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1st Test: Australia v India @ Optus Stadium, PERTH Nov 22-26, 2024

Bazal

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I mean it's an insane days play but I'm not sure that makes it less embarrassing
 

Fangs

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Carey still in. That's the positive.

We need to take the initiative tomorrow and score quickly.
 
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Have to question why Cummins bowl himself the most overs when he was getting tonked, when Starc and Hazlewood were clearly all over them.

I don't buy this Kookaburra seam being the entire difference. Yes, Bumrah and co. have bowled brilliantly. Techniques are shot though. Players aren't getting their heads behind the ball. Footwork is minimal and atrocious.
 

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What's the solution to the batting crisis.

I don't think there is one right now.

There is no way I am throwing Sam Konstas in against Bumrah and burning him at 19.

I would save him for the popgun attack England bring out next year.

Josh Inglis may have to play as a batsman at some stage during the series if things dont improve.

Other then that the cupboard is well, truly bare.

Matt Renshsw got a 100 in his last shield game but in awful form beforehand.

Pete Handscomb is averaging 53 and likely to tour Sri Lanka in February but going back there is basically like going back to Harris and Bancroft with the only difference is Handscomb averages 37 at Test cricket and scored 2 x test hundreds with a technique exposed by fast bowling.

I don't know but George Bailey would be waking up with a massive headache right now
 

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What's the solution to the batting crisis.

I don't think there is one right now.

There is no way I am throwing Sam Konstas in against Bumrah and burning him at 19.

I would save him for the popgun attack England bring out next year.

Josh Inglis may have to play as a batsman at some stage during the series if things dont improve.

Other then that the cupboard is well, truly bare.

Matt Renshsw got a 100 in his last shield game but in awful form beforehand.

Pete Handscomb is averaging 53 and likely to tour Sri Lanka in February but going back there is basically like going back to Harris and Bancroft with the only difference is Handscomb averages 37 at Test cricket and scored 2 x test hundreds with a technique exposed by fast bowling.

I don't know but George Bailey would be waking up with a massive headache right now
Firstly I would be putting Mike Di Venuto under the microscope. The biggest problem in our batting is that Smith and Labuschagne have gone to pot. At this level coaches don't actually have to coach players but it's Di Venuto's job to point out what made these 2 successful and steer them back to that.

Both Smith and Labuschagne seem to be in their own world and just batting for their own benefit and not the team.

Labuschagne innings was absolutely woeful and in any other time he would be dropped for it. He faced 52 balls and looked like getting out for almost every ball he faced. This wasn't a gritty trying to survive in a tough situation innings, it was a guy who just looked like he wasn't up to the task.
I think Labuschagne believes the hype about him being a great player. The reality is that he is a player who had a great start to his career with a lot of luck and now he's gone back to the pack where he belongs. His average is under 50 now and he's 30.

We're carrying two guys who are very hit and miss in Head and Marsh. When they come off it's spectacular, when it doesn't We're quickly into the tail. Head comes off a lot more than Marsh and alongside Khawaja is our best player atm. Marsh is a myth, always has been and always will be. Everything he does is amplified into greatness by the media and team set up.

Di Venuto needs scrutiny because we don't bat as a unit, just six guys in their own world doing their own thing.
 

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I think some of you guys are a bit harsh on our batsmen, that is some of the best fast bowling I have seen in a while and the pitch was definitely doing more in the last session.

The ball that Smudge got was well directed given how he walks across his stumps but you cant do much about that seam movement, that would have got most batsmen out on the forward defence.

The Fox commentators said that the morning session would be the easiest time to bat, which is generally not the case. It gets easier as the pitch dries out, but they were right; it did a lot more in the last session.

I wouldn't go into panic mode just yet, it was only the first day of summer and I doubt we'll bat on a pitch like that again for some time.
 

Bazal

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I think calling it a batting crisis is a bit melodramatic right?

I do think there needs to be more effort to bring players through. We always talk about A Tours and such. The Shield is dead and I doubt the wanna fix it but that would also help. Ultimately though there should be more in place between FC and Test cricket to help players like McSweeney, Webster, even Konstas take the next step. We've had bats in form, but they dead end in a useless excuse for a FC comp at the moment
 

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I think some of you guys are a bit harsh on our batsmen, that is some of the best fast bowling I have seen in a while and the pitch was definitely doing more in the last session.

The ball that Smudge got was well directed given how he walks across his stumps but you cant do much about that seam movement, that would have got most batsmen out on the forward defence.

The Fox commentators said that the morning session would be the easiest time to bat, which is generally not the case. It gets easier as the pitch dries out, but they were right; it did a lot more in the last session.

I wouldn't go into panic mode just yet, it was only the first day of summer and I doubt we'll bat on a pitch like that again for some time.
Bit of both? Regressing to the mean for Labs, Smith never used to miss balls on his pads in front, Marsh and Head are high risk and one opener was debuting…

But Bumrah is electric, as good as anyone I’ve ever seen. Worth remembering they’re missing Shami too
 
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Matt Renshsw got a 100 in his last shield game but in awful form beforehand.
Henry Hunt in same boat. Has a superior technique to Renners and half our current Test bats. Another bloke with a pure technique is the forgotten Tim Ward. Both these guys were in the Test frame a couple of years ago but were not given a crack. Both now a more mature 27/28.
 
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I also think we’re seeing the T20/Bazball invasion of test cricket affect wicket preparation. 17 wickets on day one is rarely good test cricket.
 

Bazal

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Christ. Marnus micd up is not what anyone wants.

Except maybe the producers of Ritalin
 
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