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2nd tier cap

franklin2323

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Can someone explain to me how the 2nd tier cap works? Like I know it's $375k but we have out for the season or unknown:

Coote
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So wouldn't we be able to keep Moylan, Robinson etc until they comeback?
 

mxlegend99

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I don't know how it works, but it's sure as hell punishing the Panthers, Matt Moylan and Travis Robinson for finding good form. Absolutely ridiculous that we can be forced not to use blokes who are earning less then the minimum NRL wage because other blokes are now fit. Our team is worth less then half the salary cap, but we're going to be penalised if we try and field it.

Meanwhile there are teams running around built on exploiting the salary cap or outright cheating it, and the NRL is fine with that. Why the f*ck is it the little guys that get punished for these things? Forcing a club to drop promising young players and select shitty ones is ridiculous.
 

Dogs Of War

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Penrith will be forced to drop one of the stars of their resurgence, fullback Matt Moylan, because of what officials have called ''unreasonable'' second-tier salary cap restrictions.
The Panthers have been notified by the NRL that should they play Moylan against Wests Tigers on Sunday, they will risk a substantial fine, and there are also doubts about winger Travis Robinson's availability for the match.
Moylan is said to be ''shattered'' by the development. His manager Allan Gainey said he would likely consult with lawyers over whether the move was a restraint of trade. Instead of playing in the NRL on Sunday, Moylan is likely to turn out for Windsor Wolves against Newtown in Parkes on the same day. Robinson's selection will need to be confirmed by further discussions.
Moylan and Robinson were called into the side in round seven as the club dealt with a shocking injury toll. The pair have since played a key role in the Panthers winning four of their past five matches, a run that has moved them into the top eight.
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But with Wes Naiqama having recovered from injury, the Panthers sought to gain exemption to play Moylan, because he is in the second-tier salary cap. The club was told Moylan's selection would represent a second-tier cap breach. Naiqama will play in place of Moylan, while Geoff Daniela would replace Robinson, who has scored five tries in five matches, if officials cannot come to agreement over his selection.
''This is a highly unfortunate situation, and it affects all clubs from time to time, not just the Panthers,'' Penrith's executive general manager of rugby league Phil Gould said. ''I have been in discussion with the NRL chief executive Dave Smith and the chief operating officer Jim Doyle for some time, highlighting the problems that the current second-tier salary cap creates in our game. They have been extremely proactive in launching a review of all aspects of the salary-cap structures.
''I trust Dave and Jim to find a workable solution some time in the near future. It's just unfortunate that young Matt Moylan and perhaps other players at other clubs are caught in the bind of what we see as an unreasonable restraint of their development and the ability of teams to remain competitive during the course of a long season.
''The league is aware of the issue and is working hard to ensure it doesn't happen again.
''Our view is that the second-tier salary cap has no place in the game today, as it may have had perhaps a decade ago.''
An NRL spokesman confirmed the administration had begun a review of the second-tier salary cap before Penrith's complaints about Moylan. ''The NRL has already had discussions with Penrith and other clubs in relation to the second-tier cap,'' the spokesman said. ''Further discussions with Penrith and other clubs are planned.'' That will be little comfort for Moylan, who earns less than half the minimum wage of the NRL, and has now been denied the chance to earn match payments for playing at the top level.
The second-tier salary cap, for players outside the top 25, is $375,000. But Penrith have argued that the cap has risen only 25 per cent since 2005, failing to keep up with increases in the NRL salary cap.
Moylan recently re-signed with the Panthers until the end of 2015. His contract was also believed to be structured so he would earn more in 2015 if he played a certain number of games in 2013-14. That prospect is now in doubt.
''It's a ridiculous situation,'' Gainey said. ''It's affected my player's ability to earn, it's affected his development. He should be playing first grade.
''The coach wants him to play first grade. It's something the RLPA [players' union] should have addressed in the latest [bargaining agreement]. All clubs have a problem with it - $375,000 for the second-tier cap is crazy. We'd seriously consider our legal options, as we regard it as a restraint of trade.''
The development comes with the Panthers still having significant injury problems. Lachlan Coote (pectoral), Blake Austin (foot), Sam McKendry (back) and Tom Humble (ankle) remain on the injured list. To add to their woes, front-rower Tim Grant is likely to be sidelined for the next month with a broken hand.


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The second tier salary cap is a load of rubbish. The funny thing is that it hurts teams at the bottom of the table the most. They are the ones usually looking to utilise to either try something different, or due to injuries.

I hope Moylan takes the NRL on in a restraint of trade case.
 

Danish

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How in the hell can the 2nd tier cap possibly still only be $375k?

Surely given the huge increases in the 1st grade cap the 2nd tier should be drastically increased also. Should be closer to $1 million
 

franklin2323

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We have got John & Capewell only since releasing Jennings. He was on the books this year for $800k granted we are paying the Roosters 200k.

Still leaves $600k under. Then Coote ($400k), McKendry ($400k) & others out long term.

No reason we can't pay even $50% of their wages under the 2nd tier until they comeback. Grant's now injured.

Giving us only 20 eligible players possibly all year rubbish that is.
 

murraymob

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penrith are caught between to hard choices play the 2 and get fined as well as lose the competition points or drop them and lose the game anyway.It appears they will drop them
 

Fufu Andronez

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What a load of crap, were not talking boats in garages here were talking blokes on less than minimum wage trying to set up their futures in the game. $375k cap what a joke.
 

franklin2323

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penrith are caught between to hard choices play the 2 and get fined as well as lose the competition points or drop them and lose the game anyway.It appears they will drop them

How do you replace them though? 19 fit eligble players with 13 weeks left.

Out of our 25 man squad:
Grant, McKendry, Coote, Austin, Latimore, Humble, Weston (released), Jennings was also in the inital squad.

John & James Roberts aren't in the F/T squad. Means they can't play after 5 games either.

McKendry broken neck, Coote torn pec, Humble ankle op. It's not like we are faking injuries.
 

murraymob

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franklin

the club and we see that but the nrl dont care.My guess is naquama and mansour will come in for moylan and robinson .Droping the players is the only real choice the club has
 

roofromoz

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This is such BS.

These players (Moylan and Robinson) have been central to Penrith's resurgence in the last month, and now have been told that they can't play. And Isaac John appears to be in the same boat.

It's hard to say whether this will break to back of the Panthers and result in a slide back down the ladder, considering the calibre of players that will be their replacement - maybe with exception of Mansour for Robinson.

If this does result in a slide, then us Panther fans will be very, very bitter about this.
 

roofromoz

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IF John has to be dropped in the next few weeks, who the heck will be our 5/8th, considering that Coote and Humble are out for the season?
 

Paullyboy

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The raiders used to get fined all the time for breaching the second tier cap because we always seem to get a ridiculous amount of injuries.

It's just bad luck.
 

Paullyboy

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IF John has to be dropped in the next few weeks, who the heck will be our 5/8th, considering that Coote and Humble are out for the season?

Haha yeah we had Alan tongue at halfback and terry Martin at 5/8. You just learn to sit back and have a laugh.
 

mean_maori_mean

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We have got John & Capewell only since releasing Jennings. He was on the books this year for $800k granted we are paying the Roosters 200k.

Still leaves $600k under. Then Coote ($400k), McKendry ($400k) & others out long term.

No reason we can't pay even $50% of their wages under the 2nd tier until they comeback. Grant's now injured.

Giving us only 20 eligible players possibly all year rubbish that is.

Jennings only affects the top 25 salary cap. Even if you make cuts there, if these players sit in top 25 above the likes of moylan and robinson.

Plus with Jennings - arent you still paying some of his wage this year - then effectively he still sits under teh top 25 cap. You can totally remove him from the situation.
So since they sit out of the top 25 - any cuts dont help that 350,000 figure.

Trust me - this would happen with a number of clubs each year - fans wonder why the newcomers always gets dropped despite good form.

Clubs should of complained when agreeing to the salary cap.- Do you know who is to blame for this cap? Not the NRL, its the players union. They basically want barriers to entry or restriction of trade. Like other sports unions they want to make it as hard as possible for clubs to simply replace them.

They also increase the min wage for players on trial - which basically deters clubs for putting players on trial for the off-season (and potentially replacing them).

As for replacing with 20s - well you can do that - but remember you will have 20s cap and you cant breach that. Also 20s players usually have big bonuses for FG games like 1000s. Which means it will get breached pretty fast.
 

Karnivayne

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Play Roberts at fullback and Mansour on the wing, that's the combination they were working with all off season. Yes, the situation is pathetic but you have to do what you have to do. Penrith will offload some second tier players over the coming month then they should be right for Moylan to slot back in, unfortunately by then everyone will see how good Roberts is and the club will have massive problems on who to select at fullback.
 

gUt

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Can someone explain to me how the 2nd tier cap works? Like I know it's $375k but we have out for the season or unknown:

Coote
Latimore
Humble
Austin

So wouldn't we be able to keep Moylan, Robinson etc until they comeback?

I don't know much about it but I'd say it's something like this: because they've had so many second-tier cap players receiving first-grade match payments, it's eaten into the $375k allowance these players collectively get.

The fact that these second-tier players have turned out to be better for the team than the players they replaced shows either bad luck or bad management... I mean it would be hard to reason that try scoring machine Reece Robinson's twin brother might also have some wheels on him. :oops:

I think the best the Panthers can hope for in 2013 is that the second tier cap will be immediately raised by the same proportion as the first tier cap but with 14 rounds + finals to go this might only buy them a few more weeks.
 

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