Ando's New Signings

[possm]

Good news Dragon fans. We just signed Dylan Coutts from the Sharks. He's a big running back rower who could also play front row. He's still young but has plenty of potential and will hopefully make up for the loss of Jett Liu. There's a highlight reel of him on YouTube that shows what he can do. My Sharks mate reckons he's a gun. Anyway, nice to be able to post some good news.

We have so many young forwards with good potential. What we need most is a marquee prop capable of leading our forward pack. - Tino will do nicely.

 

[Slippery Morris]

Tino is no chance of joining the Dragons @possm. He has committed to the Titans and the Storm are keen. If he does end up leaving the Titans, what chance has the Dragons got against the Storm?

 

[2218]

Do you only listen to what Shane says in the press or watch games?

If you had watched all of our games last year you would easily see that our single biggest problem was how inept Kyle's kicking game was.

Arguably the most important part of a halves kicking game is the ability to gain metres for his team, be it kicking for field position or for line and Kyle has proven he is inept at both.

Clearly anything Shane says about the quality of Kyle's kicking game is clearly clouded by fatherly protection.

Player	Team	Total Kicks	Total Metres	Average Metres Per Kick
Nathan Cleary	Panthers	415	12,715	30.6 m
Mitchell Moses	Eels	196	6,658	34.0 m
Daly Cherry-Evans	Sea Eagles	321	9,464	29.5 m
Jamal Fogarty	Raiders	383	11,649	30.4 m
Isaiya Katoa	Dolphins	328	10,455	31.9 m
Adam Reynolds	Broncos	264	7,993	30.3 m
Kyle Flanagan	Dragons	204	7,482	36.6 m

The statistics suggest that when Flanagan did kick in general play, his kicks tended to be long-range, helping his team gain good field position. This reflects his specific role as a situational or longer-range kicker, rather than the primary, high-volume playmaker responsible for every single general play kick.

 

[Dragsters]

Player	Team	Total Kicks	Total Metres	Average Metres Per Kick
Nathan Cleary	Panthers	415	12,715	30.6 m
Mitchell Moses	Eels	196	6,658	34.0 m
Daly Cherry-Evans	Sea Eagles	321	9,464	29.5 m
Jamal Fogarty	Raiders	383	11,649	30.4 m
Isaiya Katoa	Dolphins	328	10,455	31.9 m
Adam Reynolds	Broncos	264	7,993	30.3 m
Kyle Flanagan	Dragons	204	7,482	36.6 m

The statistics suggest that when Flanagan did kick in general play, his kicks tended to be long-range, helping his team gain good field position. This reflects his specific role as a situational or longer-range kicker, rather than the primary, high-volume playmaker responsible for every single general play kick.

This has to up there with the most misleading stat ever!

All of those above Kyle have an effective short kicking game which would bring this most basic of stats down.

Kyle (for some completely unfathomable reason) was virtually solely charged with kicking long for field position and touch.

Therefore this stat shows his net worth in that area.

The others all have an elite short kicking game and use it a lot which would bring this most rudimentary stat average down.

Try harder...

 

[redVinme]

Player	Team	Total Kicks	Total Metres	Average Metres Per Kick
Nathan Cleary	Panthers	415	12,715	30.6 m
Mitchell Moses	Eels	196	6,658	34.0 m
Daly Cherry-Evans	Sea Eagles	321	9,464	29.5 m
Jamal Fogarty	Raiders	383	11,649	30.4 m
Isaiya Katoa	Dolphins	328	10,455	31.9 m
Adam Reynolds	Broncos	264	7,993	30.3 m
Kyle Flanagan	Dragons	204	7,482	36.6 m

The statistics suggest that when Flanagan did kick in general play, his kicks tended to be long-range, helping his team gain good field position. This reflects his specific role as a situational or longer-range kicker, rather than the primary, high-volume playmaker responsible for every single general play kick.

the other elite halves didnt have to kick from inside their own half every set....

 

[17thPlaceLifer]

This has to up there with the most misleading stat ever!

All of those above Kyle have an effective short kicking game which would bring this most basic of stats down.

Kyle (for some completely unfathomable reason) was virtually solely charged with kicking long for field position and touch.

Therefore this stat shows his net worth in that area.

The others all have an elite short kicking game and use it a lot which would bring this most rudimentary stat average down.

Try harder...

Spot on.

 

[Auntie.Gerald]

They should have split the kicks to say defensive kicks ie inside your 40m or even halfway vs all others

as a minimum

 

[RedVDave]

This has to up there with the most misleading stat ever!

All of those above Kyle have an effective short kicking game which would bring this most basic of stats down.

Kyle (for some completely unfathomable reason) was virtually solely charged with kicking long for field position and touch.

Therefore this stat shows his net worth in that area.

The others all have an elite short kicking game and use it a lot which would bring this most rudimentary stat average down.

Try harder...

How many of those long kicks went straight down a fullbacks or wingers throat? As opposed to finding ground as well I wonder.

Side note did we kick a field goal or a 40/20 this year?

 

[redVinme]

How many of those long kicks went straight down a fullbacks or wingers throat? As opposed to finding ground as well I wonder.

Side note did we kick a field goal or a 40/20 this year?

not to mention the av kick distance being higher due to his dad telling him to just not kick grubbers and die with the ball?

Just what you want from a starting half lmao

 

[2218]

This has to up there with the most misleading stat ever!

All of those above Kyle have an effective short kicking game which would bring this most basic of stats down.

Kyle (for some completely unfathomable reason) was virtually solely charged with kicking long for field position and touch.

Therefore this stat shows his net worth in that area.

The others all have an elite short kicking game and use it a lot which would bring this most rudimentary stat average down.

Try harder...

Im not trying. Remember he was brought in as a 14. We lost Amone before a ball was kicked, we lost Volkman due to injury, hunt was agitating all year and then left. LKT and Reed weren't ready. Ilias not up to standard and moved on. We purchased Atkinson but had to wait till 2026. Regardless of the circumstances of how these players ended Kyle got the position by default. Do I think he is a genuine 7 no. Do I think he has an outstanding kicking game no. Would he go back to 14 if we get an elite half yes.Does he provide value for what he was brought in for and the coin he is on? I think so and I don't understand the negativity thrown his way like he was brought in as an elite half.
Who would you have play the position considering the circumstances?

 

[Flinstone]

0 - 40/20s
0 - field goal attempts
0 - kicks that found the grass
Slowest kick release in the league
But remember the others are all specialist halfbacks, Kyle is really just filling a gap.

 

[Dragsters]

Im not trying. Remember he was brought in as a 14. We lost Amone before a ball was kicked, we lost Volkman due to injury, hunt was agitating all year and then left. LKT and Reed weren't ready. Ilias not up to standard and moved on. We purchased Atkinson but had to wait till 2026. Regardless of the circumstances of how these players ended Kyle got the position by default. Do I think he is a genuine 7 no. Do I think he has an outstanding kicking game no. Would he go back to 14 if we get an elite half yes.Does he provide value for what he was brought in for and the coin he is on? I think so and I don't understand the negativity thrown his way like he was brought in as an elite half.
Who would you have play the position considering the circumstances?

You are missing my point.

I'm not bagging Kyle.

I think he has a role to play in the team and his effort is beyond question.

I am merely stating the fact that that list of stats is misleading rubbish and that his kicking game is inept for a first grader picked consistently in the halves and given the kicking duties.

As far as last year was concerned, at the very least coach needed to give the line kicking and territory kicks to whoever had the biggest boot, not just Kyle because he wore the 7. Val, Gutho, Luch, anyone.

We agree he is not a genuine half and we need to find better, not just make do.

We have sourced one half of the puzzle and we need to keep looking for a specialist to partner Atko.

 

[BlackDuckSaint]

0 - 40/20s
0 - field goal attempts
0 - kicks that found the grass
Slowest kick release in the league
But remember the others are all specialist halfbacks, Kyle is really just filling a gap.

The only player with a slower kick release is Ilias...

 

[Slippery Morris]

I would like to see a stat on how many times a player was tackled with the ball on the last or butchered the last tackle play with poor decision. That is where the Kyle stat will be accurate and amongst other non-effective halves around him. Those halves mentioned above had a 99% strike rate of finishing the set with a kick or some effective play. They would be far down the bottom of that Stat whilst Kyle will be at the top.

 

[TheRev]

It's good that Lawrie has slimmed down, this is his last year to secure his future 'somewhere', but its an impossible spot cause he's rly the guy who is supposed to take the first hit up, but without more mass he just bounces back.. And he doesn't have the footwork to do a lot more.. Almost an impossible situation for him.. Great team man, good attitude, tough as nails.. But ultimately the modern game I think is just too big and powerful for his frame.. Still hope he has a cracking year though, in either grade he is needed..

 

[st.phil]

Player	Team	Total Kicks	Total Metres	Average Metres Per Kick
Nathan Cleary	Panthers	415	12,715	30.6 m
Mitchell Moses	Eels	196	6,658	34.0 m
Daly Cherry-Evans	Sea Eagles	321	9,464	29.5 m
Jamal Fogarty	Raiders	383	11,649	30.4 m
Isaiya Katoa	Dolphins	328	10,455	31.9 m
Adam Reynolds	Broncos	264	7,993	30.3 m
Kyle Flanagan	Dragons	204	7,482	36.6 m

The statistics suggest that when Flanagan did kick in general play, his kicks tended to be long-range, helping his team gain good field position. This reflects his specific role as a situational or longer-range kicker, rather than the primary, high-volume playmaker responsible for every single general play kick.

oh lord - if flanno snr see's this it will be the end - 10 year deal!!

 

[twinkletoes]

Great..so our kicking game is top notch..nothing to worry about there

 

[TheRev]

Those stats can only indicate that Kyle doesn't put in a lot of short kicks.. also it is measuring horizontal distance, so ignores that those other fellas are booting it into orbit, not just straight to the fullback.

That said very rarely are the dragons putting their kicker in a place with space and time to get off a decent kick.. but really we just need someone who can kick longer.. that someone is probably Atkinson.. but I wouldnt have minded bigger again...

Something I notice with Kade Reed, dont get me wrong hes a long way away, but he doesnt need a huge wind up with his kicks, they just seem to ping off the boot.. its fascinating the difference with these guys who basically do nothing but kick for a living, yet its so much easier for some.

 

[possm]

Tino is no chance of joining the Dragons @possm. He has committed to the Titans and the Storm are keen. If he does end up leaving the Titans, what chance has the Dragons got against the Storm?

We have a long-term leadership role to offer him.
We have a good bunch of young forwards who will follow him.
We have lots of cash and a long-term contract to give to him.

We really need him, so Anderson, get it done!

 

[Hound of Dracula]

the other elite halves didnt have to kick from inside their own half every set....

Exactly.

Understanding that Kyle often had over 50-60 meters, plus in-goal, to kick and gain yardage, 36 meters is underwhelming.

I'm not a KF basher but he is not a great last tackle kick option

Remember Leilua's kick from opposition's try line? Like comparing a cannon to a pea shooter