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Round three vs The Storm

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Girds89 said:

Game vs warriors were he played 7 and may was 6. May played right side and luai just roamed. He's come on A LOT in 3 years. He'll be fine and kill it.
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I remember the game, he wasn't playing like Cleary does. When Jarome roamed he was largely out of structure. I've seen them play together in the lower grades they were very instinctive and shifting the ball around a lot but tone it down for first grade. It wasn't a similar structure to the way Cleary organises in the middle of the field. That's why the way we play will be effected. It'll be probably be effected for the better in some ways and worse in others but it'll definitely be different.
 
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I remember the game, he wasn't playing like Cleary does. When Jarome roamed he was largely out of structure. I've seen them play together in the lower grades they were very instinctive and shifting the ball around a lot but tone it down for first grade. It wasn't a similar structure to the way Cleary organises in the middle of the field. That's why the way we play will be effected. It'll be probably be effected for the better in some ways and worse in others but it'll definitely be different.
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No doubt it will be a little different because Jerome is a different style player to nath. Im sure we will still see 95% same structure tomorrow night as usual though. Luai is a much more advanced and better player now. Im confident he can lead the side around, in fact I think he will step up and really take it on.

I dont think either have really "toned it down for first grade". I think they have both matured and developed fantastically over last few years. Lower grades, especially nyc, isn't renowned for defence, hence why they probably played with a bit more flamboyantly when they were younger. They both know now what it takes to win in fg and the fancy stuff doesn't always cut it. Nath and romey do the little things right now all the time which they used to get wrong. Good kicking game,smart in game options, when to run, not getting tackled on the 4th tacking themselves out of kicking option etc.
 
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Why the didn't we play the same style last year then when Cleary was injured, why didn't we switch then? All the halves would have spent opposed sessions in these structures over the pre season.

We're the only team in the NRL that plays with a halfback as dominant as Cleary. Playing that Thurston dominant half role isn't something just any five eight can do, a dominant halfback is a specialist position. Of course it wouldn't change if Laui gets injured because Burton just loves sticking on the left edge. That's like 95% of where he spends his time in attack naturally.

To over simplify last year Pearce was playing almost as dominantly for a period as Cleary (was averaging like 50-60 touches a game, Cleary is usually in the 70's) but he wasn't in good enough form to pull it off so they switched back to left side and right side halves. In the modern day the dominant halfback is a dying art, there aren't many halfbacks playing like that around.
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Luai played on the right for the Newcastle game but switched for the Warriors and the results showed

We are so why change what works? Burton gets us to the 20 then Luai takes over. As is starting to be the case now anyway
 
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Girds89 said:
No doubt it will be a little different because Jerome is a different style player to nath. Im sure we will still see 95% same structure tomorrow night as usual though. Luai is a much more advanced and better player now. Im confident he can lead the side around, in fact I think he will step up and really take it on.

I dont think either have really "toned it down for first grade". I think they have both matured and developed fantastically over last few years. Lower grades, especially nyc, isn't renowned for defence, hence why they probably played with a bit more flamboyantly when they were younger. They both know now what it takes to win in fg and the fancy stuff doesn't always cut it. Nath and romey do the little things right now all the time which they used to get wrong. Good kicking game,smart in game options, when to run, not getting tackled on the 4th tacking themselves out of kicking option etc.
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The All star game they played 2 5/8th and it was a mess
 
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Girds89 said:
No doubt it will be a little different because Jerome is a different style player to nath. Im sure we will still see 95% same structure tomorrow night as usual though. Luai is a much more advanced and better player now. Im confident he can lead the side around, in fact I think he will step up and really take it on.

I dont think either have really "toned it down for first grade". I think they have both matured and developed fantastically over last few years. Lower grades, especially nyc, isn't renowned for defence, hence why they probably played with a bit more flamboyantly when they were younger. They both know now what it takes to win in fg and the fancy stuff doesn't always cut it. Nath and romey do the little things right now all the time which they used to get wrong. Good kicking game,smart in game options, when to run, not getting tackled on the 4th tacking themselves out of kicking option etc.
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It was the NSW Cup the year they played together against the Warriors but I think it was earlier in the year. Caleb Aekins pretty much said he had to abandoned his usual game of sniffing around the ruck because they switched which way they attacking so much and he pretty much had to stick to one side of the field. Like it was pretty extreme in regards to out of structure play compared to the way the reggies/NRL is usually played. More like something in Super League, which isn't inherently bad. This trend of the halves and second rower running back in the line to support the back 3 on tackle one/zero to counter attack a consolidated line was started in the Super League. Justin Holbrook brought it over last year, that's the Titans started scoring tries from a long distance in the last 6-8 games last year. It's something we've started to do for anyone who hasn't noticed btw.

And I love Nath but c'mon he gets tackled on 4th all the time. It's not necessarily a bad thing, we've scored a few tries because he gets a quick the play the ball with his run on the 4th but it's something he does. The halves are always running the ball if they see a half gap to get a quick play the balls for the other spine players to work off the back off next play is Ivan's philosophy to halves play. Issac Johns who was coached by Ivan at the Warriors and Penrith has talked about this. I assume Jarome will do the same thing which honestly isn't a bad thing. Burton off a quick play the ball with time to kick will be pretty lethal.

I've never seen Jarome as that type of Mitch Pearce player mould type of domiant play maker. He's dominated teams before but Clearly touches the ball in the 70's the vast majority of games. I bet if the stats for that Warriors game were available his touches would be more like in the 50/40's, he just made them count that game. Which isn't a inherently a bad thing. Just that he's a different mould of player. I think that's part of the reason Cleary and Laui work so well together.
 
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GongPanther said:
When if it's another Panthers V Storm GF, then it is a GF rematch.
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There are 12 players that played in last years Grand Final that wont be there tonight.
So it really isn't a rematch.

Storm are already outside the 8 and if we beat them tonight they could end up down with the cellar dwellers by the end of the weekend.
 
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It was the NSW Cup the year they played together against the Warriors but I think it was earlier in the year. Caleb Aekins pretty much said he had to abandoned his usual game of sniffing around the ruck because they switched which way they attacking so much and he pretty much had to stick to one side of the field. Like it was pretty extreme in regards to out of structure play compared to the way the reggies/NRL is usually played. More like something in Super League, which isn't inherently bad. This trend of the halves and second rower running back in the line to support the back 3 on tackle one/zero to counter attack a consolidated line was started in the Super League. Justin Holbrook brought it over last year, that's the Titans started scoring tries from a long distance in the last 6-8 games last year. It's something we've started to do for anyone who hasn't noticed btw.

And I love Nath but c'mon he gets tackled on 4th all the time. It's not necessarily a bad thing, we've scored a few tries because he gets a quick the play the ball with his run on the 4th but it's something he does. The halves are always running the ball if they see a half gap to get a quick play the balls for the other spine players to work off the back off next play is Ivan's philosophy to halves play. Issac Johns who was coached by Ivan at the Warriors and Penrith has talked about this. I assume Jarome will do the same thing which honestly isn't a bad thing. Burton off a quick play the ball with time to kick will be pretty lethal.

I've just always seen Jarome as that type of Mitch Pearce player mould. He's dominated teams before but Clearly touches the ball in the 70's the vast majority of games. I bet if the stats for that Warriors game were available his touches would be more like in the 50/40's, he just made them count that game. Which isn't a inherently a bad thing. Just that he's a different mould of player. I think that's part of the reason Cleary and Laui work so well together.
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Jerome Luai is not in any way, shape or form in the “Mitch Pearce mould” he is a completely different style of player.
 
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It was the NSW Cup the year they played together against the Warriors but I think it was earlier in the year. Caleb Aekins pretty much said he had to abandoned his usual game of sniffing around the ruck because they switched which way they attacking so much and he pretty much had to stick to one side of the field. Like it was pretty extreme in regards to out of structure play compared to the way the reggies/NRL is usually played. More like something in Super League, which isn't inherently bad. This trend of the halves and second rower running back in the line to support the back 3 on tackle one/zero to counter attack a consolidated line was started in the Super League. Justin Holbrook brought it over last year, that's the Titans started scoring tries from a long distance in the last 6-8 games last year. It's something we've started to do for anyone who hasn't noticed btw.

And I love Nath but c'mon he gets tackled on 4th all the time. It's not necessarily a bad thing, we've scored a few tries because he gets a quick the play the ball with his run on the 4th but it's something he does. The halves are always running the ball if they see a half gap to get a quick play the balls for the other spine players to work off the back off next play is Ivan's philosophy to halves play. Issac Johns who was coached by Ivan at the Warriors and Penrith has talked about this. I assume Jarome will do the same thing which honestly isn't a bad thing. Burton off a quick play the ball with time to kick will be pretty lethal.

I've just always seen Jarome as that type of Mitch Pearce player mould. He's dominated teams before but Clearly touches the ball in the 70's the vast majority of games. I bet if the stats for that Warriors game were available his touches would be more like in the 50/40's, he just made them count that game. Which isn't a inherently a bad thing. Just that he's a different mould of player. I think that's part of the reason Cleary and Laui work so well together.
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Really not sure what you're on about in all of this and what it has to do with what I wrote.
Cleary does 75% of our kicking,maybe more and very rarely gets tackled taking him out for the 5th tackle.
Luai is absolutely not in the mitch Pearce mould lol.
 
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How Api Koroisau has shaped Mitch Kenny into a better footballer
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Journalist Nathan Taylor chats with Mitch Kenny. Photo: Melinda Jane.

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With the recent wrist injury to regular hooker Api Koroisau, Panthers fans will be seeing a lot more of fill-in dummy half Mitch Kenny in the coming weeks.

While even he admits he’s not quite at the level of his injured mentor, the 23-year-old says he has come a long way since running around like a “headless chook” less than two years ago.

Speaking candidly for the first time, Kenny said he was very inexperienced at the dummy half role when he made his NRL debut with the Panthers back in 2019.


“I was a lock that just never got bigger, so when my U20s football finished, the club kept me on but said I’d have to play hooker,” he recalled.

“So that year, when I was playing first grade and I was our number 9, I was like a ‘headless chook’. I was doing my best, but I didn’t know the position too well – I had only been playing it for six months.”

With Panthers coach Ivan Cleary aware that Kenny was fairly ‘green’ at the hugely important dummy half role, he made the decision to poach the experienced and highly talented Koroisau from Manly in August of 2019.

Kenny said that while he still desires to be a regular first grade hooker in the future, he is relishing every moment that he gets to learn off one of the best dummy halves in the game today.

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Apisai Koroisau is currently injured. Photo: NRL Images.
“Despite me stringing a few games together during my rookie season, the club – and even myself – desperately needed a hooker. I needed someone to learn off and we needed an experienced number 9 here,” the Windsor Wolves junior said from the comfort of the club’s board room this week, escaping the wild rain outside.

“Api’s changed the way I’ve approached the position, the game, and he’s been really good as a mentor. He’s been massive and always been happy to help, which goes to show the type of bloke he is.”

With Koroisau sidelined for up to six weeks following surgery on his injured wrist, Kenny now gets the opportunity to show the Panthers faithful everything he’s learned over the past 18 months.

Last weekend, during his comeback game against the Bulldogs, Kenny showed glimpses of his predecessor when he put Viliame Kikau over for a close range try.

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Mitch Kenny in action against the Bulldogs. Photo: NRL Images.
“I didn’t think I’d get the call up this early… it’s always what you’re hoping for, the goal is to play NRL and while I’m sad for Api – because I never want it to be to the detriment of one my teammates – it is exciting for myself,” Kenny admitted.

“Now I need to go out there and keep developing as a footballer and put my best foot forward to show that I’m up to playing first grade week in, week out.”

Off-contract at season’s end, Kenny also revealed conversations have begun with the club on a possible extension.

“I’d love to be a Panther, this is the best place for my development,” he said.
 
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betcats said:
Jerome Luai is not in any way, shape or form in the “Mitch Pearce mould” he is a completely different style of player.
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I don't think he's in any mould. If anyone, a touch of Preston Campbell but not quite like him either.
 
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Thirsty Panther said:
Storm are already outside the 8 and if we beat them tonight they could end up down with the cellar dwellers by the end of the weekend.
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They won't be there long. This is their 3rd match against a top 6 side from last year. They'll get to the easybeats soon enough.
 
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