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2 big clubs in the sh*t

WJ

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2 big clubs could be in deep trouble with regards the salary cap in the future. The inland revenue and other countries tax companies are investigating the offshore tax avoidance system.

The 2 clubs use this to pay their overseas players. We are talking fines and p*ssed off players, could take a year or 2 to sort out though.

I'll leave if you to decide who these 2 clubs are, it's pretty obvious though.
 

Fairleigh Good!

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Wigan and Warrington?:D

Seriously though it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Saints were stung over this. There is always some ridiculous off the field implosion to spoil the excellent work done by the playing staff.

BUT, I wouldn't say this would be too bad. It might mean Sculthorpe leaving, but he is perfectly coverable. In fact Saints best side is probably one without Sculthorpe in the 17. We really don't need him.
 

Lowey3

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What a vegetarian fart looking for attention.

He's post has already been deleted on RLFANS... lock it and do us a favour leagueunlimited - ban this fool.
 

bartman

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No need to lock or delete this thread here - no specific accusation has been levelled against any particular club.

Though I am interested in how this might be an issue for the salary cap? Are we talking clubs that are paying players through (overseas) third parties, and thus trying to hide the true amount they pay their roster from the league? If so, it wouldn't matter whether it was overseas or not, it's the same issue of avoidance.

I can't see how the tax offices would be the main point of investigation either. I'm not aware that any country has given permission for investigation of sport players personal bank accounts, transactions or tax submissions....
 

terracesider

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IR, you've probably missed 6 or 7 clubs. It nothing to get excited about. With the punitive personal taxation levels in the UK, the practice is so widespread across so many business sectors that's it's probably standard. Such payments are not necessarily illegal.

From to time to time, the Inland Revenue makes a noise, the foreign regulatory authorities tell them to go away and the story fizzles out, until next time.

As for any possible salary cap penalties, the club chairmen dominate the RFL so don't expect anything more than a token few points and a suspended fine.
 

nadera78

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What happens, roughly, is as follows.

Club signs overseas player. Normally he'd be on 40grand, but pay 40% tax here in the UK, but get the tax back when he leaves and then pay it again when back home (depending on international taxation agreements).

Instead the club pays him a minimal amount while in the Uk and the rest is paid into an account overseas (tax heaven obviously) and when he leaves UK for the final time he transfers the money to his account at home. He stops off in, say, Singapore and checks the transfer has gone through. He then completes his journey home. When he gets there he pays no tax on the income as he has technically already paid (albeit in a tax haven).

It's good for the player because he pays less tax and keeps more money. It's good for the club because they pay a little bit less for a player than they would normally, and also it means there is more room in the salary cap to spend on other players.

It's very common in sport and most areas of big business. That's why so many Russian billionaires are based in London. They pay themselves a small wage for work done in the UK and pay little tax on it, and then pay themselves in an offshore account for other work done internationally.

The loser is of course the taxman. Or to put it another way, everyone else who pays all their taxes and expects others to do the same as part of a social contract. But there you go.
 

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