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18th club, whose next?

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It’s partly to do with that, there would probably (don’t know the figures but fairly safe to assume) be a higher case of addiction within crystal meth users and other hard drugs than with gambling.

You’re right in arguing that it is hypocritical for him to argue against gambling but more importantly where do you draw the line. Do we not have bank sponsorship (cough Royal commission cough)? What would fast food considering how obese we are as a nation?

If cigarette companies cannot sponsor or sell their products at sporting events then an argument can be made for placing the same restrictions on alcoholic beverages.

Banning cigarettes and alcohol would cause more harm than good. Schizophrenics rely on cigarettes and alcohol to calm their nerves. The tax from smokes and grog helps prop up the welfare system.

Processed food is probably the biggest problem in society.
 
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If cigarette companies cannot sponsor or sell their products at sporting events then an argument can be made for placing the same restrictions on alcoholic beverages.

Banning cigarettes and alcohol would cause more harm than good. Schizophrenics rely on cigarettes and alcohol to calm their nerves. The tax from smokes and grog helps prop up the welfare system.

Processed food is probably the biggest problem in society.
6 out of every 4 Schizophrenics agree with this
 

Centy Coast

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True but my initial point was if it was to be the Perth bears then how long before we start hearing the calls for to relocate the struggling Perth bears to the central coast/NSO?
Some old delusional Bears fans may say that but if they are entering the NRL as a Perth based team then that is where they need to stay.
 

Perth Red

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Why would the controlling entity agree to such onerous demands?

It would seriously limit there future options.

For mine, the Bears don't offer enough to make this constraint worthy of agreement.
Because it would need to be in place in order for NSFC to hand over the brand I'd suggest. Ho would it limit options?
I dont disagree, I still prefer a new brand (or Pirates or Reds) for perth to call its own, but if needs must....
 

Perth Red

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Do you know the consequences of crystal meth amphetamine addiction?

It leads to brain damage, loss of teeth, strokes, heart attacks, paranoia and death. Persons who are addicted to this substance end up causing more domestic violence than problem gamblers.

The fact you're fine with Peter Cumins exploiting people with this addiction, but hate rugby league clubs in Queensland and NSW for making money from problem gamblers, proves you're just a biased whinger who has the shits because a Perth-based team won't have access to this revenue stream.
haha, reel 'em in.
Hows the addiction going by the way? Isnt that the pastime of choice in Logan? You tell us you cant leave the house because of dogs but I think we all know what thats a euphemism for :)
 

Perth Red

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The Sydney media will push for a relocation to Gosford. They know it will sell articles.



The "Perth Reds" brand could help the club generate attention from the Queensland media. It would set up a cross code rivalry with the Queensland Reds. It would be good to the Perth Reds reclaim the name.
lol, heard it all now. Maybe Brisbane easts should become Reds then :)
 

Iamback

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As for PNG, they don’t want to partner with anybody, why would they ?, they are guaranteed with Govt backing $$$ after all to enter the promised land of the NRL as team 18, or are they ?.

We will see soon enough, I'd think if push came to shove and PNG had to be involved with Bears or no licence... they'd go with the Bears.

Wanting to go alone and being able to are completely different
 
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How many of the fans from last year were turning up to dolphin stadium to watch Redcliffe prior? Be realist, Dolphins would equally struggle for crowds and sponsors if sat at bottom of ladder for years. No one likes a loser. But hey you might be right, it might purely be a Perth phenomena lol
You're saying most of the Dolphins' fans weren't supporting Redcliffe before 2023?

So much for the theory that Brisbane 2 needed to be "neutral" in order to generate a fanbase!
 

Perth Red

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You're saying most of the Dolphins' fans weren't supporting Redcliffe before 2023?

So much for the theory that Brisbane 2 needed to be "neutral" in order to generate a fanbase!
Yep that is exactly what I'm saying. They arent rusted on Redcliffe fans and would soon drop the club if it was shthouse for a few years.

I never said that. i said a neutral brand was more likely to attract more neutral fans from right across Brisbane. Something I seem to have been proved right by your insistence that Brisbane needs a club south of river as no one from there wants to support the Dolphins.
 
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Yep that is exactly what I'm saying. They arent rusted on Redcliffe fans and would soon drop the club if it was shthouse for a few years.

I never said that.

I recall you and the other pricks mocking me when I said a traditional BRL club would generate a strong following.

i said a neutral brand was more likely to attract more neutral fans from right across Brisbane. Something I seem to have been proved right by your insistence that Brisbane needs a club south of river as no one from there wants to support the Dolphins.

Now you're making up things that were never said.

I said Brisbane should have four clubs when I joined the board in May 2020. You argued Brisbane can only support 2 clubs. Ch9 and RL heavyweights, such as Phil Gould and Paul Gallen, believe Brisbane should have a third team.

I've thoroughly enjoyed watching the Dolphins, Jets and Tigers prove you and the other pricks wrong.
 

Perth Red

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I recall you and the other pricks mocking me when I said a traditional BRL club would generate a strong following.



Now you're making up things that were never said.

I said Brisbane should have four clubs when I joined the board in May 2020. You argued Brisbane can only support 2 clubs. Ch9 and RL heavyweights, such as Phil Gould and Paul Gallen, believe Brisbane should have a third team.

I've thoroughly enjoyed watching the Dolphins, Jets and Tigers prove you and the other pricks wrong.
so abusive lol You'd have to really really screw Brisabne2 up for it to have not had a strong following in Yr1! Again its not could Redcliffe get a following, it was would the whole city that arent Broncos fans get behind Redcliffe and that Brisbane2 should be playing 12 home games at Suncorp, you know as a genuine Brisbane club. The fact you and others it would seem wont follow the Dolphins suggests those fears have been proven correct and you're already talking about the need to spend another license to fill the gap Dolphins have left.

Again you seem to have a selective memory! I never said Brisbane couldnt support 3 or even 4 clubs. I said we shouldnt be using more licenses on a city that already has two clubs and another a stones throw away whilst we have other untapped areas without any clubs.

well if Paul Gallen says lol
 

MugaB

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so abusive lol You'd have to really really screw Brisabne2 up for it to have not had a strong following in Yr1! Again its not could Redcliffe get a following, it was would the whole city that arent Broncos fans get behind Redcliffe and that Brisbane2 should be playing 12 home games at Suncorp, you know as a genuine Brisbane club. The fact you and others it would seem wont follow the Dolphins suggests those fears have been proven correct and you're already talking about the need to spend another license to fill the gap Dolphins have left.

Again you seem to have a selective memory! I never said Brisbane couldnt support 3 or even 4 clubs. I said we shouldnt be using more licenses on a city that already has two clubs and another a stones throw away whilst we have other untapped areas without any clubs.

well if Paul Gallen says lol
Mate... its not just redcliffe faithful, and only non bronx supporters, and new fans of the game, and fans of the shinny new team and mascot,
Its all of the above, randomly, you cant just say theres no redcliffe fans, and its all existing haters of the bronx, there's no special calculator or percentage, its just random perception
 

The Great Dane

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He literally just said it wasn’t about prohibition or banning things and then you have talked about prohibition and banning things. Also there are similar restrictions in the US, for example in 35 states you can’t smoke indoors which is a pretty big restriction on use.

Some regulation of use or access is actually beneficial - for example drink and drug driving laws, age limits on alcohol and smoke - because freedom from something is just as important as freedom to do something. It’s finding what the balance is. Btw I don’t agree with total bans because as you say they don’t generally work but restriction or regulation of use is a completely different manner.
Yawn.

I've had this discussion with him multiple times. He always leads with (e.g.) "I just want controls on gambling advertising", but before you know it he's talking about pokies being a blight, "restricting" apps, limiting spends, etc, etc, and the further you go on the more his restrictions start to effectively look like bans.

BTW, try and spin it how you like, but outside of a handful of the states nothing even close to the restrictions on tobacco that exist here and in other similar countries exist in the US. The rate of taxation, where, when, how, and the amount that can be sold, plain packaging laws, etc, etc, not to mention proposed laws in NZ and the UK that would have effectively banned it (noticing the slippery slope yet...), none of that is standard practice in the US, yet they've seen a similar reduction in usage pretty much nationally.
Similar is true of many nations alcohol laws compared to ours, and on average (there are exceptions admittedly) they don't have even close to the alcohol related issues that we do, or those issues present extremely differently. . . It's almost like cultural impacts are more effective than decree.
No he wasn’t. He was being hypocritical by arguing that gambling is destructive from a social viewpoint and thus immoral but at the same time arguing that prostitution isn’t immoral. I suggested that if you are going to be moral about it then any vice would be immoral by his own standards.

Whilst I agree with you in terms of freedom of speech and the contiguous nazi paraphernalia (obviously like to point out that I don’t agree with Nazism but you know beat their argument rather than ban it etc) be careful with the whole social degradation angle. Australian history is littered with examples of much greater restrictions or interdictions than Nazi paraphernalia. F*** we have banned whole races or people from entering the country or from voting remember? So don’t get too misty eyed.
This sort of argumentation is tiresome and stupid.

It's possible to believe that some cultural changes have gone too far, or even that change is necessary but the changes made have had unnecessary negative impacts or have been ineffectual, without the need to argue that everything was better in a certain past era or make some other similar argument from tradition.

Take gun laws for example; I don't believe that the relative free for all that existed before the NFA and buy back schemes in 96 was sustainable or sensible, but at the same time you've lost the f**king plot when your firearm laws literarily ban and restrict a bunch of toys that aren't even firearms.

In fact I'd argue that the fact that we're moving back towards certain ideas that were abandoned in the past, and for very good reason, is pretty solid evidence of social decay and a regression of sorts. I mean do you really wanna talk about racial discrimination, what is and isn't socially acceptable these days as opposed to a century ago, and how that's changed in recent times... I don't see an Pan-Europa or Anglo-Celtic All Stars team on the card for Friday night for example. Thank god for small blessings I guess!

BTW, it's pretty hard to argue that e.g. prohibition and the war on drugs didn't/hasn't lead to significant social decay where they've been implemented, and that similar schemes and movements, even those that aren't anywhere near as strict (see the black market for all sorts restricted substances and activities and their impact, religious and cultural restrictions on certain behaviour, etc). Immediate explosions in organised crime and violence in the streets, incarceration through the roof, broken families all over the joint, I could go on, but I'm sure you get the point.
 
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The Great Dane

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Mate... its not just redcliffe faithful, and only non bronx supporters, and new fans of the game, and fans of the shinny new team and mascot,
Its all of the above, randomly, you cant just say theres no redcliffe fans, and its all existing haters of the bronx, there's no special calculator or percentage, its just random perception
The amount of fans that the Dolphins genuinely introduced to the sport would be miniscule.

Obviously it's anecdotal, but pretty much everything I've seen of Dolphins fans suggests that most of them were people who were already fans of the sport that were either not actively engaged with the NRL for whatever reasons, or fans of other teams who have picked them up as their 'second team'.

That's opposed to the Storm for example, some members of whose fanbase can still be laughably ignorant of the sport to this day on occasion lol.
 
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