone a whole squad is laughable.
I know multiple players and managers and would not even attempt it.
Lets start with the basics, you have 2 players in there that are on DP contracts of around 50k and its has its only salary cap.
Bottom 4 players are on 75k we may have used 2 or 3 of them and saved 1. So the twins are more than likely on that plus bonuses. While we are on bonuses, all earnt last year are added to this years cap so you have to allow for that.
Lomax is on no where near 500k yet.

I believe it was close to 600k

Multiple report of his contract and you cant even guess that right.

Wouldn't be good if all salary cap details were made public each year. This would certainly open the door for more honest dealings.

How so the NRL know what all contract are worth, so how does would it make for more honest dealing.
Do you think if it was public the club would reveal their brown paper bag dealings....

 

[SBD82]

HAHA
The fact that a person thinks they know what one player is on let alone a whole squad is laughable.
I know multiple players and managers and would not even attempt it.
Lets start with the basics, you have 2 players in there that are on DP contracts of around 50k and its has its only salary cap.
Bottom 4 players are on 75k we may have used 2 or 3 of them and saved 1. So the twins are more than likely on that plus bonuses. While we are on bonuses, all earnt last year are added to this years cap so you have to allow for that.
Lomax is on no where near 500k yet.



Multiple report of his contract and you cant even guess that right.



How so the NRL know what all contract are worth, so how does would it make for more honest dealing.
Do you think if it was public the club would reveal their brown paper bag dealings....

This is the sort of factual post that is going to rustle some serious jimmies around here.

 

[getsmarty]

This is the sort of factual post that is going to rustle some serious jimmies around here.

It's good that it is from @George Dragon. He has credibility..

 

[Maddragon99]

2.1 mill over 3 years......

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/fr...ue-with-season-suspended-20200326-p54eca.html

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/tyson-...-knights/384e7ff5-7a09-4945-9407-9a34165a04c7

If this is true does anyone on here think a 28yr Friz is worth $700K a season? Newcastle are desperate

 

[getsmarty]

If this is true does anyone on here think a 28yr Friz is worth $700K a season? Newcastle are desperate

As @George Dragon stated hard to know the exact figure...possibly more....I would have loved to have kept Tyson....too late now.

 

[Maddragon99]

If this is true does anyone on here think a 28yr Friz is worth $700K a season? Newcastle are desperate

If we paid Friz or any other big signing $700K then we’d have 3 players taking up over a third of our total cap. You just can’t do that. Once Norman is gone I have no doubt Hook will bringing the X Factor player we need.

 

[True_Believer]

How so the NRL know what all contract are worth, so how does would it make for more honest dealing.
Do you think if it was public the club would reveal their brown paper bag dealings....

I don't tell my family what I earn let alone my co-workers. There's no way I can see making player salaries public would be beneficial. Again, any suggestions of doing this is purely for supporter benefit only and serves no purpose.

And as you point out @George Dragon, the NRL should already know what the contracted salary of each player is - so no benefits there. It's the "uncontracted" salaries that will never be known unless the payment structures are changed.