2002 Premiership counts for nothing- So Roosters have won...

[thuganomics]

Sure why not

 

[gregstar]

Lets just settle for the fact that the Panthers winning was the best grand final of the last three years and be done with it, eh

 

[Generalissimo Stalin]

and you support?? you need skinning

This coming from you Puuuulllllllleeeeeeaaaasssseeee!!!!!!!!!!!

:roll:

 

[DJ1]

That statement would be true if all teams were audited to 3rd party payments.

Only one team was.

Are you saying only the Bulldogs were audited? I find that very hard to believe.
I will agree thou that the auditors need looking at thou as they gave the dogs a clean bill of health and it was only because a journo received info that they got caught.

Yes! One team opened all their books to the salary cap auditor to include full disclosure of all 3rd party arrangements.

14 clubs did not and were given the same green light that the Bulldogs had already received prior to the media revelations.

I am not suggesting that the other 14 teams had similar arrangements, only that the NRL refused to look despite assertions from one club chairman (Piggins) that many clubs had similar arrangements and later revelations that the Roosters had only attributed $150K of Craig Wing's $300K per year contract to the salary cap auditor for seasons 2001 and 2002.

Whilst the Dogs were found to be over the cap by $400K in 2002 (12%),

the salary cap was then effectively raised to $3.55M for 2003. Plus, clubs can now spend an unlimited amount outside the secondary tier players.

wrong the Roosters disclosed the full value of the wing contract and in any case souths players were on nominal contract values so i cannot see how the roosters could be fined for any wrong doing -

They didn't disclose! The NRL said they didn't. The NRL fined them $300K for both breaches. The Roosters paid the fine.

piggins at no stage mentioned the Roosters as being suspects and i am sure if he did have something he would have said it for sure and certain.

Piggins was screaming from the rooftops at the time for the NRL to audit all clubs to 3rd party level. The NRL declined.

The additional payments the dogs players were receiving were not recorded anywhere that they could be seen by an auditor - the money went through a middle company direct into the players bank accounts.

....and today the salary cap auditor still has no access to full player payment records, 3rd party companies or player/club negotiation processes.

there is a limit clubs can spend on their premier league and jersey fleggs teams plus a limit to the value of second tier contracts as after all you could sign up x number of players for big money as premier league players but use them in forst grade to get around the cap.

The limit for non NRL players outside your top 25 was removed. A club can now spend an unlimited amount to poach the best Jersey Flegg team in the land. They can also stack their premier league with representative players if they can ensure that they will not play in the top grade.

In a nutshell, the latest change which the NRL partnership committee (which obviously represents all clubs equally lol) approved, allows a huge advantage for a club which is not encumbered by an expensive junior infrastructure.

e.g. Knights and Roosters both spend $1M on juniors. The Knights develop a local league and spend their $1M on the entire local infrastructure (good and poor players). The Roosters simply spend $1M on their Jersey Flegg by poaching the best players from all other comps.

another way to get around the cap is for club sponsors to "employ" players as trainees through specifically created training and development units and the club pays these sponsors say x amount a year for this education and training which of course leads to a recognised qualification they can use for careers after football with the club then paying the rest of their contract money. i.e player x on 300k - club sponsors employs them as a trainee - club pays 100k for this education and training - sponsors then pays player this in wages with the club paying the remaining 200k - the contract under the cap would only be worth 200k not 300k

There are obviously many loophole systems in place which have allowed your team to fit 15 rep players under the salary cap.

....and your club still whinges.

 

[Generalissimo Stalin]

the Roosters have a small junior base and anyone who say's about all those schools in this area forget that students at these schools come from all parts of sydney to attend them.

poaching players is what all teams do and just because some one is good at junior level does not mean they will become a first grade player.

many yound players have starred in junior teams but found the transition to senior football too hard to cope with.

a lot of time and money is needed to develop a player to first grade standard.

there is a big risk in signing young players as one never knows how they will turn out and what outside influences may distract them from their football and development as a footballer.

you need the right people in your organisation to develop these young players into first grade footballers.

The Roosters recruitment and player development is one of the best if not the best in the comp as they have the right people in these positions such as Arthur Beetson for an example

 

[DJ1]

The Roosters junior development process is why the NRL needs to put in place a junior development compensation scheme.

i.e. If the Roosters buy a Panthers junior, they need to pay $25K to the Panthers Junior development fund. If they buy a Knights junior then they need to pay $25K to the Knights development fund. If someone manages to find a Rooster junior somewhere, anywhere and buys them, the pay $25K to the Rooster development fund.