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Cameron McInnes

Who’s the better dummyhalf for ‘22 & ‘23?

  • Cameron McInnes

    Votes: 46 54.8%
  • Ben Hunt

    Votes: 38 45.2%

  • Total voters
    84

possm

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Maybe, I feel however that is what his ‘signature’ or ‘M O’ is as a player, as he doesn’t naturally have those other attacking attributes. I feel the side would be stronger if he diminished his defensive side somewhat, saved some spark and worked on his attacking contribution a bit more.
McInnes's defesive work could only be reduced if the rest of our forward pack are substantially effective in defence up the middle. Last season positionally, our defence close to the line was way off.
 

Maddragon99

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McInnes's defesive work could only be reduced if the rest of our forward pack are substantially effective in defence up the middle. Last season positionally, our defence close to the line was way off.
McInnes has missed JdB the most, Jack did a lot of tackling in the middle Cam had to pick up the slack
 

Inisai Toga

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McInnes's defesive work could only be reduced if the rest of our forward pack are substantially effective in defence up the middle. Last season positionally, our defence close to the line was way off.
Yes and no, in my opinion. I agree with you that our middle defence was terrible often close to the line by going though the teeth of our forwards, which when that happens i feel is game over. However, I also feel McInnes could be more selective in his defensive choices and save some petrol for attack that the TEAM needs. It would mean a change of identity for him as he’s much lauded for his stats, but while 70 tackles a match for a hooker is admirable achievement but silly in my opinion. Parramatta’s Hindmarsh was a good comparison where his attack suffered due to the huge workload he took on. Be surprised if Griffin wouldn’t address that..
 
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getsmarty

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Hooper: McInnes contract scenario hands Hook his first real test as Dragons coach
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  • January 18, 2021 4:02pm
  • JAMES HOOPER
  • Source: FOX SPORTS
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Cameron McInnes has yet to receive an offer from the DragonsSource: Getty Images
The Cameron McInnes contract scenario at St George Illawarra is the first real test for new Red V coach Anthony Griffin as the club pursues Brisbane hooker Andrew McCullough.

Dragons captain McInnes is a free agent as of next season and is still awaiting a formal offer from the Red V for 2022.

In the meantime, Griffin has green lit a move to chase Broncos hooker McCullough as the Red V look to overhaul their playing style.


In fairness, the Dragons have finished 15th and 12th the last two years.

By chasing McCullough, Griffin is sending a clear message reputations mean nothing and he will pick the St George Illawarra best 17 based on what he believes is best for the team.

It’s a strong message but also one that comes with an element of risk given the respect McInnes commands around the Red V playing group.

Whereas last year the Dragons opted to play Ben Hunt at hooker and use McInnes as a ball-playing, small lock forward, this year Griffin has signalled Hunt will return to the halves.

Hunt and McCullough are great mates from their days at the Brisbane Broncos together when they played in an under 20s grand final alongside Corey Norman.


The coach? Anthony Griffin.

So the McCullough play can be interpreted as putting the band back together.

McInnes turns 27 on February 1 this year while McCullough turns 31 on January 30.

McCullough is also coming off a major injury after tearing his hamstring off the bone playing for Newcastle last season.

But by all reports the Broncos dummy-half has been flying in pre-season at Red Hill.

The sticking point to the Broncos releasing McCullough for this year is whether the club is prepared to chip in to cover any of his $600,000-a-season deal.


The Broncos have already paid him from November 1 but will most likely need to throw something in to make the deal happen this year.

Both McCullough and McInnes are tough dummy-halves who primarily play 80 minutes most games.

So how do the Dragons fit them both in?

The simple answer is play McInnes primarily as a small lock forward – a role he proved more than adept at handling last year.

The Dragons skipper impressed so much he won selection in the NSW Blues State of Origin 27-man squad and received rave reviews from all the Blues coaching staff about his professionalism.

Even though the Dragons have had a forgettable past two seasons, McInnes has more than held his hands up.

The Fox Sports Lab shows how the St George Illawarra captain has only missed three games since linking with the club at the end of 2017, collecting back-to-back Dragons medals as the club’s best and fairest along the way.

Despite injuring his MCL in last year’s pre-season Nines tournament in Perth, the COVID shutdown meant the durable hooker only missed two games.

McInnes only returned to training in Wollongong last Monday and the club is expected to further clarify its position on a contract for next season later this week.

This is when the picture will become a lot clearer.


It’s no secret the Dragons captain met with Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire for a coffee prior to Christmas and the joint venture is clearly monitoring the situation.

Maguire was a huge McInnes fan when he coached him at South Sydney and it wouldn’t surprise if the club made a play to sign the Rabbitohs junior.

A major element of the Dragons negotiations with McInnes is what position he plays.

As much as money will by no means be the driving factor, if he’s starting at hooker he’ll command significantly more than if he’s playing as a middle forward.

It all adds up to a big call to be made by new coach Griffin before the new season has even started.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...h/news-story/1842d73437521e88beaefd45808ab2e5
 

Maddragon99

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Hooper: McInnes contract scenario hands Hook his first real test as Dragons coach
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  • January 18, 2021 4:02pm
  • JAMES HOOPER
  • Source: FOX SPORTS
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Cameron McInnes has yet to receive an offer from the DragonsSource: Getty Images
The Cameron McInnes contract scenario at St George Illawarra is the first real test for new Red V coach Anthony Griffin as the club pursues Brisbane hooker Andrew McCullough.

Dragons captain McInnes is a free agent as of next season and is still awaiting a formal offer from the Red V for 2022.

In the meantime, Griffin has green lit a move to chase Broncos hooker McCullough as the Red V look to overhaul their playing style.


In fairness, the Dragons have finished 15th and 12th the last two years.

By chasing McCullough, Griffin is sending a clear message reputations mean nothing and he will pick the St George Illawarra best 17 based on what he believes is best for the team.

It’s a strong message but also one that comes with an element of risk given the respect McInnes commands around the Red V playing group.

Whereas last year the Dragons opted to play Ben Hunt at hooker and use McInnes as a ball-playing, small lock forward, this year Griffin has signalled Hunt will return to the halves.

Hunt and McCullough are great mates from their days at the Brisbane Broncos together when they played in an under 20s grand final alongside Corey Norman.


The coach? Anthony Griffin.

So the McCullough play can be interpreted as putting the band back together.

McInnes turns 27 on February 1 this year while McCullough turns 31 on January 30.

McCullough is also coming off a major injury after tearing his hamstring off the bone playing for Newcastle last season.

But by all reports the Broncos dummy-half has been flying in pre-season at Red Hill.

The sticking point to the Broncos releasing McCullough for this year is whether the club is prepared to chip in to cover any of his $600,000-a-season deal.


The Broncos have already paid him from November 1 but will most likely need to throw something in to make the deal happen this year.

Both McCullough and McInnes are tough dummy-halves who primarily play 80 minutes most games.

So how do the Dragons fit them both in?

The simple answer is play McInnes primarily as a small lock forward – a role he proved more than adept at handling last year.

The Dragons skipper impressed so much he won selection in the NSW Blues State of Origin 27-man squad and received rave reviews from all the Blues coaching staff about his professionalism.

Even though the Dragons have had a forgettable past two seasons, McInnes has more than held his hands up.

The Fox Sports Lab shows how the St George Illawarra captain has only missed three games since linking with the club at the end of 2017, collecting back-to-back Dragons medals as the club’s best and fairest along the way.

Despite injuring his MCL in last year’s pre-season Nines tournament in Perth, the COVID shutdown meant the durable hooker only missed two games.

McInnes only returned to training in Wollongong last Monday and the club is expected to further clarify its position on a contract for next season later this week.

This is when the picture will become a lot clearer.


It’s no secret the Dragons captain met with Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire for a coffee prior to Christmas and the joint venture is clearly monitoring the situation.

Maguire was a huge McInnes fan when he coached him at South Sydney and it wouldn’t surprise if the club made a play to sign the Rabbitohs junior.

A major element of the Dragons negotiations with McInnes is what position he plays.

As much as money will by no means be the driving factor, if he’s starting at hooker he’ll command significantly more than if he’s playing as a middle forward.

It all adds up to a big call to be made by new coach Griffin before the new season has even started.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...h/news-story/1842d73437521e88beaefd45808ab2e5
Well we did say the drums were beating
 
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Sounds plausible, McCulloch would be much cheaper that McInnes.

money shouldn’t come into play here.
One is coming off a very serious injury and at the end of his career.
The other is in his prime and our Club Captain.
One is ranked not even in top 10 best hookers now and the other probably in the top 5.
Cam is passion and heart, a must keep IMO.
 

Maddragon99

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money shouldn’t come into play here.
One is coming off a very serious injury and at the end of his career.
The other is in his prime and our Club Captain.
One is ranked not even in top 10 best hookers now and the other probably in the top 5.
Cam is passion and heart, a must keep IMO.
I think this more about Hunt transitioning into 9 than it is about McInnes staying or going.
 

Maddragon99

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Hooper: McInnes contract scenario hands Hook his first real test as Dragons coach
Dragons
james_hooper.jpg

  • January 18, 2021 4:02pm
  • JAMES HOOPER
  • Source: FOX SPORTS
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Cameron McInnes has yet to receive an offer from the DragonsSource: Getty Images
The Cameron McInnes contract scenario at St George Illawarra is the first real test for new Red V coach Anthony Griffin as the club pursues Brisbane hooker Andrew McCullough.

Dragons captain McInnes is a free agent as of next season and is still awaiting a formal offer from the Red V for 2022.

In the meantime, Griffin has green lit a move to chase Broncos hooker McCullough as the Red V look to overhaul their playing style.


In fairness, the Dragons have finished 15th and 12th the last two years.

By chasing McCullough, Griffin is sending a clear message reputations mean nothing and he will pick the St George Illawarra best 17 based on what he believes is best for the team.

It’s a strong message but also one that comes with an element of risk given the respect McInnes commands around the Red V playing group.

Whereas last year the Dragons opted to play Ben Hunt at hooker and use McInnes as a ball-playing, small lock forward, this year Griffin has signalled Hunt will return to the halves.

Hunt and McCullough are great mates from their days at the Brisbane Broncos together when they played in an under 20s grand final alongside Corey Norman.


The coach? Anthony Griffin.

So the McCullough play can be interpreted as putting the band back together.

McInnes turns 27 on February 1 this year while McCullough turns 31 on January 30.

McCullough is also coming off a major injury after tearing his hamstring off the bone playing for Newcastle last season.

But by all reports the Broncos dummy-half has been flying in pre-season at Red Hill.

The sticking point to the Broncos releasing McCullough for this year is whether the club is prepared to chip in to cover any of his $600,000-a-season deal.


The Broncos have already paid him from November 1 but will most likely need to throw something in to make the deal happen this year.

Both McCullough and McInnes are tough dummy-halves who primarily play 80 minutes most games.

So how do the Dragons fit them both in?

The simple answer is play McInnes primarily as a small lock forward – a role he proved more than adept at handling last year.

The Dragons skipper impressed so much he won selection in the NSW Blues State of Origin 27-man squad and received rave reviews from all the Blues coaching staff about his professionalism.

Even though the Dragons have had a forgettable past two seasons, McInnes has more than held his hands up.

The Fox Sports Lab shows how the St George Illawarra captain has only missed three games since linking with the club at the end of 2017, collecting back-to-back Dragons medals as the club’s best and fairest along the way.

Despite injuring his MCL in last year’s pre-season Nines tournament in Perth, the COVID shutdown meant the durable hooker only missed two games.

McInnes only returned to training in Wollongong last Monday and the club is expected to further clarify its position on a contract for next season later this week.

This is when the picture will become a lot clearer.


It’s no secret the Dragons captain met with Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire for a coffee prior to Christmas and the joint venture is clearly monitoring the situation.

Maguire was a huge McInnes fan when he coached him at South Sydney and it wouldn’t surprise if the club made a play to sign the Rabbitohs junior.

A major element of the Dragons negotiations with McInnes is what position he plays.

As much as money will by no means be the driving factor, if he’s starting at hooker he’ll command significantly more than if he’s playing as a middle forward.

It all adds up to a big call to be made by new coach Griffin before the new season has even started.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...h/news-story/1842d73437521e88beaefd45808ab2e5
You know what? I’m calling it, McInnes is gone.
 

Dragonslayer

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Something for you guys to mull over.

Comparing McInness and Hunt at hooker is some interesting results:

In 2020, Hunt was starting hooker on 8 occasions and McInnes 9.

Their averages were at hooker only:
Runs per game: Hunt 7.4 - McInnes 11.7
Run mtrs per game: Hunt 51.1 - McInnes 94.8
Kicks (total): Hunt 46 - McInnes 2
Try Assts (total): Hunt 4 - McInnes 2
Tackles per game: Hunt 46.9 - McInnes 56.9

So basically Hunt has only a superior kicking game amd held advantage on TA's. McInnes superior in runs, run mtrs and tackles.

Whilst this is suprising, the most interesting stat comes from the fact whilst Hunt was at hooker, McInnes topped the tackle count from lock on 3 occasions and was within 2 or 3 tackles on another 3 occasions.

If McInnes does move on, who takes up this slack of tackling? I guess it's why enquiries are being persued with McCullough as Hook stated "Hunt is a half who can play hooker".

Hook is in no hurry to commit to anyone at this stage, McInnes and Dufty included. However, if 1 or both de ide to leave, then opportunity will arise for others, so be it.
 

Maddragon99

Juniors
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Something for you guys to mull over.

Comparing McInness and Hunt at hooker is some interesting results:

In 2020, Hunt was starting hooker on 8 occasions and McInnes 9.

Their averages were at hooker only:
Runs per game: Hunt 7.4 - McInnes 11.7
Run mtrs per game: Hunt 51.1 - McInnes 94.8
Kicks (total): Hunt 46 - McInnes 2
Try Assts (total): Hunt 4 - McInnes 2
Tackles per game: Hunt 46.9 - McInnes 56.9

So basically Hunt has only a superior kicking game amd held advantage on TA's. McInnes superior in runs, run mtrs and tackles.

Whilst this is suprising, the most interesting stat comes from the fact whilst Hunt was at hooker, McInnes topped the tackle count from lock on 3 occasions and was within 2 or 3 tackles on another 3 occasions.

If McInnes does move on, who takes up this slack of tackling? I guess it's why enquiries are being persued with McCullough as Hook stated "Hunt is a half who can play hooker".

Hook is in no hurry to commit to anyone at this stage, McInnes and Dufty included. However, if 1 or both de ide to leave, then opportunity will arise for others, so be it.
Hook is no dummy. He’s not rushing to extend either McInnes or Dufty because he’s got options up his sleeve.

When looking at the Analytics it’s never easy or straight forward. If we lose some production at 9 with Hunt is that compensated by increased production at 7 with either Clune/Sullivan/Amone?

If we sign McCulloch does he give us 3/4 of the production at 1/2 the price?

Who’d be a coach? Have to be crazy right
 

BLM01

First Grade
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You know what? I’m calling it, McInnes is gone.
No . The manager is trying to get the Dragons to get a wriggle on.
Just as Mansour's did with Souths before they got that done.
If indeed Hooper is for once on the ball, the fact we have not yet offered a deal is because he went out and tested his value on the market as we asked him he was free to do.
Now the market is set by Tigers / Titans?. Over to you Dragons..your call.
 

Maddragon99

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Cameron McInnes looks on following the Dragons’ loss to the Bulldogs
While it might not scream deal of the century, news of Andrew McCullough’s potential move from Brisbane to St George Illawarra has the ability to cause some ripples across the transfer market.

None more so than for the Dragons’ best player in 2020, Cameron McInnes.

The 26-year-old hooker, who was called into the NSW squad for last year’s Origin series, almost carried the Dragons single-handedly through the back end of the year after the departure of Paul McGregor.

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Cameron McInnes looks on following the Dragons’ loss to the Bulldogs
Off-contract at the end of this year, McInnes is a target for the Wests Tigers and has a close relationship with Michael Maguire from their time together at South Sydney.

Canterbury and the Gold Coast are all likely to be looking for new hookers come November 1 this year. The Warriors and possibly Manly too.

It’s a good time to be McInnes and he is sure to be inundated with offers. He wears his heart on his sleeve and is the beating heart of St George Illawarra.

There’s a suggestion, though, that the 26-year-old wants his future sorted sooner rather than later, preferably by the end of this month.

And there’s a catch. He’s yet to receive an official offer from the Dragons, and the pending arrival of McCullough is unlikely to be greeted with his signature toothless smile.

The decision to pursue McCullough is, for the most part, a bit of a head scratcher.

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Former Dragons coach Paul McGregor celebrates with Cameron McInnes
Firstly, he’s had terrible luck with injuries in the past 12 months. He’s 31 in a fortnight, doesn’t offer a great deal of variation or impact from the bench, and there’s talk of a two-year deal in the offing.

Some might ask would it not be wiser to secure your prized asset and player of the year in McInnes before signing someone in direct competition?

The Dragons would no doubt counter with the fact that McCullough has already been paid a quarter of his $600,000 per year wage.

So there’s a deal to be done on the cheap if the two clubs agree a way to split the last year of his contract.

Similarly, there are those – including Dragons new coach Anthony Griffin in Monday’s Daily Telegraph – who will say McInnes can play lock.

Griffin, unlike McGregor before him, now has a seat at the Red V’s recruitment table and has previously worked with McCullough at the Broncos.

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Coach Anthony Griffin and Andrew McCullough at the Broncos
But there are also Jack Bird, Jackson Ford and perhaps Jack de Belin, at the Dragons who would be preferred options to don the No. 13 jersey.

While the story being spun out of Brisbane is that they don’t want to lose McCullough, the fact is the Broncos are quite happy to.

Simply due to the fact McCullough – and his big salary leaving – frees up some room on their cap. Brisbane’s cap isn’t in great shape. It’s why they’ve had to shop in the discounted goods section by bringing in guys like Ben Te’o, Dale Copley and David Mead.

They also have hookers in Jake Turpin and Cory Paix on the books, while Issac Luke has been training with the squad during the off-season.

That would in turn allow Billy Walters, son of coach Kevvie, to head to the Broncos and unite with his father.

There’s a whisper that the Broncos, who wouldn’t see Billy play until at least Round 10 due to his knee injury, view him as a utility who could come on and slot in as a half or hooker.

The Tigers, however, want a player in return. There’s a suggestion that they were keen on rookie Broncos fullback Reece Walsh to which Brisbane said no chance.

Either way, the future of McCullough could have big ramifications and not just for the Dragons, but across the competition as a whole.
 

BLM01

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We don’t want a hooker, we need a lock! My reason for asking is why would Saints be looking for an immediate release for Brisbane Macca?
Experience back up because they don’t want to move Hunt to 9 if they don’t have to and maybe Britain’s just not quite first grade material
 

Maddragon99

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No . The manager is trying to get the Dragons to get a wriggle on.
Just as Mansour's did with Souths before they got that done.
If indeed Hooper is for once on the ball, the fact we have not yet offered a deal is because he went out and tested his value on the market as we asked him he was free to do.
Now the market is set by Tigers / Titans?. Over to you Dragons..your call.
There’s definitely some shenanigans going on, I think it’s about McInnes’s asking price, Andrew McCullough is a decent player & much cheaper. McInnes would cost say $1.8M over 3yrs compared to McCullough who’d cost $700-$800K over 2 years.
 

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