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18th club, whose next?

cumbrian Mackem

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Short-term planning(5 years)for PNG would be the introduction of hunters junior teams into the Queensland competitions at u17, u19 and u21 level or what ever the Australian equivalent Is.

The strengthening of the digicel cup by introducing more franchises from largely populated and unrepresented areas of PNG along with junior teams playing in a similar national competiton.

Long-term planning(10 years) would see the addition of a 2nd PNG team with junior teams entering the Queensland cup preferably from Lae which would allow the hunters to become Port Moresby.
 
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Somebody looking for a second chance or some players from the Queenslan/NSW cup looking to crack the NRL perhaps?

Either way it will not and should not happen, especially when we can achieve everything and more with the Hunters playing in the Queensland cup.
It would be at the foot of the ladder with squad made up of second tier players.
.best thing for PNG is just giving pathways to their players to join the NRL and play for whatever NRL team signs them. There is no need for a PNG team. Of more importance is Perth, Adelaide, another QLD team.
Getting more of them into the Queensland Cup will help. If a Papuan can earn some coin by playing for a Queensland Cup team and get a chance to live in a first world country then it will encourage other kids across PNG to seek out a career in rugby league.
Short-term planning(5 years)for PNG would be the introduction of hunters junior teams into the Queensland competitions at u17, u19 and u21 level or what ever the Australian equivalent Is.

The strengthening of the digicel cup by introducing more franchises from largely populated and unrepresented areas of PNG along with junior teams playing in a similar national competiton.

Long-term planning(10 years) would see the addition of a 2nd PNG team with junior teams entering the Queensland cup preferably from Lae which would allow the hunters to become Port Moresby.
The Queensland Cup should look at expanding into PNG and New Caledonia. There's the real possibility of turning it into a competition that means something to broadcasters and advertisers. I'd like to see the SEQ clubs focus on areas without an NRL team and aim to draw 2,500 to 5,000 to their games. Wynnum Manly could become the Redland Seagulls. Souths can become the Logan City Magpies. Ipswich Jets stay where they are. Redcliffe would make sense rebranding as Moreton Bay Dolphins. Burleigh become the Gold Coast Bears. That way every major LGA is represented, as the Tigers are now the Brisbane Tigers. Norths should become the Brisbane Devils.
 

xe_kilroy

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Seems we're collectively smarter than the ARLC and NRL bosses. All those recent ideas re: PNG plans....but also other ideas about expansion and scheduling games in Perth and Adelaide in lieu of expansion there, etc etc.

Surely, they must see all this too themselves when they sit down and discuss the future?
 

cumbrian Mackem

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The NRL should target countries like Samoa, Tonga, Vanuatu, New Caledonia and the Solomon Islands by building training facilities in the capitals of all these countries in order to identify and nurture young RL talent.

Nations like PNG and Fiji already have the hunters and silktails who I believe get either government or private funding on top of Australian government funding?
 

Perth Red

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Seems we're collectively smarter than the ARLC and NRL bosses. All those recent ideas re: PNG plans....but also other ideas about expansion and scheduling games in Perth and Adelaide in lieu of expansion there, etc etc.

Surely, they must see all this too themselves when they sit down and discuss the future?
The only reason nrl games are played in perth, Adelaide, Bathurst etc etc is because clubs get paid a big sum of money by the govt of the area to play them. it’s a,cash grab by clubs and has absolutely zero to do with any nrl plan or strategy.
 

The Great Dane

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Considering most of the nines teams where not starting the star players and it’s basically a pre season kick about that no one takes seriously Id say so. I know which one I’d rather go watch.
Okay, but the 9s World cup was a total non-starter commercially that had effectively no mainstream penetration. It's a product that appealed almost exclusively to the niche audience of hardcore RL fans, and it basically came and went without making any significant impact in the broader market.

On the other hand the NRL Nines has been reasonably successful and had a broader audience in past, and I'd be willing to bet that if you did a survey of average people on the street that a measurable portion of them would recognise it. You simply can't say the same of the 9s World Cup, and at least in Australia and New Zealand, that measure alone makes/made the NRL Nines more prestigious.
 
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The Great Dane

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cough cough

wanker ....
There's a great book on this subject called Code Wars - The Battle for Fans, Dollars and Survival by Dr Hunter Fujak.

It objectively takes an in depth look into all the football codes in Australia, their history, the conflict between them, and where they stand in the market at the moment, and is chock-full of data and information that is difficult to collect independently.

It's probably the best book I've ever read on the sporting culture and industry in Australia, and I highly suggest you give it a read. You won't be disappointed.
 
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The Great Dane

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Why? They are 9 million people pop strong, all they need is a Australian based city to live out of they can have their own identity that has nothing to do with the cowboys, currently there is nothing in it for them
A significant portion of that 9 million live under the poverty line, the vast majority of the rest of that still couldn't afford to invest a significant amount into the club on a regular basis. On top of that PNG's broadcasting and streaming rights aren't very valuable, and the operational costs of running a PNG NRL club would probably be the highest in the NRL whether or not they are based in PNG or Aus.

In an ideal world PNG would already have an NRL team but the unfortunate reality is that it simply won't be feasible until they figure out some of their societal issues, and trying to force an NRL side before they are truly ready would be a massive mistake that could end in catastrophe.
 
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There's a great book on this subject called Code Wars - The Battle for Fans, Dollars and Survival by Dr Hunter Fujak.

It objectively takes an in depth look into all the football codes in Australia, their history, the conflict between them, and where they stand in the market at the moment, and is chock-full of data an information that is difficult to collect independently.

It's probably the best book I've ever read on the sporting culture and industry in Australia, and I highly suggest you give it a read. You won't be disappointed.
hahaha

objective ??
Dr Fujak the author is a bubble dweller from the Deakin university in down town Melbourne.
He has an engrained view of afl supremacy.
So , yea nah
 

The Great Dane

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hahaha

objective ??
Dr Fujak the author is a bubble dweller from the Deakin university in down town Melbourne.
He has an engrained view of afl supremacy.
So , yea nah
He was born, raised, and educated in Sydney and what he has of a social media presence prior to the release of his book mainly talks about the NRL as any fan would. He doesn't push an agenda for any particular sport and what praise or criticism he does have of a sport is well reasoned and backed by data.

You are in no position to accuse others of being bubble dwellers when you seem totally incapable of producing one piece of hard evidence to support your views and outwardly refuse to engage with any piece of evidence presented to you that challenges your views. If Dr Fujak is so obviously wrong then it should be relatively easy for you to prove it by showing where his facts or reasoning are wrong instead of continuing with lame attempts to assassinate his character.
 
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xe_kilroy

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Fujak's conclusions are upsetting for non-AFL fans and administrators. But maybe it helps those codes take it more seriously to be better. RL certainly needs to fight better.
 

The Great Dane

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Fujak's conclusions are upsetting for non-AFL fans and administrators. But maybe it helps those codes take it more seriously to be better. RL certainly needs to fight better.
RL doesn't need to fight anything, it just needs to be better organised and administered and willing to make hard decisions even where they might hurt in the short term.

However I doubt the changes necessary to make RL capable of meeting it's full potential will ever happen because every time an attempt is made to take those steps they are almost instantly subverted by self-interested parties whom place themselves before the interests of game as a whole.
 

Perth Red

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Okay, but the 9s World cup was a total non-starter commercially that had effectively no mainstream penetration. It's a product that appealed almost exclusively to the niche audience of hardcore RL fans, and it basically came and went without making any significant impact in the broader market.

On the other hand the NRL Nines has been reasonably successful and had a broader audience in past, and I'd be willing to bet that if you did a survey of average people on the street that a measurable portion of them would recognise it. You simply can't say the same of the 9s World Cup, and at least in Australia and New Zealand, that measure alone makes/made the NRL Nines more prestigious.
well nrl nines has been around longer and played more so I’d expect the level of awareness to be a bit better, but both tournaments aren’t exactly well marketed or hold much credibility! I’d still rather see countries playing than second grade nrl teams though.
Point stands that the Perth crowd wasn’t as terrible as everyone likes to make out when you compare to the Sydney crowd and factor in the sht scheduling. Hold it Saturday and Sunday instead of kicking off at 4pm on a Friday, that was valentines night, and you’d have seen 30k plus easily.
 

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