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New recruits for 2023

Dragon David

First Grade
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It seems the entire NRL has become a corrupt organisation so it's little wonder clubs cheat the system themselves. Game is going downhill. And what's left for the clubs that play by the rules...well we are experiencing that right now.

There's no way a comp with a cap becomes so lopsided without certain individuals breaking and bending rules.
League has become a massive joke particularly now that the club I'm following isn't appearing to be doing much about anything to making it worth following. How can they be or how are they trying to attract people to follow it? The club is lacking appeal mainly because there is very little coming out from anyone at the club saying anything that gives us any hope for the future. Ryan Webb and Ben Haran need to let us know what is building and going on if anything at the club.

Yes, we have signed a couple of guys, nothing too much though. They should let us know if they are actually negotiating with a few managers on some forwards who can add to our forwards strength which we have needed for a while. Players who can help control our defence and attack.

Whether or not we need to "cheat a little bit" or "do shit like other clubs are doing" to get the players we want, just do something even if some rules are slightly bent in our favour.
 

dungay dragon

Juniors
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1,039
League has become a massive joke particularly now that the club I'm following isn't appearing to be doing much about anything to making it worth following. How can they be or how are they trying to attract people to follow it? The club is lacking appeal mainly because there is very little coming out from anyone at the club saying anything that gives us any hope for the future. Ryan Webb and Ben Haran need to let us know what is building and going on if anything at the club.

Yes, we have signed a couple of guys, nothing too much though. They should let us know if they are actually negotiating with a few managers on some forwards who can add to our forwards strength which we have needed for a while. Players who can help control our defence and attack.

Whether or not we need to "cheat a little bit" or "do shit like other clubs are doing" to get the players we want, just do something even if some rules are slightly bent in our favour.
Gee Dave will have to pull up the Wheres Ryan thread again . to get some action . Active readers of these threads .But be careful mate , some of the bed wetters on here get a bit agitated when you start criticising RW in particular
 

Dragon David

First Grade
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Gee Dave will have to pull up the Wheres Ryan thread again . to get some action . Active readers of these threads .But be careful mate , some of the bed wetters on here get a bit agitated when you start criticising RW in particular
We have been so lethargic in the recruiting area. You would think that our squad would almost be 29 and most of the squad in training but oh no, bloody lax and tardy and did I say slow in securing players that by the time they get out and do something, the cupboard was bare and we end up with scraps again.

What is wrong with us? Why aren't they giving us a couple of solid hints as to who we might be getting or just anything with proposed squad placements within the club itself? I'm thinking that they don't know who they want the useless things they are. They would say that they have been after such and such but we have been unsuccessful so we have been patient and lo and behold, there is no-one worth going for - we were too late!!

Is this so that the team loses the first 7 games and then they can get rid of Hook and others or do they just really do not care and keep Hook on and re-sign him for another 2 years because it would be easy for them saying that there were no other suitable head coaches on the market. Who cares if they told Sullivan and Sloan that Hook was going, but does not actually go? They won't.
 
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I doubt we have been lethargic attempting to recruit. We are at a huge disadvantage because:

1. we have poor administration
2. Since Bennett left our coaching staff has been woeful
3. Our pathways system has been poorly managed
4. We maintain 2 home grounds which is less attractive to players
5. We have been a mid to bottom table dweller for the past decade
6. We have no clear plan as to how the club can be made more competitive
7. The St George area is demographically very different to what it was even 30 years ago
8. The Gordon’s have been unable/unwilling to use their influence to assist player managers in arranging third party sponsors
9. The Illawarra is a less developed version of the Gold Coast and is seen by players as a holiday destination/retirement home for players
10. Have I missed anything?
 

OneEyedDragon

Juniors
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1,444
We have been so lethargic in the recruiting area. You would think that our squad would almost be 29 and most of the squad in training but oh no, bloody lax and tardy and did I say slow in securing players that by the time they get out and do something, the cupboard was bare and we end up with scraps again.

What is wrong with us? Why aren't they giving us a couple of solid hints as to who we might be getting or just anything with proposed squad placements within the club itself? I'm thinking that they don't know who they want the useless things they are. They would say that they have been after such and such but we have been unsuccessful so we have been patient and lo and behold, there is no-one worth going for - we were too late!!

Is this so that the team loses the first 7 games and then they can get rid of Hook and others or do they just really do not care and keep Hook on and re-sign him for another 2 years because it would be easy for them saying that there were no other suitable head coaches on the market. Who cares if they told Sullivan and Sloan that Hook was going, but does not actually go? They won't.
Maybe there are 4 players currently involved in the WC finals that our mighty recruitment team has secured for the 2023 season and beyond, and the club is waiting until the appropriate time to announce it. (As I said - optimistic)
 

Dragon David

First Grade
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Maybe there are 4 players currently involved in the WC finals that our mighty recruitment team has secured for the 2023 season and beyond, and the club is waiting until the appropriate time to announce it. (As I said - optimistic)
That is fine OED but surely there is someone like the days when we had Millward letting us know what they had in mind - although I'm guessing that they still don't have anyone lined up to do the communications and media stuff yet - again being slow and steady.
 

Dragon David

First Grade
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7,588
I doubt we have been lethargic attempting to recruit. We are at a huge disadvantage because:

1. we have poor administration
2. Since Bennett left our coaching staff has been woeful
3. Our pathways system has been poorly managed
4. We maintain 2 home grounds which is less attractive to players
5. We have been a mid to bottom table dweller for the past decade
6. We have no clear plan as to how the club can be made more competitive
7. The St George area is demographically very different to what it was even 30 years ago
8. The Gordon’s have been unable/unwilling to use their influence to assist player managers in arranging third party sponsors
9. The Illawarra is a less developed version of the Gold Coast and is seen by players as a holiday destination/retirement home for players
10. Have I missed anything?
I agree with all of the above Saints Forever and I would say that there are another 9 things to disadvantage us but the amount you have given just shows that there is a massive problem that the club doesn't seem capable of turning things around to give us more advantages. Just one big job that maybe too much to resolve.
 

Dragon David

First Grade
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7,588
That is fine OED but surely there is someone like the days when we had Millward letting us know what they had in mind - although I'm guessing that they still don't have anyone lined up to do the communications and media stuff yet - again being slow and steady.
Just found this on another thread -

"Former NRL.com journalist Chris Kennedy has stepped into the recently vacated media manager position at St George Illawarra.

Kennedy takes over from Jack Brady, who quit his post at the Red-V after six seasons.

Brady has taken up a role with Ampol, far away from the drama during his time at the Dragons, which included coach Paul McGregor’s sacking, Paul Vaughan’s BBQ-gate and Jack de Belin’s sexual assault case.

There was a sense of symmetry to Brady’s time at the Dragons. On his first day in 2017, he announced the signing of Ben Hunt. On his last day in October, he trumpeted the re-signing of the veteran halfback on a two-year extension."

So at long last we have Chris Kennedy to do the media stuff now - hopefully he will tell us more than what Brady did.
 

Maddragon99

Juniors
Messages
2,075
Just found this on another thread -

"Former NRL.com journalist Chris Kennedy has stepped into the recently vacated media manager position at St George Illawarra.

Kennedy takes over from Jack Brady, who quit his post at the Red-V after six seasons.

Brady has taken up a role with Ampol, far away from the drama during his time at the Dragons, which included coach Paul McGregor’s sacking, Paul Vaughan’s BBQ-gate and Jack de Belin’s sexual assault case.

There was a sense of symmetry to Brady’s time at the Dragons. On his first day in 2017, he announced the signing of Ben Hunt. On his last day in October, he trumpeted the re-signing of the veteran halfback on a two-year extension."

So at long last we have Chris Kennedy to do the media stuff now - hopefully he will tell us more than what Brady did.
I was just about to post this. Took them long enough to fill such a key position.
 

OneEyedDragon

Juniors
Messages
1,444
Just found this on another thread -

"Former NRL.com journalist Chris Kennedy has stepped into the recently vacated media manager position at St George Illawarra.

Kennedy takes over from Jack Brady, who quit his post at the Red-V after six seasons.

Brady has taken up a role with Ampol, far away from the drama during his time at the Dragons, which included coach Paul McGregor’s sacking, Paul Vaughan’s BBQ-gate and Jack de Belin’s sexual assault case.

There was a sense of symmetry to Brady’s time at the Dragons. On his first day in 2017, he announced the signing of Ben Hunt. On his last day in October, he trumpeted the re-signing of the veteran halfback on a two-year extension."

So at long last we have Chris Kennedy to do the media stuff now - hopefully he will tell us more than what Brady did.
Good news I hope. Brady was a dud communication wise.
 

Gardenia

Juniors
Messages
2,171
I doubt we have been lethargic attempting to recruit. We are at a huge disadvantage because:

1. we have poor administration
2. Since Bennett left our coaching staff has been woeful
3. Our pathways system has been poorly managed
4. We maintain 2 home grounds which is less attractive to players
5. We have been a mid to bottom table dweller for the past decade
6. We have no clear plan as to how the club can be made more competitive
7. The St George area is demographically very different to what it was even 30 years ago
8. The Gordon’s have been unable/unwilling to use their influence to assist player managers in arranging third party sponsors
9. The Illawarra is a less developed version of the Gold Coast and is seen by players as a holiday destination/retirement home for players
10. Have I missed anything?
Number 8 is a big one IMO
 

Mojo

Bench
Messages
3,430
I doubt we have been lethargic attempting to recruit. We are at a huge disadvantage because:

1. we have poor administration
2. Since Bennett left our coaching staff has been woeful
3. Our pathways system has been poorly managed
4. We maintain 2 home grounds which is less attractive to players
5. We have been a mid to bottom table dweller for the past decade
6. We have no clear plan as to how the club can be made more competitive
7. The St George area is demographically very different to what it was even 30 years ago
8. The Gordon’s have been unable/unwilling to use their influence to assist player managers in arranging third party sponsors
9. The Illawarra is a less developed version of the Gold Coast and is seen by players as a holiday destination/retirement home for players
10. Have I missed anything?
Just for the sake of it:

1. Management issue
2. Football department
3. Football / Management
4. Strategic (is this an NRL requirement or a club decision?)
5. An Output rather than an Input
6. Football / Management
7. beyond the Club's control
8. Strategic / Board
9. Beyond the Club's control

I think there are six issues listed that the Club can actually address. One is a core management issue. Two are Board matters. One is a core football department issue (or should be IMO). The other three need to the football department and management to get there heads together. I don't think this is too hard.

No5 is the headline KPI for everyone from the Board down.
 

SnowDragon

Juniors
Messages
792
Andrew McCullough’s retirement has sparked a hooking duel at St George Illawarra and the club’s newest dummy half, Haele Finau, is gunning for a round-one spot. The former Melbourne hooker has joined the Dragons as a package deal with younger brother Sione, a rising winger who is part of the development squad.
Haele signed a full-time training deal but is expected to join the top 30 after impressing coaching staff less than two weeks into pre-season.
HOOKING DUEL
Haele is set to battle fellow new recruit and former Wests Tiger Jacob Liddle for the No.9 jumper vacated by McCullough in Wollongong.
Coach Anthony Griffin also has options in Moses Mbye and potentially Jayden Sullivan.
But Dragons fans will get their first glimpse of Haele in February’s trial matches against St Helens and in the Charity Shield against South Sydney.
“Hook wants us to play NRL, he said ‘you’re here for a reason’,” Haele said.
“Even if McCullough was still there, it hasn’t changed anything. I have that hungry mindset, I want to push.
“I know the opportunity is there and I’ll do everything I can to take it. Obviously, Liddle is there too. I‘m not trying to compare myself to Liddle and his experience. We’ve been helping each other, but pushing each other.
“We both want the same spot.”
RARE PRODUCTS
The brothers are a rare commodity in rugby league as Storm juniors. But despite coming through the renowned system, moving on from Melbourne was Haele’s best shot at playing in the NRL.
At one point the 22-year old was stuck behind Cameron Smith, Brandon Smith and Harry Grant.
“I had to think about what’s better for me, at one point I was four behind (a starting spot). So signing with the Dragons gave me better opportunities,” Haele said.
But as an apprentice to the Storm duo, Haele brings a wealth of knowledge to the Dragons.
“It was those extras after training, honing your craft. I wanted to get any information from those guys because they were the best,” Haele said.
“Harry was really good at helping develop my passing and running game.
“I still watch Harry closely and the decisions he makes, like when to run or not.”
SPINE CONNECTION
With Ben Hunt a lock at halfback, the other spine positions are set to be hotly contested. Tyrell Sloan, 20, and Cody Ramsey, 22, are vying for the fullback spot, while Talatua Amone, 20 and Sullivan, 21, are gunning for a chance in the halves.
But after Sloan and Sullivan withdraw their respective requests for a release, Haele can see the foundations of a long-term spine combination taking shape.
“We got along straight away, the first time we met those boys. Sloaney came straight up to us. We already have that bond,” Haele said.
“We catch up on the weekend. I can see us forming a long-term spine combination, we got on so well and it’s only been a week. It’s all about connecting.”
TOUGH LOVE
Craig Bellamy might be notorious for his gruelling pre-seasons but the brothers have found no respite in Wollongong with specialist coach Jamie Soward pushing the boys to their limit.
“I’d just met him, it’s the first day and he’s like giving it to us,” Haele said.
“When we’re tired, he’s like ‘this is where you want to be’. He pushes us hard.
“Every little thing, he’s at me. Passes behind, he’ll yell at me.
“But I know he wants us to make it so that means a lot to us.”
LONG GAME
Winger Sione is eligible for Jersey Flegg but wants to hold down a place in the Dragons NSW Cup side next season.
The 20-year old worked closely with Justin Olam while at the Storm but is trying to model his game on powerhouse Penrith winger Brian To’o.
“There’s a lot of competition in the outside backs. But I’m trying to get to that top 30 spot,” Sione said.
“My game is still growing but To’o is someone I look to emulate … his runs from the back are so strong and he makes a lot of metres. That is an attribute I admire. I like taking carries from the back end.”
NEXT GEN
Sione is part of a rising crop of players in Wollongong eager to make their mark over the summer. Already, one youngster, Alexander Lobb is turning heads.
“Lobby, he’s a winger. When we’re running he’s already in front. He is so quick and fit. He’s showing up all the NRL players,” Sione laughed.
“He’s been flying through the conditioning sessions.
Even in the gym, the winger is leading the way.
“He‘s set the standard, even in the gym. He lifts heaps. He’s a big boy. He was squatting 110 kilograms, real low, in the warm up. I’m thinking ‘Is he even a winger?’,” Haele laughed.
FAMILY TIES
While Haele is closer to a debut than Sione, the brothers, who were two of 11 siblings, want to fulfil a lifelong dream of playing in the same NRL side.
“It was never boring at home with that many kids, there was always someone to talk to,” Sione laughed.
“The house was always clean.
“We’ll need a lot of tickets, we’ve already warned the club ‘I’ve got a big family,” Haele interjected.
“We’d love to be out there together at the Dragons. That would be the dream.”
 

jak

Bench
Messages
3,067
Come on guys. Everyone is sounding very depressed. I remain optimistic right up until the time it all goes to sh!t. When is the Charity Shield on?
absolutely agree with your assessment mate we still have a few good weeks ahead of us we may even make it to the new year, one can only dream.
 

jak

Bench
Messages
3,067
Andrew McCullough’s retirement has sparked a hooking duel at St George Illawarra and the club’s newest dummy half, Haele Finau, is gunning for a round-one spot. The former Melbourne hooker has joined the Dragons as a package deal with younger brother Sione, a rising winger who is part of the development squad.
Haele signed a full-time training deal but is expected to join the top 30 after impressing coaching staff less than two weeks into pre-season.
HOOKING DUEL
Haele is set to battle fellow new recruit and former Wests Tiger Jacob Liddle for the No.9 jumper vacated by McCullough in Wollongong.
Coach Anthony Griffin also has options in Moses Mbye and potentially Jayden Sullivan.
But Dragons fans will get their first glimpse of Haele in February’s trial matches against St Helens and in the Charity Shield against South Sydney.
“Hook wants us to play NRL, he said ‘you’re here for a reason’,” Haele said.
“Even if McCullough was still there, it hasn’t changed anything. I have that hungry mindset, I want to push.
“I know the opportunity is there and I’ll do everything I can to take it. Obviously, Liddle is there too. I‘m not trying to compare myself to Liddle and his experience. We’ve been helping each other, but pushing each other.
“We both want the same spot.”
RARE PRODUCTS
The brothers are a rare commodity in rugby league as Storm juniors. But despite coming through the renowned system, moving on from Melbourne was Haele’s best shot at playing in the NRL.
At one point the 22-year old was stuck behind Cameron Smith, Brandon Smith and Harry Grant.
“I had to think about what’s better for me, at one point I was four behind (a starting spot). So signing with the Dragons gave me better opportunities,” Haele said.
But as an apprentice to the Storm duo, Haele brings a wealth of knowledge to the Dragons.
“It was those extras after training, honing your craft. I wanted to get any information from those guys because they were the best,” Haele said.
“Harry was really good at helping develop my passing and running game.
“I still watch Harry closely and the decisions he makes, like when to run or not.”
SPINE CONNECTION
With Ben Hunt a lock at halfback, the other spine positions are set to be hotly contested. Tyrell Sloan, 20, and Cody Ramsey, 22, are vying for the fullback spot, while Talatua Amone, 20 and Sullivan, 21, are gunning for a chance in the halves.
But after Sloan and Sullivan withdraw their respective requests for a release, Haele can see the foundations of a long-term spine combination taking shape.
“We got along straight away, the first time we met those boys. Sloaney came straight up to us. We already have that bond,” Haele said.
“We catch up on the weekend. I can see us forming a long-term spine combination, we got on so well and it’s only been a week. It’s all about connecting.”
TOUGH LOVE
Craig Bellamy might be notorious for his gruelling pre-seasons but the brothers have found no respite in Wollongong with specialist coach Jamie Soward pushing the boys to their limit.
“I’d just met him, it’s the first day and he’s like giving it to us,” Haele said.
“When we’re tired, he’s like ‘this is where you want to be’. He pushes us hard.
“Every little thing, he’s at me. Passes behind, he’ll yell at me.
“But I know he wants us to make it so that means a lot to us.”
LONG GAME
Winger Sione is eligible for Jersey Flegg but wants to hold down a place in the Dragons NSW Cup side next season.
The 20-year old worked closely with Justin Olam while at the Storm but is trying to model his game on powerhouse Penrith winger Brian To’o.
“There’s a lot of competition in the outside backs. But I’m trying to get to that top 30 spot,” Sione said.
“My game is still growing but To’o is someone I look to emulate … his runs from the back are so strong and he makes a lot of metres. That is an attribute I admire. I like taking carries from the back end.”
NEXT GEN
Sione is part of a rising crop of players in Wollongong eager to make their mark over the summer. Already, one youngster, Alexander Lobb is turning heads.
“Lobby, he’s a winger. When we’re running he’s already in front. He is so quick and fit. He’s showing up all the NRL players,” Sione laughed.
“He’s been flying through the conditioning sessions.
Even in the gym, the winger is leading the way.
“He‘s set the standard, even in the gym. He lifts heaps. He’s a big boy. He was squatting 110 kilograms, real low, in the warm up. I’m thinking ‘Is he even a winger?’,” Haele laughed.
FAMILY TIES
While Haele is closer to a debut than Sione, the brothers, who were two of 11 siblings, want to fulfil a lifelong dream of playing in the same NRL side.
“It was never boring at home with that many kids, there was always someone to talk to,” Sione laughed.
“The house was always clean.
“We’ll need a lot of tickets, we’ve already warned the club ‘I’ve got a big family,” Haele interjected.
“We’d love to be out there together at the Dragons. That would be the dream.”
thanks for posting snowy
 
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