The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[beave]

Suncorp does not need a roof FFS.

 

[newc18]

Suncorp does not need a roof FFS.

Of course it doesn't need one but you're kidding yourself if you don't think it wouldn't be a positive.

With Suncorp looking at hosting more concerts and events in general, especially during the summer, having protection from the rain and thunderstorms is important. For Rugby League, increased spectator comfort and improved acoustics is a positive. It can also help protect the field from heavy rain.

Why do you think there is a big push for Accor to have one?

 

[Gobsmacked]

Of course it doesn't need one but you're kidding yourself if you don't think it wouldn't be a positive.

With Suncorp looking at hosting more concerts and events in general, especially during the summer, having protection from the rain and thunderstorms is important. For Rugby League, increased spectator comfort and improved acoustics is a positive. It can also help protect the field from heavy rain.

Why do you think there is a big push for Accor to have one?

Roofs are the new must have. No lost income to bad weather, they pay for themselves in no time.

 

[Wb1234]

Of course it doesn't need one but you're kidding yourself if you don't think it wouldn't be a positive.

With Suncorp looking at hosting more concerts and events in general, especially during the summer, having protection from the rain and thunderstorms is important. For Rugby League, increased spectator comfort and improved acoustics is a positive. It can also help protect the field from heavy rain.

Why do you think there is a big push for Accor to have one?

Think the concerts is only short term till the afl get their Taj Mahal and then they will shift most there ?

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Suncorp 100% should be getting upgrades, but for the other sports Suncorp is just too big. If they want to have more concerts the Roar gets pushed aside for that.

I think the fairest option is upgrading Suncorp to 65-75k with a roof making it the perfect venue for concerts. Rugby League will be the main users with the Wallabies and Socceroos occasionally playing there.

Then build a 20-25k stadium that can host the Roar, Reds, Broncos NRLW, Dolphins smaller games, and anything else in between.

I think it’s only fair since the oval sports are getting a nearly 5 billion dollar stadium.

Suncorp is not going to 75k + capacity.

I can’t stress it enough in this thread - that would have to be a full knock down and rebuild.

Neither government is going to put their necks out for that when 1) labor pushed for the games (which are expensive), 2) liberals ultimately chose the new stadium at Victoria Park (which is expensive), 3) beyond the Olympics stadium - there is other facilities and infrastructures getting upgrades including Kawana and Barlow (which the total of all inclusive facilities is also expensive).

These games spending have coincided with a complete stoppage of Coomera hospital build and Peninsula hospital upgrades. Toowoomba, Logan, QE 2 and PA are continuing to progress forward though with their delivery. I mention this because it’s all relative.

What’s remaining to inject back to Suncorp revamps is what it is. People continue to lobby and work behind the scenes to get a better proposal forward but that is unlikely. Whatever design team is eventually picked, they will need to scale back and skim away many things to ensure they get close enough to what is appropriately allowed for - otherwise it’ll just keep getting delayed and ultimately shelved. Currently there is a small gap to hit, we think what’s been proposed can hit it and if the government believe in it too then it’ll move forward.

We haven’t heard any more updates yet but then again we wouldn’t be doing anything further, we aren’t crucial cogs for further progression beyond where things stand. However, I’ll reach out to SQ later this week and hopefully get something to share.

Think the concerts is only short term till the afl get their Taj Mahal and then they will shift most there ?

Correct. Suncorp will eventually host less concerts but if things align they would ideally be hosting more NRL games after 2032 with potentially 3 tenants..

Roofs are the new must have. No lost income to bad weather, they pay for themselves in no time.

There’s no proposed roof for Suncorp. Again, what funding range has been proposed doesn’t allow for it - or allow for much else outside of extra seating reconfiguration and some increase of the the top tiers by filling in some gaps (+ moving the screens). That’s it.

Whether that’s the right move or not, that’s just what it is. If it changes, great but I highly doubt it will change because the people that are directly managing it are still having a hard yakka time getting any sort of resolution from the governments to what’s been proposed based on what is acceptable to them.

We might start seeing some movement again in the media closer to Magic Round but who knows. They have a lot on their plate as it is.

 

[steeden.]

Correct. Suncorp will eventually host less concerts but if things align they would ideally be hosting more NRL games after 2032 with potentially 3 tenants..

Here’s hoping!

off topic but I assume this means Vic Park is getting a drop in wicket?

 

[newc18]

Suncorp is not going to 75k + capacity.

I can’t stress it enough in this thread - that would have to be a full knock down and rebuild.

Neither government is going to put their necks out for that when 1) labor pushed for the games (which are expensive), 2) liberals ultimately chose the new stadium at Victoria Park (which is expensive), 3) beyond the Olympics stadium - there is other facilities and infrastructures getting upgrades including Kawana and Barlow (which the total of all inclusive facilities is also expensive).

These games spending have coincided with a complete stoppage of Coomera hospital build and Peninsula hospital upgrades. Toowoomba, Logan, QE 2 and PA are continuing to progress forward though with their delivery. I mention this because it’s all relative.

What’s remaining to inject back to Suncorp revamps is what it is. People continue to lobby and work behind the scenes to get a better proposal forward but that is unlikely. Whatever design team is eventually picked, they will need to scale back and skim away many things to ensure they get close enough to what is appropriately allowed for - otherwise it’ll just keep getting delayed and ultimately shelved. Currently there is a small gap to hit, we think what’s been proposed can hit it and if the government believe in it too then it’ll move forward.

We haven’t heard any more updates yet but then again we wouldn’t be doing anything further, we aren’t crucial cogs for further progression beyond where things stand. However, I’ll reach out to SQ later this week and hopefully get something to share.


Correct. Suncorp will eventually host less concerts but if things align they would ideally be hosting more NRL games after 2032 with potentially 3 tenants..



There’s no proposed roof for Suncorp. Again, what funding range has been proposed doesn’t allow for it - or allow for much else outside of extra seating reconfiguration and some increase of the the top tiers by filling in some gaps (+ moving the screens). That’s it.

Whether that’s the right move or not, that’s just what it is. If it changes, great but I highly doubt it will change because the people that are directly managing it are still having a hard yakka time getting any sort of resolution from the governments to what’s been proposed based on what is acceptable to them.

We might start seeing some movement again in the media closer to Magic Round but who knows. They have a lot on their plate as it is.

Everything I say is wishful thinking. Realistically I don't think anything substantial is going to happen. League more often than not tends to get screwed over when it comes to these types of things. We should have already had Accor rebuilt but that got thrown aside and we got the SFS which only one team uses full time and has pitch issues.

Meanwhile the AFL is had/getting nearly 8 billion dollars spent on infrastructure for 3 stadiums. Imagine what Suncorp and Accor could look like with even half that amount.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Everything I say is wishful thinking. Realistically I don't think anything substantial is going to happen. League more often than not tends to get screwed over when it comes to these types of things. We should have already had Accor rebuilt but that got thrown aside and we got the SFS which only one team uses full time and has pitch issues.

Meanwhile the AFL is had/getting nearly 8 billion dollars spent on infrastructure for 3 stadiums. Imagine what Suncorp and Accor could look like with even half that amount.

I fully understand it’s your wishful thinking - however the chat about going to that sort of capacity just isn’t realistic. We need to temper expectations.

You’re likely right that nothing substantial will transpire but then again what is “substantial”? If at the very least, the government green-lights the uplift capacity to around 62.5-65k which has been proposed, that is realistic - then that’s something, as opposed to nothing.

I can’t speak to Accor.

In your comment that league more often than not gets screwed around - an overwhelming amount of the time it’s not because there’s external forces working against us - it’s because of self sabotage via self interests and agendas. The entire “my club is the only important thing mentality” generally hurts the greater game than it does any good.

You’ll find so many prior instances where this has held the overall game back. Including lobbying for stadiums. The upside is that as a game, we are getting much better at looking at the bigger picture.

Relevant Rugby League authorities in QLD will continue to push for upgrades to stadia infrastructure where it can. The big win doesn’t look attainable, so we should aim for a bunch of little wins or risk not getting anything at all.

In time we can then revisit things (in QLD) and perhaps might have a vastly improved result.

Right now though - QR/ARU and FQ/FA need to pull their fingers out and jump on board with QRL/NRL to help get Suncorp and CBus upgrades over the line.

 

[steeden.]

Right now though - QR/ARU and FQ/FA need to pull their fingers out and jump on board with QRL/NRL to help get Suncorp and CBus upgrades over the line.

What sort of upgrades is Cbus likely to get (or need)?

 

[yakstorm]

You’ll find so many prior instances where this has held the overall game back. Including lobbying for stadiums.

Yeap, that's what has killed the Accor Stadium upgrades. Combination of teams being unwilling to commit games to the venue and the clubs wanting instead to draw down from the infrastructure kitty to invest in high performance centres.

The lack of coordination and cooperation between the clubs made it easy for the SCG Trust to push Allianz ahead in the queue just before they were absorbed into VenuesNSW and then public backlash, COVID, etc killed any appetite for the work.

Now with the Bulldogs the only committed tenant (Souths have been very public about their desire to leave), it's a hard investment to justify.

Anyway back to Suncorp, a 60K+ result would be an amazing outcome. Adding 15-20% capacity without needing to knock-down and rebuild would be the best outcome for the near term and something I imagine the NRL, QRL, Dolphins & Broncos be happy with. Hopefully it can happen.

 

[i0Nic]

Yeap, that's what has killed the Accor Stadium upgrades. Combination of teams being unwilling to commit games to the venue and the clubs wanting instead to draw down from the infrastructure kitty to invest in high performance centres.

The lack of coordination and cooperation between the clubs made it easy for the SCG Trust to push Allianz ahead in the queue just before they were absorbed into VenuesNSW and then public backlash, COVID, etc killed any appetite for the work.

Now with the Bulldogs the only committed tenant (Souths have been very public about their desire to leave), it's a hard investment to justify.

Anyway back to Suncorp, a 60K+ result would be an amazing outcome. Adding 15-20% capacity without needing to knock-down and rebuild would be the best outcome for the near term and something I imagine the NRL, QRL, Dolphins & Broncos be happy with. Hopefully it can happen.

Yes I hope we can get a 62-65k Suncorp with some more upgrades to bring it closer to parity to the new victoria park stadium. This needs to happen asap.

Accor is tricky. Only one regular tenant being the bulldogs, but the home of every major rectangular sporting event in the country. Also the home of all major concerts in Sydney. It deserves an upgrade, actually moreso it actually needs a total rebuild.

I think we need a consolidation of venue plan for the Sydney nrl teams. We just have too many sub par suburban venues being used too frequently. The game is growing too big for these.

The fact we only use Allianz for roosters home games is criminal, so too would be just the bulldogs using a brand new 75k rectangular stadium.

It’s a hard one to balance the move to bigger modern stadiums at the expense of playing less games at venues like Leichhardt or Kogarah. We’re just spreading ourselves too thin with stadium costs.

Tigers should just play their majority of games at Accor or CommBank. Dragons move their Sydney games to Allianz. Cronulla and Manly are tricky, if we could get 200-300m for each of shark park and brookvale then the can play there otherwise both might need to consider moving half their games to Allianz.

I think the best approach for the short to medium term is drop a couple suburban venues out of nrl rotation (Belmore, kogarah), reduce the games at others (Campbelltown, shark park, brookvale) and therefore increase usage of the modern venues.

That’s a hybrid approach that could work. The other approaches being either force all Sydney clubs to play at one of the 3 modern venues, or get significant upgrades at all the suburban venues in use to bring them up to 25k seat modern boutique stadiums.

 

[newc18]

Yeap, that's what has killed the Accor Stadium upgrades. Combination of teams being unwilling to commit games to the venue and the clubs wanting instead to draw down from the infrastructure kitty to invest in high performance centres.

The lack of coordination and cooperation between the clubs made it easy for the SCG Trust to push Allianz ahead in the queue just before they were absorbed into VenuesNSW and then public backlash, COVID, etc killed any appetite for the work.

Now with the Bulldogs the only committed tenant (Souths have been very public about their desire to leave), it's a hard investment to justify.

Anyway back to Suncorp, a 60K+ result would be an amazing outcome. Adding 15-20% capacity without needing to knock-down and rebuild would be the best outcome for the near term and something I imagine the NRL, QRL, Dolphins & Broncos be happy with. Hopefully it can happen.

It's why I shake my head when for example you have Dragons fans wanting the club to stay at Kogarah and try and get funding for that (which then makes it harder for the other clubs) rather than just taking the Kogarah allocated games 15km up the road to Allianz and taking advantage of a world class stadium (even if it has issues with the surface lol)

With a mindset like that, we are just hurting ourselves long term.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

What sort of upgrades is Cbus likely to get (or need)?

Nothing crazy. It’s just making the overall functionality a little better. To be honest they are already updating a few things behind the scenes.

 

[newc18]

I'm not sure if this has been answered but if they were to fill in the corners at Suncorp, that would require a new roof right?

 

[siv]

Roofs are the new must have. No lost income to bad weather, they pay for themselves in no time.

Except at Suncorp

You need to raise rhe venue 15m due to flooding

 

[Jamberoo]

I'm not sure if this has been answered but if they were to fill in the corners at Suncorp, that would require a new roof right?

Earlier this year someone from the government was saying that the likely upgrade is replacing the screens at each end with seats, then putting new screens in the upper corners.

 

[i0Nic]

Earlier this year someone from the government was saying that the likely upgrade is replacing the screens at each end with seats, then putting new screens in the upper corners.

That wouldn’t add too many seats maybe 1-2k more per side at best? Might increase capacity from 52.5k to 55k at best. This would be a minor upgrade barely noteworthy.

Extending the seating around the corners would add a lot more capacity.

 

[SirPies&Beers]

I'm not sure if this has been answered but if they were to fill in the corners at Suncorp, that would require a new roof right?

Earlier this year someone from the government was saying that the likely upgrade is replacing the screens at each end with seats, then putting new screens in the upper corners.

That wouldn’t add too many seats maybe 1-2k more per side at best? Might increase capacity from 52.5k to 55k at best. This would be a minor upgrade barely noteworthy.

Extending the seating around the corners would add a lot more capacity.

@Red&BlackBear has said he did the consulting on how to achieve the upgrades. he said he did a full feasibility report for it, i think it was one of a handful etc. its in this thread a fair few pages back, he has been across it by sharing some good info here

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Yes I hope we can get a 62-65k Suncorp with some more upgrades to bring it closer to parity to the new victoria park stadium. This needs to happen asap.

Accor is tricky. Only one regular tenant being the bulldogs, but the home of every major rectangular sporting event in the country. Also the home of all major concerts in Sydney. It deserves an upgrade, actually moreso it actually needs a total rebuild.

I think we need a consolidation of venue plan for the Sydney nrl teams. We just have too many sub par suburban venues being used too frequently. The game is growing too big for these.

The fact we only use Allianz for roosters home games is criminal, so too would be just the bulldogs using a brand new 75k rectangular stadium.

It’s a hard one to balance the move to bigger modern stadiums at the expense of playing less games at venues like Leichhardt or Kogarah. We’re just spreading ourselves too thin with stadium costs.

Tigers should just play their majority of games at Accor or CommBank. Dragons move their Sydney games to Allianz. Cronulla and Manly are tricky, if we could get 200-300m for each of shark park and brookvale then the can play there otherwise both might need to consider moving half their games to Allianz.

I think the best approach for the short to medium term is drop a couple suburban venues out of nrl rotation (Belmore, kogarah), reduce the games at others (Campbelltown, shark park, brookvale) and therefore increase usage of the modern venues.

That’s a hybrid approach that could work. The other approaches being either force all Sydney clubs to play at one of the 3 modern venues, or get significant upgrades at all the suburban venues in use to bring them up to 25k seat modern boutique stadiums.

under that plan.

12 Chook games
6 Dragons
6 Sharks
6 Manly
2 souths or whatever they have now
1 eels
however many games the dumb waratahs play

thats ALOT at allianz

 

[i0Nic]

under that plan.

12 Chook games
6 Dragons
6 Sharks
6 Manly
2 souths or whatever they have now
1 eels
however many games the dumb waratahs play

thats ALOT at allianz

I actually think souths should play all their games there as well. But less dragons games, maybe 3-4 and the rest at WIN.

I don’t think this is over the top, we need to make the most of this centrally located state of the art stadium.

At least if sharks and manly moved a few bigger games each there.

Wests tigers and bulldogs could share Accor.