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No mid-season game for England

Chins

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I’m a realist. RL is growing, I’m not the one constantly d4agging the English game down. But I’m alos realsitic about the landscape that it finds itself in.
A landscape that is totally different from the Australian game, so comparing the development of the two is as dumb as asking why tress can grow in a rainforest but not the desert, and the. blaming the trees.
You've spent 15+ years on this site trying to drag down rugby league in Australia you pathetic little bitch
 

titoelcolombiano

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I’m a realist. RL is growing, I’m not the one constantly d4agging the English game down. But I’m alos realsitic about the landscape that it finds itself in.
A landscape that is totally different from the Australian game, so comparing the development of the two is as dumb as asking why tress can grow in a rainforest but not the desert, and the. blaming the trees.
Blaming soccer is such a cop out. RL could be as big as Union or Cricket in England, but it's not because it's run like a bush league. That's what needs to change. If RL was optimally run and it was still 4th or 5th in the pecking order, it would still be in a better position than it is now. So much player development and commercial opportunity left on the table because of shit administration.
 

Coastbloke

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Just play France mid season ffs. Surely a warm up Test against Fiji or PNG for England can be played a week before the RLWC opener?
 

Taking The Two

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I think the owner of the Leigh Leopards is on the money with his comments here

I find it difficult to support this trail of thought when Beaumont was the one overseeing the review into the sport and has played a part in the inclusion of extra clubs, brought back Magic two months after getting rid of it and the jump from 7 to 10 quota players allowed per side.

It gives off that he’s just saying what people want to hear rather than being at the forefront of making tangible changes that benefits the England national team.
 

Taking The Two

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Meh, the clubs voted it all in and don’t care about the national team, that drew 130k+ in matchgoing attendees and however many more on TV, so why should anyone care?
 

Perth Red

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Whilst it is important, and an England win would be great news (at least for a few days until union or soccer or tennis, or golf or darts took over) the stark reality is the gap between NZ/Australia and England is a gulf that is not going to be breached by hammering France mid season or playing a listless game against an exiles team. This years RLWC is well beyond England. We'll do well to make the semis unless someone replaces Wane and somehow transforms the team.

If, and its a very big If, the whole of game was behind England being the pinnacle of the sport in both commercial, promotional and relevance indicators then it would take some seismic changes needed. I just dont see a belief that a successful england would move the needle far enough to make those changes. And tbf with Int RL being an afterthought for the game still there is some reasoning to that.

What Id do if given carte blanche to change things to give England a fighting chance in the 2034 RLWC.

1. Every SL club must run a scholarship, academy and reserve grade (U23's) program at a defined quality level.
2. Overseas quota to be cut to 5 players with a min 40 game NRL experience criteria.
3. Marquee player rule to be changed to include max 3 players developed in your own system off cap.
4. SL Season reduced to 22 games. Mid season stand alone rep matches to be introduced as a War of Roses England selection series plus an England B side v France series.
5. England to play a min 5 games a year.
 

Taking The Two

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The game has no interest in helping itself or creating a strategy that attempts to aide the national side. Shiny LED screens and buying likes and followers on social media gets you IMG points yet academies and bringing through players that become mainstays in the competition gets you nothing. It's a system that undoubtedly works as we've seen across a number of clubs, who have shown improvements on and/or off the field, though I think we're looking at measuring these clubs in the wrong areas at present. We can manipulate the criteria and I hope that, in time, we do but for now, we've got a league structure and a set of criteria that isn't really that beneficial to anybody. I think we're manipulating the IMG criteria to get London Broncos in Super League eventually, given the shift to onfield results counting for more from 2026. I don't hate that for a few reasons, some selfish, but London are doing good things with the move to the training ground, the rebrand looks modern and they're putting money into the onfield product whilst working with some big names in Reebok and Cash Converters.

I would go very bold and people would hate it but I would give out so few points for onfield results through IMG. Anyone can build a team, we've seen it plenty of times (Toronto, Cas in 17, Huddersfield's LLS winning side, Salford between 2019-24, Catalans 21-23, Bradford of the 90's) but very few can build a club. The likes of Wigan, Saints and Leeds were lightyears ahead of the rest but Hull KR have started investing in more than just the playing squad, and it's beginning to pay off, Warrington have began shifting away from blowing their beans on overpaid and underperforming marquee signings and have really invested in their academy and their commercial offerings and that's what we need more off.

1. Reduce the Quota allowance back to 7 from 10 for the 2029 Super League season - Many players who fall under the quota rules in Super League are likely to be contracted between 1-3 seasons, we can't just cut the quota allowance in under a year, I think we need to give it a couple of seasons so that players naturally come to the end of their contracts and clubs can prepare and make plans for their recruitment and retention in good time.

2. Get the IMG criteria to give out points for Academies - Player pools and player production is vital and we don't incentivise clubs to not just have an academy but to produce an Academy that is fruitful for their own club and wider, for Super League as a whole. Give out points for having an academy, give out points to clubs if they hit significant appearance numbers for their club (50, 100, 150, 200+), give clubs points for how many players that have come through their academy are playing elsewhere, give clubs points for their academy graduates hitting appearance numbers for England. Points should be given out for how clubs create and implement pathways with community clubs and their reach.

3. Fewer Super League games - I've been a huge advocate of this for some time and I haven't changed my mind on it. 22 games is the max we should play. Make sure we keep home and away derbies and make sure nobody plays each other more than twice in a regular season and then work out the rest however you want.

4. Have a two-week mid-season break that incorporates England playing a Southern Hemisphere Nation - Do it around State of Origin and get England playing in the southern hemisphere or in the Middle East against an New Zealand, Tonga, Samoa, PNG. It resets the season, get some rest into weary bodies and England get a proper game.
 

Perth Red

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on the last point, that would require the NRl to shut down and clubs to release their players mid season. Neither are very likely.
And there in lies the problem. We can all call for England to have a better lead in but with no one meaningful to play in the Northern Hemisphere it just cant happen.
 
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