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2nd Test: South Africa v Australia at Johannesburg Nov 17-21, 2011

Hallatia

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I play cricket for Bankstown, I don't even live there. I don't live in South Africa either, not at the moment anyway, but I have some roots in the country areas.

I guess I could support either Australia or the Proteas, but I have never liked the Australian cricket team and my family never instilled that value of supporting the team which represents the place you currently live, so I never thought I had to support Australia and I just connected with the South African team. So I am a Protea
 

simmo1

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I'm going to throw in a curve ball.

Hussey
Warner
Khawaja
Watson
Clarke
Ponting
Haddin

Yep. I mentioned this to a mate the other day, and its just about the only viable option given the lack of opening bats in the country. By the time the home series rolls around, I'd be looking at something like:

Hussey
Warner
Marsh
Watson
Clarke
Khawaja
Wade
O'Keefe
Harris
Siddle
Copeland

I think it might be better for Khawaja to ease him to the side at number six.
 

Hallatia

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Interesting

We are prepared for Australian changes - Amla
Firdose Moonda in Johannesburg
November 14, 2011

Hashim Amla, the South Africa batsman, says his side are prepared for anything Australia do as a reaction to their loss at Newlands, during which Australia were bowled out for their lowest total in over 100 years. Pat Cummins, Australia's 18-year-old fast bowler, is being tipped to play on Thursday at the Wanderers, which would make him Australia's second-youngest Test debutant. That will surprise some in the cricketing world, who are used to Australia grooming players before putting them on the international stage, but Amla said South Africa would be ready for any changes.

"One of the things we are trying to do is to prepare so we are not surprised by whatever happens," Amla said in Johannesburg, where South Africa regrouped on Monday after a weekend off. "We've gone through their bowlers, and if Cummins plays, we've played against him in the one-dayers so it won't be a massive surprise to us."

Cummins impressed with his control, pace and variation in the limited-overs matches, but was benched in favour of a more experienced attack for the first Test. Australia now have concerns in the bowling department, with Mitchell Johnson, who has an impressive record in South Africa, and Peter Siddle, taking just a wicket apiece in the first Test.

Australia's shocking collapse to 47 all out on the second day at Newlands has raised questions about how they will recover. But Amla does not think Australia will struggle to pick themselves up. "Matches like that probably happen once in every 500 Tests. I don't think they will read too much into it, although it has maybe dented their confidence a little bit. They've got quality players - guys that have played probably three times as many Tests as I have - to bring sanity back if they have had a flutter."

Amla said the Newlands Test, which lasted three days and saw a remarkable 23 wickets fall on the second day, took its toll on both sides. "Because it was very short, it did take a lot out of the players emotionally. We had two unexpected days off, which was a nice surprise. We were on the right side of that game but the guys are looking forward to the next one."

The Wanderers Test, according to Amla, will likely be decided on which batsmen have settled into good patterns in the early season. "Every batsman has it. Some people call it rhythm, some call it form. I find batting rhythm very important.

"The key to batting is partnerships, no matter who is scoring. Even if someone is finding it difficult to score and isn't getting runs, it doesn't matter as long as the partnership is building. At the Wanderers, if we can build partnerships it will be the key to a successful batting performance."

On a Newlands pitch on which most batsmen struggled, Amla and Graeme Smith, the South Africa captain, both scored centuries in the successful chase of 236. Amla said having the captain in form was important for the team, who bank on their experienced players to pull them out of tricky spots. "We've got Jacques [Kallis], Bouch [Mark Boucher] and Graeme. When things are tough and situations are a bit out of the ordinary, they rally around and give the team a lot more direction."
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Hallatia

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And I love how diplomatically this was written ,the top half of the article is almost 'how to say Haddin is shit without actually criticising him'

I'll keep playing my natural game - Haddin
Brydon Coverdale in Johannesburg
November 14, 2011

Of all the shots played by Australia batsmen during their capitulation for 47 in Cape Town, Brad Haddin's stood out as the most reckless. And of all the players in the team, few could afford such a blemish less than Haddin.

As this week's Johannesburg Test approaches, with a new selection panel ready to choose a squad to play New Zealand during the next fortnight, three men in Australia's side are under pressure. Ricky Ponting is 36 and in a trough, Mitchell Johnson's inconsistency continues to frustrate, and Haddin's slump has become worrying.

Haddin is 34, an age at which lean patches are dangerous, especially if a younger replacement is ready. Ian Healy was axed at 35. Haddin's understudy, Tim Paine, has a broken finger and is out indefinitely, but Victoria's keeper Matthew Wade is in fine touch and would not be out of place at Test level.

Although Haddin was one of Australia's better performers during the Ashes debacle, he now has a top score of 35 from his past five Tests. And the image that is freshest in the minds of those who watched the Newlands Test was of Haddin, with Australia at 18 for 5, slashing irresponsibly outside off and edging behind at a time when discretion was required.

He had fallen to a similar rush of blood in the first innings, when Australia were 163 for 5. This week's Test, which starts at the Wanderers on Thursday, is an important opportunity for Haddin, and the other struggling members of the side, with John Inverarity's new selection panel watching on with interest.

"It wasn't my proudest moment the other day but the thing about this game is the way you fight back," Haddin said. "It's where your mental strength comes from, where you turn back up after the disappointment of the other day, not only individually but as a team. It shows what mental strength you have as a player moving forward."

Mental strength was one of the things Australia lacked in Cape Town. The assistant coach Justin Langer referred to the players' lack of game awareness on the second day, when wickets fell at an alarming rate.

Better shot selection, Langer said, was the key, although he also said it was important for the batsmen to retain their positive intent. Haddin doesn't intend to go into his shell, but he does concede that he failed to assess things correctly at Newlands.

"It's important for everyone to play their natural game. There are moments in the game when you have to assess situations and that's something I didn't do great the other day. But the bottom line is you have to be true to yourself and your team-mates and play the way that's got you here."

Haddin worked hard in the nets at Newlands on Sunday, on what was supposed to be the fifth day of the Test, and he will do so at the Wanderers when Australia train there on Tuesday for the first time. He is understandably keen to play as long as possible at international level, after he spent the best part of a decade in the queue behind Adam Gilchrist.

Now it is Paine, 26, and Wade, 24, who are waiting in line. If Haddin has his way, they'll be there a bit longer yet.

"I've never looked at age or anything like that. For me it was always about being the best cricketer I could possibly be. If I get to the point where I think I've got no further part in the game then I won't play the game anymore but at this stage I feel like I've got a lot of improvement in me and I'll be kicking until then."
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Hallatia

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There is only one thing wrong with Bankstown, and that is the traffic congestion of late (which is only the case because of what a happening place Bankstown has become:lol:). The best thing about Bankstown is that it keeps our the ignoramouses who have unfounded opinions that there is anything wrong with the place or people in it.
 

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You would have thought Haddin would know by now when is the right time to be playing risky shots and it's not like it was the first time he did it.
 

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And I love how diplomatically this was written ,the top half of the article is almost 'how to say Haddin is shit without actually criticising him'

Sauce

I sort of raised it in another thread, but watching that replay of the Haddin shot, it looked like he was paid off to do so. I just can't justify it in any other way in my head.

I rekcon if it was a Pakistani or Indian playing that stroke there would be howls of criticism.
 

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I sort of raised it in another thread, but watching that replay of the Haddin shot, it looked like he was paid off to do so. I just can't justify it in any other way in my head.

I rekcon if it was a Pakistani or Indian playing that stroke there would be howls of criticism.

Haddin was just 'playing my natural game' i.e swinging the bat at everything and hoping it pays off.
 
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I sort of raised it in another thread, but watching that replay of the Haddin shot, it looked like he was paid off to do so. I just can't justify it in any other way in my head.

I rekcon if it was a Pakistani or Indian playing that stroke there would be howls of criticism.

As it was explained to you in the same thread there is a reason why Pakistan are suspect, have you not heard of Salman Butt, Mohammad Asif or Mohammad Amir?
 

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Have you not heard of Shane Warne or Mark Waugh?

Im not honestly saying he was getting paid.

Putting that other stuff aside TT, don't you think that was a terrible terrible shot worthy of some scrutiny (not for betting scandal issues, but for letting the team down, being lazy, reckless play etc.)
 
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Mark Waugh and Shane Warne were not match fixers and therein lies the difference.

It was a terrible shot and if it were a Pakistani there would rightfully be scrutiny over that shot just like there was scrutiny over their SCG performance in 2009 then we hear revelations about the wicketkeeper dropping catches on purpose and Pakistani players spot fixing not long after.
 

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In doubt, or just using it as an excuse to keep Shitchell in the team?
Ps I'm just being cynical.
 
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Hallatia

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poor excuse when Harris is so much better and more consistent than Johnson.

Harris is however looking kind of fat, might just be his face though and his current haircut does not help.
 

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