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Test Series V. India; Post Mortem

billygilmore

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One comment I heard came from Harsha, he said people keep saying this is our B, C side but a lot of these players have played plenty of India A cricket the last few years and as such weren’t overawed when the time came to play. We on the other hand treat the Sheffield Shield like a Red Headed step child all the while bowling our collective loads over the Big Beat off.


Yes India have their IPL but they don’t comprise their first class cricket competition over it. The 20/20 disease is infecting the games at junior levels as well. Coaches continually promote the 20/20 over the more conventional through the V style players. I had a chat to a friend who’s son was overlooked for the QLD U 17’s side even though he was the leading run scorer in all competitions his last 3 seasons. The reason why is isn’t aggressive enough and he leaves too many balls. The young bloke is an opener as well, fair f**king dinkum these are the idiots coaching the future no wonder all the players coming through are front foot plodders.

That's really f**ked up
 

hineyrulz

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That's really f**ked up
It is, but it does explain plenty.

I used to be involved in the cricket industry not that long ago, and some of the stories I would hear we ridiculous. Plenty of stories of how it’s all about 20/20 and the Big Beat off.

who cares about technique or temperament, you only have to see the way Renshaw was treated by the media and the selectors. It’s all about levers. Ramp shots and Big Bash Booooooooost points FFS!!
 

Pete Cash

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If we look at this season and last season in shield here are the batsmen who have scored runs across BOTH seasons

There really isn't many people who have averaged above 40 across the two seasons

Green, Head, Darsh, Pucovski, Marnie, Harris, Henriques and Wade are the batsmen in no particular order who have done so. Lets mark Darsh as never to play again. Lets say Wade is now probably in this category now.

Now take Marnie out because he is locked into the side right now.

So there are 3 positions at a minimum not locked down an opener and 5 and 6.

I think Green has done enough to keep one of 5 or 6. I think Pucovski can either bat in the middle order or open.

So based purely on form the available players for the last spot either opening or middle order (with Puc opening) would be Head, Harris or Henriques.

Or cricket Australia pick a guy they reckon has talent to succeed at test cricket as an outside pick who hasn't let smashed the door down in FC like McDermott who is having a very good year for Tasmania. His last year was pretty crappy though (only averaged 30) and thats about what he has been doing his career.

To go hineys comment about A cricket. This would be made a lot easier if we did a lot more A tours. Why don't we have the touring asia all the time
 

gUt

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I'd love to see Henriques given a go, he's a winner and a mongrel with talent. But presumably he's about 400 years old by now?
 

Twizzle

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This is something I've been saying for years. Why the hell don't we have regular A tours?

Sure, maybe not during Shield season or at least not over the whole season, but why aren't we sending an A side over to India for the winter? They could play India A or Indian FC sides, and play Afghanistan.

I'm pretty sure we do Baz as I read about them regularly. We haven't done in the past year or do cuz Covid
 

Twizzle

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01...rs-after-australia-india-series-loss/13072044

Justin Langer stands by Australia's bowlers after India incredibly claims series victory at Gabba

Those comments by the Gnome are disappointing. He's defending his bowlers and I don't know whether he is serious or just trying not to put pressure or blame on them.

He seems OK with us being knocked off our no 1 ranking, its nothing to stress about.

Changes need to be made and maybe he should be one of them.
 

undertaker

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The use of cricket grounds for AFL has also led to changes in pitch characteristics, especially for drop-in pitches. This is why we're seeing record fourth innings chases like yesterday. Something is wrong when a spinner with just on 400 Test wickets cannot trouble batsmen on a 5th day pitch. Much the same happened in Sydney, where it used to turn square years ago..


Drop-in pitches have been used at the MCG since 1996 (after Benson & Hedges sponsorship of cricket in Australia ended), Adelaide Oval in 2013, and Perth Stadium since it opened. The MCC caved into the AFL's demands to remove the MCG cricket square just so their "precious" players didn't have to get tackled on it.

Although SCG and Gabba have so-far resisted the pressure from the AFL to use drop-ins, they lost their peculiar characteristics a long time ago.

SCG was a rank turner throughout most of the '80s and '90s (due to the legendary "Bulli soil"), regularly featuring 2 specialist spinners in each team that played there, sometimes 3. The 2005 test vs World XI was the last test I recall the SCG turning a lot throughout the test. MacGill and Warne dominated in that test, taking 15 wickets between themselves, and getting sharp turn from day 2. The SCG test a couple of months later vs South Africa was a flat track, Warne/MacGill only took 6 wickets between themselves, and Australia comfortably chased down nearly 300 on day 5 with 8 wickets left.

WACA (although no longer used for internationals since Perth Stadium opened) lost most of the pace and bounce it was famous for after the 2002 redevelopment of the ground. This was seen where South Africa comfortably batted out a draw in 2005, comfortably chased down 400+ in 2008, West Indies nearly chased down 359 in 2009, and who could forget that boring high-scoring match in 2015 between Australia and NZ?

Only 3 tests post-2002 where characteristics of the old WACA were on offer for the fast bowlers (2010/2013 Ashes tests, and 2012 vs India).
 

Twizzle

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EXCLUSIVE: Final day of fourth Test a 'total balls-up,' says Ian Chappell

India's incredible win over Australia
Former captains Ian Chappell and Michael Clarke have hit out at the lack of accountability amongst those around the Australian cricket team, following the 2-1 series loss to India.

With Australia failing to bowl India out on the final day for the second consecutive Test match, skipper Tim Paine's tactics have been under the microscope; in particular the post-lunch spell in Brisbane yesterday, where Australia's fast-bowlers persisted with a short-pitched attack on the Indian batsmen.

Speaking on Sky Sports Radio this morning, Clarke lamented the shift during his time in charge, noting the increased power given to the chairman of selectors, high performance boss and head coach, all at the expense of the captain.

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Nathan Lyon, Tim Paine and Pat Cummin during the final day of the fourth Test. (Getty)
Chappell, who captained Australia in 30 of his 75 Test matches, said the current system simply doesn't work.

"It doesn't surprise me that Michael Clarke has recognised that, and I bet if you rang Mark Taylor he'd say the same thing," he told Wide World of Sports.

"Mark certainly had a lot more control than Michael did, and I had a lot more control than both of them, and thank heavens for that.

"Tim's going to cop all the blame for yesterday, and blokes like (Justin) Langer and (Andrew) McDonald will get off scot-free."
Chappell noted that during his time in charge the side only had a team manager, rather than the plethora of coaches and assistants around the current team.

"If the board knows anything about cricket they'll look at what happened yesterday and say to themselves that the system needs changing," he said.

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Australia coach Justin Langer. (Cricket Australia via Getty Imag)
"They may not go back to how it was when I was captain, but at least go back to what Mark Taylor had.

"I had it easy, I only had one bloke to tell to piss off."

Chappell was particularly scathing of the post-lunch tactics on day five.

"I reckon yesterday was a total balls-up, and I think that was because too many people were putting their bit in," he explained.

"I don't know for sure because I wasn't in the dressing room, but when you've played and commentated for as long as I have, you see things that make you think that's what happened.

"The absolute rubbish just after lunch, when both bowlers banged the ball in short, I just can't believe that only one guy thought that up, and I can't believe that Tim Paine went to the bowlers and told them to do it, and the bowlers just agreed to it.

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Australia depart the field after losing to India in the fourth Test. (Getty)
"If that's what happened, they got the result they deserved."

Chappell went on to explain that the on-field tactics should be the sole domain of the players.

"It's no secret that I think the captain should run the team and I wouldn't bother with the coach, but obviously the modern teams do. But here's a good lesson for any captain coming along in future – run the show yourself.

"It's why the captain should run the show and I'd say to any coach who wants to stick their nose into things, when the wins and losses go against your name, then I'll take a bit of notice of what you say.

"In the meantime, if you don't mind, I'll run the show and I'll do it with the help of people on the field whose judgment I respect.

"Yesterday was a classic case of too many people putting their nose in where they shouldn't."

With India coming from 1-0 down to win the series, Chappell pointed out that Australia had problems during the series with both bat and ball.

"Well, if you don't think about it or you just make a quick judgement, you'd say the batting was at fault," he said.

"The first two Tests, it was the batting, but you'd have to say the bowling in the last two matches, especially the last day of those Tests, was not what you would expect."

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Australian cricket legend Ian Chappell. (Cricket Australia via Getty Imag)
Chappell said if the current coaching set-up is maintained, results like this summer's loss to India will continue.

"The system has to be revamped and revamped drastically, because it doesn't bloody work," he said.

"It will work against lesser opposition, because any system will work there. The players that the Australian system produces will beat the lesser lights every day of the week. But you're not there to beat the lesser lights, you're there to beat the best.

"That system will fail you fairly regularly against the better teams."

https://wwos.nine.com.au/cricket/au...-463c-498b-80de-c15eb27f1379?ocid=Social-WWOS
 

The_Frog

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Those comments by the Gnome are disappointing. He's defending his bowlers and I don't know whether he is serious or just trying not to put pressure or blame on them.

He seems OK with us being knocked off our no 1 ranking, its nothing to stress about.

Changes need to be made and maybe he should be one of them.
You lose a game, it is not the time to start hanging shit in public. The bowlers toiled manfully, but the tactic of bowling short didn't work. It is not a disgrace to lose to a better side. About half of the batting isn't Test standard.
 

The_Frog

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One comment I heard came from Harsha, he said people keep saying this is our B, C side but a lot of these players have played plenty of India A cricket the last few years and as such weren’t overawed when the time came to play. We on the other hand treat the Sheffield Shield like a Red Headed step child all the while bowling our collective loads over the Big Beat off.
I recall Ian Chappell in the late 70's after India had won a Melbourne Test calling them the beggars of world cricket. Indians fired back saying he should be careful, lest the begging bowl be bequeathed to him and/or Australia. That day has come. We are forced to treat our premier first class competition like a leprosy ward because we need the T20 money, and it is affecting our Test performance.
 

luv my panfas

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Those comments by the Gnome are disappointing. He's defending his bowlers and I don't know whether he is serious or just trying not to put pressure or blame on them.

He seems OK with us being knocked off our no 1 ranking, its nothing to stress about.

Changes need to be made and maybe he should be one of them.
This team needs a coach Not a yes man
 

AlwaysGreen

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The squillions of dollars that the big bash allegedly makes is meant to go towards things like A tours.

We also make big bucks every 2nd year that India tour.

W
 
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