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The TV rights thread

Who would you like to see get the rights providing the price is right?

  • Seven

    Votes: 57 20.5%
  • Nine

    Votes: 49 17.6%
  • Ten

    Votes: 110 39.6%
  • Rights split between FTA channels

    Votes: 147 52.9%

  • Total voters
    278
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chrisc101

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Full season scheduling is extremely dangerous. I don't know why it keeps getting raised. Can you imagine the back of the year when some teams are out of the playoffs and scheduled for FNF. Each club should get 3 major games which they can lock in the time slot at the start of the season, this why you get the best of both worlds.
 
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Full season scheduling is extremely dangerous. I don't know why it keeps getting raised. Can you imagine the back of the year when some teams are out of the playoffs and scheduled for FNF. Each club should get 3 major games which they can lock in the time slot at the start of the season, this why you get the best of both worlds.
I think they could find a happy middle ground.
Schelduling for first twenty rounds.
TV stations get the pick of the last six..to maximise ratings...
 

adamkungl

Immortal
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I really hope someone high up has thought of/heard the idea to have the first 20 rounds fixed and the final rounds picked by the networks. It is an excellent idea that needs to be pushed, a perfect example of thinking slightly outside the box.
 

docbrown

Coach
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Lock in the major derby and rivalry games before the seasons starts and leave 2-3 F2A games a week open for top of the table clashes.

i.e.

FIRST FIVE ROUNDS
THE 2 GRAND FINAL REPLAYS
ALL QUEENSLAND DERBY GAMES
SPECIAL EASTER GAMES
SPECIAL ANZAC GAMES
ALL STARS, ANZAC TEST, CITY vs COUNTRY, STATE OF ORIGIN, INTERNATIONALS etc
A Rnd 22 Sunday afternoon Double Header at Stadium Australian - HALL OF FAME DAY
ALL RIVALRY ROUND GAMES
ALL MAJOR NSW DERBY GAMES
QUEEN'S BIRTHDAY GAME
et al
 

Perth Red

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Exactly what will teh RLPA offer to TV negotiations? What does a player want from TV more than more $'s in their pockets? There are many useful things the players association can be concentrating on, worrying about tV deals isn;t one of them!

re fixed schedules we still can't sell tickets or advertise the Perth NRL game as TV can;t agree who is going to show the game!!
 

smithie

Juniors
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Exactly what will teh RLPA offer to TV negotiations? What does a player want from TV more than more $'s in their pockets? There are many useful things the players association can be concentrating on, worrying about tV deals isn;t one of them!

re fixed schedules we still can't sell tickets or advertise the Perth NRL game as TV can;t agree who is going to show the game!!

The one thing that players want out of the TV rights/scheduling is Origin on standalone weekends.
 

undertaker

Coach
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Lock in the major derby and rivalry games before the seasons starts and leave 2-3 F2A games a week open for top of the table clashes.

i.e.

FIRST FIVE ROUNDS
THE 2 GRAND FINAL REPLAYS
ALL QUEENSLAND DERBY GAMES
SPECIAL EASTER GAMES
SPECIAL ANZAC GAMES
ALL STARS, ANZAC TEST, CITY vs COUNTRY, STATE OF ORIGIN, INTERNATIONALS etc
A Rnd 22 Sunday afternoon Double Header at Stadium Australian - HALL OF FAME DAY
ALL RIVALRY ROUND GAMES
ALL MAJOR NSW DERBY GAMES
QUEEN'S BIRTHDAY GAME
et al

Yes, I agree that games on public holidays should be on FTA. These would include

Easter Friday afternoon
Easter Monday afternoon
Anzac Day
Queen's Birthday Holiday Monday afternoon

Last year, Storm/Dragons was on Easter Friday, Roosters/Broncos on the Friday Night and Knights/Panthers was on Easter Monday with Rabbitohs/Bulldogs on Monday Night. That, along with Roosters/Dragons and Storm/Warriors on Anzac Day, should be locked in at the start of the season. Those 6 fixtures should be certainties on those dates, with Storm/Dragons, Knights/Panthers and Dragons/Roosters as the ones on FTA. Every year, you could alternate the venue for the Storm/Warriors one. So, if the Storm hosted the ANZAC game, they'd play at 6pm right after the Dragons/Roosters game, and if the Warriors hosted it, they could play at 2pm (EST) before the Dragons/Roosters game at 4pm


Who would play on Queen's Birthday Holiday, I don't know. Maybe you could come up with some ideas.

This year, the Tuesday after Anzac Day is also a public holiday, and should've had a game on FTA. A missed opportunity there for the NRL

Also, all 3 QLD derbies (Broncos/Titans, Cowboys/Broncos and Cowboys/Titans) as well as NSW Rivalries (Bulldogs/Eels, Bulldogs/Dragons, Roosters/Rabbitohs, Roosters/Dragons, Bulldogs/Tigers, Sharks/Dragons, Tigers/Eels, Knights/Sea Eagles, Eels/Panthers, etc. etc.), regardless of where the teams are on the ladder, will always rate well on FTA. What would you say are the top 10 NSW rivalries?
 
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applesauce

Bench
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You can have a fixed schedule that lets FOX pick games too undertaker.

Each day a game is played 1 game should be fixed.

One of the Fridays (probably the QLD match because of great NSW flexibility for networks).
A Saturday match (Perth 9:30p live slot most probably).
A Sunday match (the Warriors on Fox most of the time).
And every single MNF game.

The true rivalries and big games take preference for the fixed schedule over the above suggestions, to allow greater flexibility.

It would increase crowds substantially, give club sponsors security and keeps the value of the TV deal without either side losing anything significant.
 

bobmar28

Bench
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Lock in the major derby and rivalry games before the seasons starts and leave 2-3 F2A games a week open for top of the table clashes.

i.e.

FIRST FIVE ROUNDS
THE 2 GRAND FINAL REPLAYS
ALL QUEENSLAND DERBY GAMES
SPECIAL EASTER GAMES
SPECIAL ANZAC GAMES
ALL STARS, ANZAC TEST, CITY vs COUNTRY, STATE OF ORIGIN, INTERNATIONALS etc
A Rnd 22 Sunday afternoon Double Header at Stadium Australian - HALL OF FAME DAY
ALL RIVALRY ROUND GAMES
ALL MAJOR NSW DERBY GAMES
QUEEN'S BIRTHDAY GAME
et al

Perfect. Except for the queens birthday one. No need to promote an 18th century unelected monarchy.
 

Goddo

Bench
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All good ideas, but you guys are getting ahead of yourselves a bit - we still don't know what the "mechanism" the federal government will come up with to make sure the "best" games are on free to air.
 

docbrown

Coach
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Who would play on Queen's Birthday Holiday, I don't know. Maybe you could come up with some ideas.

Well it should be an SFS or Stadium Australia game (the biggest Sydney stadiums for 35,000+ crowd), so hopefully involving at least one team that plays out of that ground. Perhaps not a major traditional rivalry game, but maybe use it as an opportunity to build up a second tier Sydney club game and turn it into another rivalry. For example, even though it was a dour game the other night, Eels vs Rabbitohs @ Stadium Australia on Queens Birthday Monday afternoon could draw a crowd and build it into a bigger rivalry/tradition.

Where Monday is a public holiday (with 9 games), we should be looking at:
Friday 7:30pm
Friday 7:30pm
Saturday 5:30pm
Saturday 7:30pm
Sunday 2:00pm
Sunday 4:00pm
Sunday 7:30pm
Monday 4:00pm
Monday 7:00pm

Offset the loss of the Monday 4:00pm to a F2A game by offering Fox Sports a Sunday 7:30pm game. A 4:00pm game on a Monday would be a massive lead in to the news.

Where Friday is a public holiday (with 9 games), we should be looking at:

Thursday 7:30pm
Friday 4:00pm
Friday 7:30pm - this is the perfect slot for Roosters/Broncos on GF
Saturday 5:30pm
Saturday 7:30pm
Saturday 7:30pm
Sunday 2:00pm
Sunday 4:00pm
Monday 7:00pm

There's a list of a few of the major rivalries here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_NRL

But each club has about 4-5 games against other teams that can automatically draw audiences/crowds, even more so if they're locked in before the start of the season. You can lock away about 30-50% of the season leaving the rest open for top of table clashes on F2A and Monday night fox.

Perfect. Except for the queens birthday one. No need to promote an 18th century unelected monarchy.

Just another day that the NRL isn't using to its full advantage.

I should mention I sent a draft proposal of the combination schedule to NRL communications last year and received positive feedback. It will be on the table during negotiations.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...epel-demetrious-cash-grab-20110331-1cnfu.html
Networks thrust and feint to repel Demetriou's cash grab
Roy Masters
April 1, 2011

NRL boss David Gallop fired a shot in the turf war between the football codes mid-week, proclaiming at a Men of League function that round one of the AFL produced its lowest crowd in years, while rugby league set its highest.

But both codes face a joint enemy: the broadcasters believe AFL boss Andrew Demetriou has become too greedy, meaning his expectation of a $1 billion rights deal should not be aped by the NRL. Channel Nine is the outsider, engaged in a side battle designed to drive up the price of the AFL and force down the NRL's value.

The AFL's deal with Foxtel has been concluded and Demetriou is locked in final, furious negotiations with the free-to-air networks to drive up the price past the $780m agreement set five years ago.

Channel Nine boss Jeff Browne, who is a former AFL lawyer, and network star Eddie McGuire, who is also chairman of Collingwood, are showing interest in AFL rights, but mainly to drive up the price rivals Seven and Ten must pay. If Seven/Ten pay ''overs'', it achieves two purposes: the AFL gets more money for the game loved by the Victorians and Seven/Ten have no money left to spend on the NRL.

This would allow Nine to enter the auction for NRL rights - which expire at the end of 2012 - as the sole free-to-air bidder.

But Seven owner Kerry Stokes has declared the AFL ''greedy'' and Ten shareholders James Packer and Lachlan Murdoch believe they are already paying too much for sport.

Nine's worst-case scenario would be to end up with both AFL and NRL. No free-to-air network makes money from AFL. It is a loss leader, keeping viewers tuned to shows on which it can turn a profit. According to a recent Citigroup report, free-to-air TV coverage per year of AFL generated $75m in advertising revenue and cost $93m to acquire, not including production costs. It warned that if the price of AFL TV rights increased in the next contract, it would impact on the value of the shares of Seven, Ten and Foxtel's owners.

It's expected the AFL will receive $100m a year from Foxtel, up from the current $53m it pays for four games a week. Foxtel will have an additional game because of the entry of Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney in the competition in 2012, plus the pay TV network will share a further two games with Seven and Ten. Foxtel may also simulcast the finals, except for the grand final.

It all adds up to improved coverage for a network whose subscription rates in the south and west of Australia are well below those in the northern, rugby league states.

If Seven/Ten share games with Foxtel, they will lose viewers and advertisers in a deal under which they now pay $90m-$100m a year.

Foxtel will show the games live and if the free-to-air channels continue their practice of delayed coverage (in order to load up with commercials), Seven and Ten will leak even more viewers to pay TV.

So, if Foxtel delivers $100m and Seven/Ten yield and pay the same, Demetriou has his $200m a year, or $1b over five years. If Seven/Ten play hardball, Demetriou will announce $1b anyway, slipping online rights into the bundle.

The AFL now receives $60m over five years, or $12m a year, from Telstra for online rights. The value of sport's internet rights are expected to increase significantly over the life of the next broadcasting contract.

Any increase in what Telstra pays could come from more live BigPond games, meaning a further devaluing of pay and free-to-air rights.

But Telstra, along with its co-owners of Foxtel, News Ltd and James Packer's CMH, in which Stokes also has a shareholding, all agree football costs too much. Once the AFL deal is announced Ten will close its digital, all-sports channel, One HD, taking one more bidder out of the auction for NRL rights.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...to-souths-or-8230-cricket-20110331-1cnhv.html

MONEY NIGHT FOOTBALL

NRL clubs have been warned that the next broadcast deal will be worth significantly less if Monday Night Football is scrapped. The opening three weeks of this season have attracted record ratings figures for league, with the first-round Bulldogs-Tigers match being watched by a record pay-TV audience of 365,000 viewers. In comparison, the highest rating Saturday night match of the season so far was last weekend's Tigers-Raiders clash, which was watched by 306,000 viewers. Yet some NRL club officials have suggested Monday Night Football was having a negative impact on crowds and should be scrapped. Not surprisingly, Fox Sports chief executive David Malone said that would cost the clubs dearly as Monday Night Football has become so successful that the Ten Network is believed to be considering bidding for it. ''If you took Monday Night Football out of the equation that would have an impact on the value of the rights,'' Malone told Sin Bin.
 

juro

Bench
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Well derrr!! Of course if MNF was dumped, the TV deal would be reduced. Who is suggesting it wouldn't??
 

El Diablo

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be good to see Ten and Fox in a bidding war for it

seriously hope we don't end up with 9. i'd love to see 9 with no sport

it's highly likely the two Victorians from 9 are just interested in getting the most for their mate Demetriou and ripping off RL
 

Billythekid

First Grade
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How the hell are they getting that much extra from fox? They were already getting way more than us. Seriously we are breaking records on fox, we should be getting a sh*tload from them.
 

Perth Red

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It's expected the AFL will receive $100m a year from Foxtel, up from the current $53m it pays for four games a week. Foxtel will have an additional game because of the entry of Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney in the competition in 2012, plus the pay TV network will share a further two games with Seven and Ten. Foxtel may also simulcast the finals, except for the grand final.


Geez if this is true we:

A) Have to expand and Fox gets the extra game
B) Have to get a min the same given our ratings on Fox compared to AFL
C) Allow simulcast of finals
 

Ray Mosters

Juniors
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be good to see Ten and Fox in a bidding war for it

seriously hope we don't end up with 9. i'd love to see 9 with no sport

it's highly likely the two Victorians from 9 are just interested in getting the most for their mate Demetriou and ripping off RL
It would be worth mountains to the sport for it to be on FTA. Live in primetime against no other sport, it would rate through the roof, which would have a flow on effect to club shirt and ground sponsors. If it were live all around the country that effect would double again.

And thats not to mention the massive promotional oppurtunities it would offer.
 

BuffaloRules

Coach
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Im disappointed that Masters didnt mention the opening game of the AFL season shown live on FTA One only got 9,000 viewers in Sydney...

On another issue, how can an independant NRL commission accept less money from Foxtel then what they are paying for the AFL?
 
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