The big NRL divide

[T-Boon]

theres lots of ways it could be done
we don't give enough credit & place enough value on the work put into a player to get him to the top. Only to have him whisked away once he is

The Panthers are really just located in lower economic houso type area. I don't think they should get too much credit for junior developement.

 

[The_Frog]

The Panthers are really just located in lower economic houso type area. I don't think they should get too much credit for junior developement.

You don't know much about Penrith old mate.

youre just creating a new inequity biased towards clubs with lots of pokies and large populations of RL heartland.

The Roosters and Storm have enjoyed huge success without being located in RL junior heartlands. It's far from all there is to it.

 

[Perth Red]

Melbourne Storm has the whole state of Victoria for it's own.....Yet still goes poaches players form other clubs.

were doing a great job turning unwanted fringe or youth players into stars that other clubs then benefit from. A thank you wouldn’t go amiss.

 

[Perth Red]

no I wouldn't be

And how
If a club puts 5 years or more of hard work & $$ into turning a kid into an NRL player , only to have all that work undone by that player being poached by another club, then why would anyone bother developing anyone. Just wait around til youve got some space in the cap & pinch someone elses developed player. That alone is one of the biggest bug bears for fans of modern sport these days
if your investment & hard work is protected then all clubs will go down that path to invest in development. We will see good players staying at one club longer , we won't have fans disillusioned that their rising star is poached away.
Population shouldn't come into it , thered be rules around the size of squads & number of players you can develop. Meaning young players are spread out amongst the clubs as is the case now. Sure some development programs will be better then others , but thats the essence of life .. nothing can ever be completely equal.
Good talent scouts , good development squad coaches , good support networks for young lads uprooted from their homes & moved interstate etc.

anyway
you're wrong, it needs to happen

you’re mixing up league clubs using ill gotten gains to get kids playing the game, and nrl clubs who take the best of those kids at 16 and turn them into first graders. All nrl clubs do the latter. Not all nrl clubs have pokie revenue to do the former.

 

[soc123_au]

you’re mixing up league clubs using ill gotten gains to get kids playing the game, and nrl clubs who take the best of those kids at 16 and turn them into first graders. All nrl clubs do the latter. Not all nrl clubs have pokie revenue to do the former.

If it wasn't for the former where would the latter come from? When it comes to leagues clubs you are like a rabid man hating lesbian that still wants to have a baby.

Edit, you also know these merkins have pokies?

 

[Generalzod]

were doing a great job turning unwanted fringe or youth players into stars that other clubs then benefit from. A thank you wouldn’t go amiss.

Unwanted lol, Thanks for what giving league Grapple tackle, chicken wing, rolling pin, hip drop, crusher, crocodile rolls, cannon balls, ankle twists ...Yes Thank you...

 

[baselinepanther]

you’re mixing up league clubs using ill gotten gains to get kids playing the game, and nrl clubs who take the best of those kids at 16 and turn them into first graders. All nrl clubs do the latter. Not all nrl clubs have pokie revenue to do the former.

no .. Helen Lovejoy
Manly clubs phone in their development programs knowing they can just sit & wait for another development focused club to develop their next star for them. That alone is huge turnoff for fans seeing that happen. Its a big problem.

Again , if your programs work is protected to an extent then clubs will put in more effort. Players stay at the club they started at or have been with for a while... longer. Fans are happier.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Footy is cyclical, the Brisbane are getting a taste of what it is like to be shithouse, just like everyone else has had to suffer over the years.

 

[AnonymousLurker]

You want to protect junior development , easy go back to June 30 to allow the developing club more opportunity to retain their juniors rather than being bought out years in advance

Example - Matt burton wouldn’t sign a contract with the dogs with whole season ahead and go through the current circus of the bulldogs trying to bully the panthers .
Also I guarantee if there was June 30 deadline , panthers would have been able to hold onto him as he would have got more game time , maybe forced himself into the 17 and also seen that Barrett is a dud head coach

Anyway , you can try make all these “systems “ in place but clubs are duds and deserve it ... how many players have the bulldogs bought last couple of years to play fullback or on fullback money

 

[Perth Red]

If it wasn't for the former where would the latter come from? When it comes to leagues clubs you are like a rabid man hating lesbian that still wants to have a baby.

Edit, you also know these merkins have pokies?

no they don’t lol
You dont need pokies to get kids playing the game, there’s plenty of sports with massive jnr bases and no pokie dens.

 

[simmo05]

I'm probably using this example as a double example both about the Storm and the Tigers, sometimes you can't protect clubs from themselves.

Pap left because teddy said he was staying with the tigers. Then he didn't

 

[typicalfan]

Pap left because teddy said he was staying with the tigers. Then he didn't

He was further down the pecking order at the Storm.

 

[soc123_au]

no they don’t lol
You dont need pokies to get kids playing the game, there’s plenty of sports with massive jnr bases and no pokie dens.

I was responding to your post. I suggest you re read it.

 

[T.S Quint]

Footy is cyclical, the Brisbane are getting a taste of what it is like to be shithouse, just like everyone else has had to suffer over the years.

Except the Storm.

 

[flippikat]

Except the Storm.

Their time (of being crap) will come.

Cam Smith retiring was a big step towards them coming "back to the pack", once Bellamy moves on then they'll dip even further.

 

[Last Week]

No, leave it as is. The only way things could get better is if Melbourne are getting pumped harder and more regularly than Sasha Grey (GOAT) used to.

 

[yobbo84]

Crap teams need to get better at recruitment and stop blaming everyone else. I know this, I grew up supporting Souths in the 90s.

Stop overspending on average players. Invest in local talent and look for value buys.

 

[Captain Apollo]

In commentary they mentioned that TPJ can only carry the ball in one hand and he is considered a dynamic ball runner.

Fifteen years ago I remember Brad Meyers (who became pretty maligned) scoring a try against the roosters by stepping a player, fending another then swapping the ball to the other hand to fend off the full back.

The fact that current star players can't do the same is insane.

Surely this stuff should be coached into every player in a development system.

There is a lot of anecdotal evidence I've heard that many junior clubs don't do much skill development work. Matty Johns has commented he had visited junior clubs and watched them train - they spent most of their time on wrestling.

Look even at a player like Daniel Mortimer. Came upo through the Parramatta juniors system but could only throw a long pass on one side of his body (from right to left). If he needed to throw one top the other side, he used to turn his back to the defence so he was effectively doing a right to left pass. Now for a halfback, that's almost criminal that he could only pass to one side, and this was noticeable when he was at the Roosters too.

 

[Vozzy]

The problem is expectations. Other then Cotric the dogs have pretty much the same team as last year so how can expect better results straight away. But at least against Souths other then the score they were putting in and hitting hard. They just lacked polish and the score blew up towards the end. The thing is the shit teams blame attack and it's the defense they seem to never work on. Where the good teams score points cos they frustrate the shit teams by making it hard to score. Panthers are holding teams to like 0-2 tries per game, storm, roosters and souffs are doing this aswell.

Shit teams are impatient and can't build pressure. The top 6 are in there own comp, then it seems the next 7 teams are the same and bottom 3 are completely bad. Games are only good when it's the top 6 playing each other.

 

[super_coach]

The salary cap disadvantages the weaker clubs more than the stronger club. The weaker clubs have to pay massive overs to attract their players so their cap has less buying power than the better sides. The weaker clubs also are a far less attractive proposition for third party deals.
So the only answer is to go down Penriths path and build from the bottom up with a very strong junior platform. Trouble there a strong club comes in and grabs your talent once they are ripe for the picking, like Tedesco.
Not sure what the answer is, you can’t blame players wanting to play for strong clubs, but we can’t keep going the way we are because we will end up with a five team comp. In a perfect world you need every team with a realistic chance to play finals football at the start of the year. That is far from the case now.