2nd tier salary cap

[morley101]

Clarifcation of the 2nd tier salary cap.
The total is $440,000

10 -15 players per club being paid between $20,000 & $30,000 + jobs

Say the base pay for all the players is a total of $250,000 against the cap, leaving $190,000 for bonus payments if player(s) are selected for the NRL.

Say a player who is being $30,000 plays 4 games of NRL during the year
and the bonus payment of $5000 a game.

If a club signs this same player for the following year to be still outside the top 25 does this player needs to be paid $50,000 base ?

 

[oldmancraigy]

It's not how it works.

2nd tier players are the ones who are not top 25 paid players and who are not part of the Toyota Cup salary cap AND who actually play first grade in that particular year.

Minimum salary is $80k, so you could pay a bloke $77k - if he played reserves all year long, he doesn't count as part of the '2nd tier cap', because he didn't play first grade.

 

[Edwahu]

So the absolute max a team can use in a season is 30 players without exemptions? Or do NYC players only count against their NYC contracts?

 

[oikee]

Mate, i watched the Redcliffe Dolphins verse the Ipswich Jets and trust me, half of them should not be getting paid.
I turned it off the quality was that bad. And only last week the PNG hunters game was one of the best i have seen , against the bottom team in Q-cup.

Luckily some of those first grade players drop back to these comps, or you wouldn't bother turning up, even if you were a player.

Bloody awful. Stuart Mills, he use to play for Sharkies, gee whiz he is a poor player, he cant defend to save his life.
He was one of the better players, ?? struth.

 

[oldmancraigy]

So the absolute max a team can use in a season is 30 players without exemptions? Or do NYC players only count against their NYC contracts?

A team can use as many players as they want AS LONG as those players fit within the relevant salary caps.

Top tier cap = $6.3million, minimum wage $80k. This MUST be spent only on the top 25 paid players currently at the club. Not every cent needs to be spent, but I am unclear currently what the amount of 'savings' can be. The NRL has a very strange way of working this out, figuring out at seasons end who the top 25 paid players for the club currently are, and assessing their salary against the cap. Transfers complicate things a little bit (and more than they ought to).
NRL needs to adjust this so that the top 25 paid players salaries are known at the start of the season to the NRL, and have a transfer window to switch players around on comparable salaries.

Players on less than the lowest top 25 paid player make up the 2nd tier cap. They only count if used in first grade towards the 2nd tier cap ($440k). So if you have 20 guys who make $20k, you can play them all in first grade if you want.

The NYC cap is the NYC cap. It covers the players contracted to the club to play NYC who are NOT already in the top 25 paid players (ie, clubs often sign U20 players to larger contracts because, well, they're damn good). These blokes can play first grade on their meagre NYC salary, and count against the NYC cap. However it is highly unlikely, if a young bloke is good enough to play FG on (say) $30k per year, then no doubt another club will immediately offer them a minimum salary upgrade to join a first grade squad (or, more likely, their agent would have already arranged it). There is a maximum of 20 players who can make up the ?$300k NYC salary cap. Then there is a 2nd tier NYC cap, (similar to the 2nd tier FG cap) of ?$60k - which can be made up of unlimited number of players (ie, they only count to the 2nd tier once they play NYC)
**Not sure on the NYC cap numbers anymore.


Hope that helps.

 

[morley101]

Cheers,

Say Sam Moa was on $70K last year and played 23 games at 5K a game.

His $185,000 was counted in the 2nd Tier Cap
This year he will be top 25 valued at $185,000.

 

[Abacus]

Cheers,

Say Sam Moa was on $70K last year and played 23 games at 5K a game.

His $185,000 was counted in the 2nd Tier Cap
This year he will be top 25 valued at $185,000.

Sam's 2013 value would have been $70k + $5k for each NRL (or similar) match he played in 2012. This value would be part of the Roosters' 2013 2nd tier cap as soon as he plays his 1st NRL match in 2013.

This year he would be valued at his 2014 fee (say $100k) plus whatever match fee he gets for 2014 (say $3k) for each of his matches in 2013. So his value based on 23 matches in 2013 wouldbe $100k + $3k x 23 = $169k.

Hope this makes sense.

 

[oldmancraigy]

Cheers,

Say Sam Moa was on $70K last year and played 23 games at 5K a game.

His $185,000 was counted in the 2nd Tier Cap
This year he will be top 25 valued at $185,000.

Not quite right!

Last year he would have counted $70k against the 2nd tier cap - because the 23 games he played at $5k per game are 'match payments' - which are multiplied by the number of games played in the previous season (0).

This year he would be a top 25 player IF his contract was structured similarly (ie, 70k + 5k match payments which would be x23 based on the previous season), even if he plays 0 games of first grade.
So despite his $70k base salary, the match payments surely means, at $185k, he earns in the top 25 at the club, so must therefore be counted as part of the top 25.

It's confusing because the top 25 isn't calculated until years end, so blokes who SEEM to be top 25 (published in the big league season preview) may not end up being part of the top 25, because they failed to achieve a certain bonus etc etc.