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2022 Origin II - Sun 26 Jun - NSW 44-12 QLD @ Optus

Series: NSW v QLD

  • New South Wales

    Votes: 19 50.0%
  • Queensland

    Votes: 18 47.4%
  • Draw after Golden Point

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Total voters
    38
  • Poll closed .

SBD82

Coach
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15,751
Game 2, 2020 - Payne Haas

Recent sin binned players in origin:
2022 Kafusi (game 2)
2021 none
2020 Kafusi (game 1) Haas (game 2) Tino (game 2) Allen (game 3)
2019 Mitchell (game 1)
2018 Roberts (game 2) Maloney (game 3)
2017 none
2016 Fifita (game 3) Cronk (game 3)

total over 20 games NSW 5 Qld 5
The memory is a bit fuzzy. But weren’t some of those QLD ones in the 79th minute for cynical play slowing down the last Blues attacking set?
 

soc123_au

Moderator
Staff member
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Cam Munster is talked up like he's some sort of f**king Wallie Lewis beast in Origin. But the stats just don't back that up at all.

He has played part in 4 full Origin series and has only won one of them. Cleary played part in those same 4 series and won 3 of them.

This will be Munsters 5th full series (if he's able to play Game 3) and could very well lose it putting him at a 20% series win rate for full series. Or he could win and be sitting on a whopping 40% with 2 series wins from 5 series. I mean he can be absolutely great at times, but he has gone missing so many times aswell and yet he has somehow been branded as a big game player.
He is the QLD version of Gallen, only with a preference for recreational supplements as opposed to performance enhancing.
 

Frailty

First Grade
Messages
9,009
You’re a bit dumb eh

Because I thought he was OK? Hell, he performed a lot better than I expected.
But he wasn't this massive impact with the ball and he wasn't this defensive master that saved NSW.

Sorry that I don't attribute NSW better performance being down to Jake Trbojevic.
 

Seage

Juniors
Messages
983
I agree, if any team is conceding that many penalties in such a short time, someone should go to the bin, my issue is that these weren't penalties in Game 1, it was ref'd differently and I can't help but think that Fittler's little spiel in the presser after the first game is the reason why
I don't get your logic. Your premise is that Queensland played exactly the same way in both games, just the refereeing was different. So are you happy you got away with cheating in the first game, or annoyed you weren't allowed to cheat in the second game? You just want cheating the rules to be ok. But you'd probably be annoyed if NSW did it?
 

Reflector

Juniors
Messages
1,702
I do enjoy that NSW fans (and the media) are already congratulating themselves on the series win.

Game 3 will be different beast. (as it always is in Origin)
I must have imagined the comments I saw on FB after Game 1 about how Billy/ JT/ Cam were going to torment NSW for another 15 years in the coaching role and the Blues would be lucky to win a series for the next decade...
 

Stinkfinger

Juniors
Messages
228
Cam Munster is talked up like he's some sort of f**king Wallie Lewis beast in Origin. But the stats just don't back that up at all.

He has played part in 4 full Origin series and has only won one of them. Cleary played part in those same 4 series and won 3 of them.

This will be Munsters 5th full series (if he's able to play Game 3) and could very well lose it putting him at a 20% series win rate for full series. Or he could win and be sitting on a whopping 40% with 2 series wins from 5 series. I mean he can be absolutely great at times, but he has gone missing so many times aswell and yet he has somehow been branded as a big game player.
Like every other playmaker in the game, requires his forwards to at least break even, and requires a reasonable supply of possession. Neither happened last night.
 

JamesRustle

Bench
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4,621
Game 2, 2020 - Payne Haas

Recent sin binned players in origin:
2022 Kafusi (game 2)
2021 none
2020 Kafusi (game 1) Haas (game 2) Tino (game 2) Allen (game 3)
2019 Mitchell (game 1)
2018 Roberts (game 2) Maloney (game 3)
2017 none
2016 Fifita (game 3) Cronk (game 3)

total over 20 games NSW 5 Qld 5
Kafusi - only repeat offender.
 

Reflector

Juniors
Messages
1,702
Reading the courier mail, are we?
THEY THINK IT'S OVER

Last night was not the proudest for our heroes in Maroon, but Queenslanders everywhere were left to ponder what could've been after an unbelievable sin-binning of enforcer Felise Kaufusi late in the first half. After a spirited win in Game 1 that's long been synonymous with Queensland teams, a combination of bad luck and questionable penalties saw the Maroons eventually succumb 44-12 to a NSW Blues side who evidently treated levelling the series like they'd already won the shield.

"The sin binning changed everything" said Darren Lockyer, just before defying gravity to lean off the roof the mighty Optus Stadium structure after losing a bet with public enemy #1 Paul Gallen before the game.

There can be no doubt that NSW coach Brad Fittler's clandestine meetings with the officials leading into Game 2 had a huge sway on the events of last night. Gone was the tight, even contest where it's understood that there's a difference between an Origin tackle and an NRL tackle. In bygone eras, nobody would think twice about Kaufusi's late efforts helping to defend the try line with his Maroon brothers in arms. However, State of Origin football in 2022 is a different beast, and the prevailing sentiment from the Qld dressing room and the Maroons faithful who packed out Perth was that this wasn't Origin as we're used to.

Coach Billy Slater has many big decisions to make leading into the July 13 decider- will Kalyn Ponga (HIA) be cleared to play? How will Josh Papalii be utilised? Surely a formal meeting with NRL match officials to understand the intended rule interpretations is a must, before it is corrupted beyond recognition by those south of the border who have conspired since 1980 to take away from us what is the rightful domain of every Queenslander born and bred.

And if Slater and his team needed any further motivation, they only needed to observe the arrogant manner in which NSW celebrated at full-time and could barely without their joy at winning a tainted contest and acting as if they had just won the series. Such behaviour has never been observed from our humble Maroon champions who (after 8 straight series wins) had more reason than anybody to display such arrogance and disrespect to their opponents.

But that is what makes us different up here, and NSW are going to experience an atmosphere like no other come the decider at the spiritual home of Origin on July 13.

Game on, cockroaches.

COMMENTS

Typical NSW grubs can't win fair so Freddy has to go and sook to the refs. They'll never understand Origin like we do!

- Bazza, Gympie

How much did NSW pay the refs? Seriously, Origin has become a joke. If NSW win the series then it's clearly rigged and I will be turning my back on Origin, having followed it passionately since day 1.

- Mal, South Brisbane

How quickly those cocky Bluesers forget we won 8 in a row. NSW can win the battle like they did last night, but Qld will always win the war. Never forget that.

- Broncofan, Brisbane.

If the game was fair dinkum last night then we should be celebrating our Queensland heroes winning yet another Origin shield instead of the absolute DISGRACE that was dished up last night. Even more shameful is the one-sided commentary from the NSW panel who can barely contain themselves whenever Nathan Cleary gets within a postcode of the football. Fact is, big chin isn't fit to lace the boots of any of our Maroon legends past or present. He wouldn't even make the bench in any of those teams that won 8 in a row!

- XXXX lover, Gordonvale

Same thing happens every time NSW have a sook after they lose. They lose Game 1 and rather than take it on the chin, they have to go whinge about the refs. It's why they don't get Origin. They look for the scapegoats to blame and cut players at the drop of a hat, rather that showing faith in who they've got and picking and sticking. It's why we won 8 in a row. We roll our sleeves up when the going gets tough and show that Qld spirit because (unlike NSW) we've got a beautiful state to be proud of. There's two types of people in the world- Queenslanders and those who wish they could be us! That's why they've made it so hard for us ever since that first Game in 1980 because it burns them to see us so successful and show something alien to that lot down south- ticker. Passion. Courage. So long as we get rid of Gagai and DCE for Game 3 (both hacks and past their use-by-date) and tell Ponga to aim up or he's gone, then we're right in this for Game 3. QUEENSLANDER!

- Lynne from Deception Bay

It wouldn't be Origin without NSW being arrogant and complaining the moment something doesn't go their way. Qld rightfully should've won last night and if it wasn't for the criminal sending off of Kaufusi, we would've won easily and Cleary would've faded back into obscurity like he deserves to. Can't wait to wipe the smirk off those smug faces in the decider!

- Kevin, Boonah
 

soc123_au

Moderator
Staff member
Messages
15,835
THEY THINK IT'S OVER

Last night was not the proudest for our heroes in Maroon, but Queenslanders everywhere were left to ponder what could've been after an unbelievable sin-binning of enforcer Felise Kaufusi late in the first half. After a spirited win in Game 1 that's long been synonymous with Queensland teams, a combination of bad luck and questionable penalties saw the Maroons eventually succumb 44-12 to a NSW Blues side who evidently treated levelling the series like they'd already won the shield.

"The sin binning changed everything" said Darren Lockyer, just before defying gravity to lean off the roof the mighty Optus Stadium structure after losing a bet with public enemy #1 Paul Gallen before the game.

There can be no doubt that NSW coach Brad Fittler's clandestine meetings with the officials leading into Game 2 had a huge sway on the events of last night. Gone was the tight, even contest where it's understood that there's a difference between an Origin tackle and an NRL tackle. In bygone eras, nobody would think twice about Kaufusi's late efforts helping to defend the try line with his Maroon brothers in arms. However, State of Origin football in 2022 is a different beast, and the prevailing sentiment from the Qld dressing room and the Maroons faithful who packed out Perth was that this wasn't Origin as we're used to.

Coach Billy Slater has many big decisions to make leading into the July 13 decider- will Kalyn Ponga (HIA) be cleared to play? How will Josh Papalii be utilised? Surely a formal meeting with NRL match officials to understand the intended rule interpretations is a must, before it is corrupted beyond recognition by those south of the border who have conspired since 1980 to take away from us what is the rightful domain of every Queenslander born and bred.

And if Slater and his team needed any further motivation, they only needed to observe the arrogant manner in which NSW celebrated at full-time and could barely without their joy at winning a tainted contest and acting as if they had just won the series. Such behaviour has never been observed from our humble Maroon champions who (after 8 straight series wins) had more reason than anybody to display such arrogance and disrespect to their opponents.

But that is what makes us different up here, and NSW are going to experience an atmosphere like no other come the decider at the spiritual home of Origin on July 13.

Game on, cockroaches.

COMMENTS

Typical NSW grubs can't win fair so Freddy has to go and sook to the refs. They'll never understand Origin like we do!

- Bazza, Gympie

How much did NSW pay the refs? Seriously, Origin has become a joke. If NSW win the series then it's clearly rigged and I will be turning my back on Origin, having followed it passionately since day 1.

- Mal, South Brisbane

How quickly those cocky Bluesers forget we won 8 in a row. NSW can win the battle like they did last night, but Qld will always win the war. Never forget that.

- Broncofan, Brisbane.

If the game was fair dinkum last night then we should be celebrating our Queensland heroes winning yet another Origin shield instead of the absolute DISGRACE that was dished up last night. Even more shameful is the one-sided commentary from the NSW panel who can barely contain themselves whenever Nathan Cleary gets within a postcode of the football. Fact is, big chin isn't fit to lace the boots of any of our Maroon legends past or present. He wouldn't even make the bench in any of those teams that won 8 in a row!

- XXXX lover, Gordonvale

Same thing happens every time NSW have a sook after they lose. They lose Game 1 and rather than take it on the chin, they have to go whinge about the refs. It's why they don't get Origin. They look for the scapegoats to blame and cut players at the drop of a hat, rather that showing faith in who they've got and picking and sticking. It's why we won 8 in a row. We roll our sleeves up when the going gets tough and show that Qld spirit because (unlike NSW) we've got a beautiful state to be proud of. There's two types of people in the world- Queenslanders and those who wish they could be us! That's why they've made it so hard for us ever since that first Game in 1980 because it burns them to see us so successful and show something alien to that lot down south- ticker. Passion. Courage. So long as we get rid of Gagai and DCE for Game 3 (both hacks and past their use-by-date) and tell Ponga to aim up or he's gone, then we're right in this for Game 3. QUEENSLANDER!

- Lynne from Deception Bay

It wouldn't be Origin without NSW being arrogant and complaining the moment something doesn't go their way. Qld rightfully should've won last night and if it wasn't for the criminal sending off of Kaufusi, we would've won easily and Cleary would've faded back into obscurity like he deserves to. Can't wait to wipe the smirk off those smug faces in the decider!

- Kevin, Boonah
2016.08.19-05.10-tellmenow-57b73d948a297-1280x720.jpg
 

Hutty1986

Immortal
Messages
33,143
THEY THINK IT'S OVER

Last night was not the proudest for our heroes in Maroon, but Queenslanders everywhere were left to ponder what could've been after an unbelievable sin-binning of enforcer Felise Kaufusi late in the first half. After a spirited win in Game 1 that's long been synonymous with Queensland teams, a combination of bad luck and questionable penalties saw the Maroons eventually succumb 44-12 to a NSW Blues side who evidently treated levelling the series like they'd already won the shield.

"The sin binning changed everything" said Darren Lockyer, just before defying gravity to lean off the roof the mighty Optus Stadium structure after losing a bet with public enemy #1 Paul Gallen before the game.

There can be no doubt that NSW coach Brad Fittler's clandestine meetings with the officials leading into Game 2 had a huge sway on the events of last night. Gone was the tight, even contest where it's understood that there's a difference between an Origin tackle and an NRL tackle. In bygone eras, nobody would think twice about Kaufusi's late efforts helping to defend the try line with his Maroon brothers in arms. However, State of Origin football in 2022 is a different beast, and the prevailing sentiment from the Qld dressing room and the Maroons faithful who packed out Perth was that this wasn't Origin as we're used to.

Coach Billy Slater has many big decisions to make leading into the July 13 decider- will Kalyn Ponga (HIA) be cleared to play? How will Josh Papalii be utilised? Surely a formal meeting with NRL match officials to understand the intended rule interpretations is a must, before it is corrupted beyond recognition by those south of the border who have conspired since 1980 to take away from us what is the rightful domain of every Queenslander born and bred.

And if Slater and his team needed any further motivation, they only needed to observe the arrogant manner in which NSW celebrated at full-time and could barely without their joy at winning a tainted contest and acting as if they had just won the series. Such behaviour has never been observed from our humble Maroon champions who (after 8 straight series wins) had more reason than anybody to display such arrogance and disrespect to their opponents.

But that is what makes us different up here, and NSW are going to experience an atmosphere like no other come the decider at the spiritual home of Origin on July 13.

Game on, cockroaches.

COMMENTS

Typical NSW grubs can't win fair so Freddy has to go and sook to the refs. They'll never understand Origin like we do!

- Bazza, Gympie

How much did NSW pay the refs? Seriously, Origin has become a joke. If NSW win the series then it's clearly rigged and I will be turning my back on Origin, having followed it passionately since day 1.

- Mal, South Brisbane

How quickly those cocky Bluesers forget we won 8 in a row. NSW can win the battle like they did last night, but Qld will always win the war. Never forget that.

- Broncofan, Brisbane.

If the game was fair dinkum last night then we should be celebrating our Queensland heroes winning yet another Origin shield instead of the absolute DISGRACE that was dished up last night. Even more shameful is the one-sided commentary from the NSW panel who can barely contain themselves whenever Nathan Cleary gets within a postcode of the football. Fact is, big chin isn't fit to lace the boots of any of our Maroon legends past or present. He wouldn't even make the bench in any of those teams that won 8 in a row!

- XXXX lover, Gordonvale

Same thing happens every time NSW have a sook after they lose. They lose Game 1 and rather than take it on the chin, they have to go whinge about the refs. It's why they don't get Origin. They look for the scapegoats to blame and cut players at the drop of a hat, rather that showing faith in who they've got and picking and sticking. It's why we won 8 in a row. We roll our sleeves up when the going gets tough and show that Qld spirit because (unlike NSW) we've got a beautiful state to be proud of. There's two types of people in the world- Queenslanders and those who wish they could be us! That's why they've made it so hard for us ever since that first Game in 1980 because it burns them to see us so successful and show something alien to that lot down south- ticker. Passion. Courage. So long as we get rid of Gagai and DCE for Game 3 (both hacks and past their use-by-date) and tell Ponga to aim up or he's gone, then we're right in this for Game 3. QUEENSLANDER!

- Lynne from Deception Bay

It wouldn't be Origin without NSW being arrogant and complaining the moment something doesn't go their way. Qld rightfully should've won last night and if it wasn't for the criminal sending off of Kaufusi, we would've won easily and Cleary would've faded back into obscurity like he deserves to. Can't wait to wipe the smirk off those smug faces in the decider!

- Kevin, Boonah
😂😂😂 oh my lord.
 

mxlegend99

Referee
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Like every other playmaker in the game, requires his forwards to at least break even, and requires a reasonable supply of possession. Neither happened last night.
Oh I don't disagree with that. But when Cleary is playing behind a badly beaten forward pack he is slammed for not winning games still. A half playing without any time or space is basically just going to get smashed on every touch.

Munster has a less than 50% win rate in Origin and has only won 1 of 4 full series he has played in. Yet he's hyped up as some sort of big game player. While Nathan who has won more games head to head over Munster has been branded as no good in big games.

In 2021 Nathan eliminated Munster and Storm from the competition with one shoulder, and led NSW to a record series win over Munster and Queensland with a busted shoulder for 70 minutes of game 2. But one loss in Game 1 this season has everyone saying Munster is the best player in the game etc.

Statistically Storm are no worse off without Munster.

Since 2018 Munster has a 76% win rate with Storm. Storm have an 83.3% win rate without him. Jarome Hughes is the more important player at Storm. Hughes has won 14 from 15 games without Munster. Munster has only won 9 from 15 without Hughes.

This is in the best team in the competition in the past decade. No better team for a half to shine in. No better coach for a half to shine under. He's a great player. But he's no more a big game player than anyone else running around IMO. He has his great moments as we have seen a couple of times. But he has been invisible just as often as others that get bagged out.
 
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THEY THINK IT'S OVER

Last night was not the proudest for our heroes in Maroon, but Queenslanders everywhere were left to ponder what could've been after an unbelievable sin-binning of enforcer Felise Kaufusi late in the first half. After a spirited win in Game 1 that's long been synonymous with Queensland teams, a combination of bad luck and questionable penalties saw the Maroons eventually succumb 44-12 to a NSW Blues side who evidently treated levelling the series like they'd already won the shield.

"The sin binning changed everything" said Darren Lockyer, just before defying gravity to lean off the roof the mighty Optus Stadium structure after losing a bet with public enemy #1 Paul Gallen before the game.

There can be no doubt that NSW coach Brad Fittler's clandestine meetings with the officials leading into Game 2 had a huge sway on the events of last night. Gone was the tight, even contest where it's understood that there's a difference between an Origin tackle and an NRL tackle. In bygone eras, nobody would think twice about Kaufusi's late efforts helping to defend the try line with his Maroon brothers in arms. However, State of Origin football in 2022 is a different beast, and the prevailing sentiment from the Qld dressing room and the Maroons faithful who packed out Perth was that this wasn't Origin as we're used to.

Coach Billy Slater has many big decisions to make leading into the July 13 decider- will Kalyn Ponga (HIA) be cleared to play? How will Josh Papalii be utilised? Surely a formal meeting with NRL match officials to understand the intended rule interpretations is a must, before it is corrupted beyond recognition by those south of the border who have conspired since 1980 to take away from us what is the rightful domain of every Queenslander born and bred.

And if Slater and his team needed any further motivation, they only needed to observe the arrogant manner in which NSW celebrated at full-time and could barely without their joy at winning a tainted contest and acting as if they had just won the series. Such behaviour has never been observed from our humble Maroon champions who (after 8 straight series wins) had more reason than anybody to display such arrogance and disrespect to their opponents.

But that is what makes us different up here, and NSW are going to experience an atmosphere like no other come the decider at the spiritual home of Origin on July 13.

Game on, cockroaches.

COMMENTS

Typical NSW grubs can't win fair so Freddy has to go and sook to the refs. They'll never understand Origin like we do!

- Bazza, Gympie

How much did NSW pay the refs? Seriously, Origin has become a joke. If NSW win the series then it's clearly rigged and I will be turning my back on Origin, having followed it passionately since day 1.

- Mal, South Brisbane

How quickly those cocky Bluesers forget we won 8 in a row. NSW can win the battle like they did last night, but Qld will always win the war. Never forget that.

- Broncofan, Brisbane.

If the game was fair dinkum last night then we should be celebrating our Queensland heroes winning yet another Origin shield instead of the absolute DISGRACE that was dished up last night. Even more shameful is the one-sided commentary from the NSW panel who can barely contain themselves whenever Nathan Cleary gets within a postcode of the football. Fact is, big chin isn't fit to lace the boots of any of our Maroon legends past or present. He wouldn't even make the bench in any of those teams that won 8 in a row!

- XXXX lover, Gordonvale

Same thing happens every time NSW have a sook after they lose. They lose Game 1 and rather than take it on the chin, they have to go whinge about the refs. It's why they don't get Origin. They look for the scapegoats to blame and cut players at the drop of a hat, rather that showing faith in who they've got and picking and sticking. It's why we won 8 in a row. We roll our sleeves up when the going gets tough and show that Qld spirit because (unlike NSW) we've got a beautiful state to be proud of. There's two types of people in the world- Queenslanders and those who wish they could be us! That's why they've made it so hard for us ever since that first Game in 1980 because it burns them to see us so successful and show something alien to that lot down south- ticker. Passion. Courage. So long as we get rid of Gagai and DCE for Game 3 (both hacks and past their use-by-date) and tell Ponga to aim up or he's gone, then we're right in this for Game 3. QUEENSLANDER!

- Lynne from Deception Bay

It wouldn't be Origin without NSW being arrogant and complaining the moment something doesn't go their way. Qld rightfully should've won last night and if it wasn't for the criminal sending off of Kaufusi, we would've won easily and Cleary would've faded back into obscurity like he deserves to. Can't wait to wipe the smirk off those smug faces in the decider!

- Kevin, Boonah
Haha holy shit
 
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Oh I don't disagree with that. But when Cleary is playing behind a badly beaten forward pack he is slammed for not winning games still. A half playing without any time or space is basically just going to get smashed on every touch.

Munster has a less than 50% win rate in Origin and has only won 1 of 4 full series he has played in. Yet he's hyped up as some sort of big game player. While Nathan who has won more games head to head over Munster has been branded as no good in big games.

In 2021 Nathan eliminated Munster and Storm from the competition with one shoulder, and led NSW to a record series win over Munster and Queensland with a busted shoulder for 70 minutes of game 2. But one loss in Game 1 this season has everyone saying Munster is the best player in the game etc.

Statistically Storm are no worse off without Munster.

Since 2018 Munster has a 76% win rate with Storm. Storm have an 83.3% win rate without him. Jarome Hughes is the more important player at Storm. Hughes has won 14 from 15 games without Munster. Munster has only won 9 from 15 without Hughes.

This is in the best team in the competition in the past decade. No better team for a half to shine in. No better coach for a half to shine under. He's a great player. But he's no more a big game player than anyone else running around IMO. He has his great moments as we have seen a couple of times. But he has been invisible just as often as others that get bagged out.
Good analysis. Derplanders will be cringing in their alcoholic Bundaberg ginger beer.
 
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