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2025 Crowd Watch

Omott91

Juniors
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Dragons almost slipping into Shark territory with that crowd, they should do better and are a complete myth along with the Tigers that they are a "sleeping giant".
 

Vlad59

First Grade
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Dragons almost slipping into Shark territory with that crowd, they should do better and are a complete myth along with the Tigers that they are a "sleeping giant".
Yep. I f you are going to argue that a game should be shifted to the SFS it’s this one. They play it there every other year so why not?
 

newc18

Juniors
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And yet when the stadium didn’t have reduced capacity the club crowd average was way higher
Is the current venue a turn off to Sharks fans? Like you said they have the fans but they aren't turning up atm. You would think they would do a Manly and fill the joint every week with the limited capacity, but obviously some fans are turned off from attending.

It's a shame because at the end of the day, it hurts the Sharks bottom line when they are already in a shit situation.. As a Rugby League fan, I just hope they can find the funding to fix up the joint.
 

Wb1234

Immortal
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Is the current venue a turn off to Sharks fans? Like you said they have the fans but they aren't turning up atm. You would think they would do a Manly and fill the joint every week with the limited capacity, but obviously some fans are turned off from attending.

It's a shame because at the end of the day, it hurts the Sharks bottom line when they are already in a shit situation.. As a Rugby League fan, I just hope they can find the funding to fix up the joint.
As much as we hate it it’s their home ground which they own

They are spending 19 million on the lc reno plus have installed new corporate stuff

Not every club is the broncos.

Once the reno is done they will average 15k again plus have a brand new leagues club for people to go too after and before the game

The old lc had this grimy bar under the Peter burns stand and an outdoor garden type area. I imagine the new facilities will be far superior
 

newc18

Juniors
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As much as we hate it it’s their home ground which they own

They are spending 19 million on the lc reno plus have installed new corporate stuff

Not every club is the broncos.

Once the reno is done they will average 15k again plus have a brand new leagues club for people to go too after and before the game
I don't want to see them move away from Shark Park full time. I'm just asking as someone who hasn't attended that place in over a decade if the lack of modern facilities are a turn off for Sharks fans who would normally attend? You can't help but compare them with Manly who have done such a brilliant job of getting their fans to attend since that new stand has opened. Whilst the LC will be a huge boost when it opens, it won't fix the actual issues with the stadium itself.

I don't think anyone is expecting them to be the Broncos, that's just silly lol. As Rugby League fans though, we want to see them thriving off the field like every other club.
 

Valheru

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Yep. I f you are going to argue that a game should be shifted to the SFS it’s this one. They play it there every other year so why not?
I argued exactly that earlier in the thread. Dragons kogarah crowds are as bad if not worse than sharks crowds.
 

Valheru

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As much as we hate it it’s their home ground which they own

They are spending 19 million on the lc reno plus have installed new corporate stuff

Not every club is the broncos.

Once the reno is done they will average 15k again plus have a brand new leagues club for people to go too after and before the game

The old lc had this grimy bar under the Peter burns stand and an outdoor garden type area. I imagine the new facilities will be far superior
And you're ok with a 15k average?

They are going to be left behind the likes of dogs, Parramatta, roosters, souths (if they go to SFS) and Penrith who are all going to average 20k at minimum and 25k plus in good seasons.
 

Vlad59

First Grade
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And you're ok with a 15k average?

They are going to be left behind the likes of dogs, Parramatta, roosters, souths (if they go to SFS) and Penrith who are all going to average 20k at minimum and 25k plus in good seasons.
In different competitions different clubs have different ground capacities. The EPL says hello. It’s only a concern for those obsessed by these things and then choose to endlessly complain about them. The sea eagles are in exactly the same situation. You can either accept the difference or endlessly complain about it.
 

Wb1234

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And you're ok with a 15k average?

They are going to be left behind the likes of dogs, Parramatta, roosters, souths (if they go to SFS) and Penrith who are all going to average 20k at minimum and 25k plus in good seasons.
15k with no rent and two leagues clubs

The take out the rent other clubs pay

Maybe they could take one or two games a year to Allianz but their fans didn’t travel to kogarah why would you expect them to travel places further out

Centralised stadiums won’t work in Sydney

Clubs playing games in their territory is one of the reasons the nswrl was formed

You’re just lucky the nsw govt built an 800 million stadium right next to your old ground

Penrith are getting a new ground since travelling to parra doesn’t work
 

Vlad59

First Grade
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15k with no rent and two leagues clubs

The take out the rent other clubs pay

Maybe they could take one or two games a year to Allianz but their fans didn’t travel to kogarah why would you expect them to travel places further out

Centralised stadiums won’t work in Sydney

Clubs playing games in their territory is one of the reasons the nswrl was formed

You’re just lucky the nsw govt built an 800 million stadium right next to your old ground

Penrith are getting a new ground since travelling to parra doesn’t work
Yes it’s easy to judge other clubs when you are gifted a magnificent tax payer funded stadium like that smack bang in your back yard.
 

mave

Coach
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In different competitions different clubs have different ground capacities. The EPL says hello. It’s only a concern for those obsessed by these things and then choose to endlessly complain about them. The sea eagles are in exactly the same situation. You can either accept the difference or endlessly complain about it.

We both need to somehow incentivise our respective fanbases to getting numbers to the SFS at least twice a year.

Pointless taking Titans or Cowboys games there.
Need to be a bigger drawing game. Hopefully once the Bears come back Manly will take at least that home game to the SFS.
 

Steel Saints

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Actually it's been a while since the Roosters played in Wollongong. Since St.George Illawarra began their first season as a JV club in 1999, according to Rugby League Project, out of 54 matches head to head, only six of those have been in Wollongong.

The last time the Roosters played at Win was in 2020. This was where the draw was re-jigged after the Covid restart. And of course, there was crowd restrictions. In the original 2020 draw, both games were to be held at the SCG.

Roosters playing in Wollongong is as rare as hen's teeth these days.

 

drcmuch

Juniors
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As much as we hate it it’s their home ground which they own

Once the reno is done they will average 15k again plus have a brand new leagues club for people to go too after and before the game
I'm honestly not trying to stir the pot here but according to https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/teams/cronulla-sutherland-sharks/seasons.html (crowd averages on the far right) the Sharks have averaged over 14k twice in their history. My concern is that through this recent period of post-covid crowd growth, circumstances have seen the Sharks miss the boat. Maybe when capacity permits it they'll have a surge to a level above their previous averages, but I don't think it's a given.
 

newc18

Juniors
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15k with no rent and two leagues clubs

The take out the rent other clubs pay
That's a good point. However there will come a day when pokies will be banned so it's not the worst idea to grow the club to the point where they don't need to rely on that money. Taking a game to the SFS or moving a game to a city like Adelaide or Christchurch (against the Warriors) could potentially work. Continuing to build their memberships is another option.

Maybe they could take one or two games a year to Allianz but their fans didn’t travel to kogarah why would you expect them to travel places further out
In fairness, the Dragons fans aren't exactly turning up in numbers to Kogarah either.

I'm a fan of the Sharks taking a game to Allianz but I've been met with some resistance on that idea lol.

Centralised stadiums won’t work in Sydney
It works for some, not for all. Clubs like Manly, Sharks, and Penrith need their own venues but the rest of the Sydney clubs don't need to.

Clubs playing games in their territory is one of the reasons the nswrl was formed

You’re just lucky the nsw govt built an 800 million stadium right next to your old ground
I still think it's ridiculous that the Roosters are the only NRL team that use Allianz full-time. I really hope the Bunnies are successful in convincing the government to move back there full-time.

Penrith are getting a new ground since travelling to parra doesn’t work
Penrith have actually impressed me with their crowds at Parramatta. They are doing better than some of the other Sydney clubs. Really looking forward to seeing what their crowds are like at the new venue.
 

Vlad59

First Grade
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We both need to somehow incentivise our respective fanbases to getting numbers to the SFS at least twice a year.

Pointless taking Titans or Cowboys games there.
Need to be a bigger drawing game. Hopefully once the Bears come back Manly will take at least that home game to the SFS.
I agree with that. Sharks need two games a year at the SFS but they need to be well promoted and against the right opposition.
 

Wb1234

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With the nrl buying the hotel at the ground whose value is tied to usage of shark park the nrl wouldn’t want them moving out

14k is a decent enough crowds when you look at rugby clubs worldwide

Plus I expect shark park to get some money for upgrades esp if rothfield makes an issue of it

Maybe a two tiered grand stand on the east but it wouldn’t raise capacity much

The problem is the et stand it tiny has I think 3k seats ?

Peter burns is basically the leagues club with a few small bays holding a similar few thousand

Good spot though close to the restaurants on the beach and northies
 
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Is the current venue a turn off to Sharks fans? Like you said they have the fans but they aren't turning up atm. You would think they would do a Manly and fill the joint every week with the limited capacity, but obviously some fans are turned off from attending.

It's a shame because at the end of the day, it hurts the Sharks bottom line when they are already in a shit situation.. As a Rugby League fan, I just hope they can find the funding to fix up the joint.

It’s a bit simplistic to compare Manly and Cronulla IMO.

Aside from the fact Manly has a fully operational stadium (with a new stand) and Leagues Club, Brookvale offers a far superior game day experience with over a dozen breweries and a similar number of coffee roasters within walking distance. So depending on the time of the game, Brookvale offers and excellent pre or post game bevvie opportunities. Arguably one of the best in Sydney.

Compare that to the current situation at Woolaware, where your primary means of entertainment is either navigating the car park or queueing for the bus. Salubrious.
 

Valheru

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15k with no rent and two leagues clubs

The take out the rent other clubs pay

Maybe they could take one or two games a year to Allianz but their fans didn’t travel to kogarah why would you expect them to travel places further out

Centralised stadiums won’t work in Sydney

Clubs playing games in their territory is one of the reasons the nswrl was formed

You’re just lucky the nsw govt built an 800 million stadium right next to your old ground

Penrith are getting a new ground since travelling to parra doesn’t work
Two games a year at SFS is all I'm advocating for. I'm well aware of why sharks fans want their games at shark Park and the culture if the area having loved their most of my life.
 

newc18

Juniors
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It’s a bit simplistic to compare Manly and Cronulla IMO.

Aside from the fact Manly has a fully operational stadium (with a new stand) and Leagues Club, Brookvale offers a far superior game day experience with over a dozen breweries and a similar number of coffee roasters within walking distance. So depending on the time of the game, Brookvale offers and excellent pre or post game bevvie opportunities. Arguably one of the best in Sydney.

Compare that to the current situation at Woolaware, where your primary means of entertainment is either navigating the car park or queueing for the bus. Salubrious.
You make a really good point. I've heard nothing but good things about the game day experience at Brooky.
 
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