3rd ODI: Australia v England at SCG on Jan 21, 2018

[TheParraboy]

Every chance poms wrap up the series here unless we get out crap in order very quick

I think Smithy said Haze and Cummins will be back

Poms are just too good at the moment in this format

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Haze will add tightness to the bowling.

Cummins will add class if he's not told to bowl short all day.

But, realistically, our pace bowling has been the least of our concerns with Starc being Starc and Richardson and Tye looking promising.

The problems lie in our middle order and spin options.

Smith is a spot too high.

Head is out of form & possibly out of his depth.

Marsh is too inconsistent to bat at 5, 7 is probably better but if he's only bowling 2-3 overs a game what is his role?
Stoinis has potential and should stay at 6, as a bowler he needs more variety - a slower ball or two wouldn't go astray.

White's selection is a joke.

Paine isn't the answer as the keeper in this team because the batting isn't strong enough to carry a guy who can make a quickfire 15 off 27 balls.

Lyon needs to come into the team. Teams know Zampa and his limited variations too well and Smith as a captain doesn't trust spinners enough. Lyon is proven at test level, is better than zampa and needs a shot.

That said, England are a very good, organized outfit.

They, the kiwis, south Africans and India are ahead of us. There's still time to get to that level but the selection need to stop f**king around with favourites and pick the best team

 

[TheParraboy]

Would like to see, well before the world cup, guys like Short, Lynn, Carey and Lyon establish themselves in the side, be given a decent run. Maxwell hopefully will be there.

I don't see White, Head, Paine, Zampa and even Mitch Marsh being in our top XI come the world cup

Smith at 4 is logical

 

[Twizzle]

I heard Clarkey's rant yesterday about having Smith at 4 because he plays spin better where as the hitmen like Maxwell should be at 3.

Made me yell at the TV, Smith just got spun out ffs, that we poor timing and stupid logic.

I really dont get why any one would not want our best batsman at 3 where he can bat for longer periods in an ODI game. Playing some one like the Toyman at 3 just means Smith will bat a few balls later and why would you want some one at 3 who cant even get in the squad.

I agree with PB about getting Short or Lyn in there and pushing MMarsh down a bit. We need genuine batsmen in the middle order not all rounders who cannot play spin. Cameron Smith is not the future, these kids are so now is the time to slot them in so they can learn.

 

[ANTiLAG]

I heard Clarkey's rant yesterday about having Smith at 4 because he plays spin better where as the hitmen like Maxwell should be at 3.

Made me yell at the TV, Smith just got spun out ffs, that we poor timing and stupid logic.

I really dont get why any one would not want our best batsman at 3 where he can bat for longer periods in an ODI game. Playing some one like the Toyman at 3 just means Smith will bat a few balls later and why would you want some one at 3 who cant even get in the squad.

I agree with PB about getting Short or Lyn in there and pushing MMarsh down a bit. We need genuine batsmen in the middle order not all rounders who cannot play spin. Cameron Smith is not the future, these kids are so now is the time to slot them in so they can learn.

The only good reason to push Smith to 4, is to open with someone like Lynn, and have Finch or Warner move to 3. Although in the IPL, Finch was someone moved down to the middle order as Gujarat were heavy on buying openers (BMac, Smith, Finch, Roy) and Raina liked to bat high.

For anything else that isn't bringing a first 10 overs specialist hitter in, I agree that Smith ought to bat 3.

 

[ANTiLAG]

Would like to see, well before the world cup, guys like Short, Lynn, Carey and Lyon establish themselves in the side, be given a decent run. Maxwell hopefully will be there.

I don't see White, Head, Paine, Zampa and even Mitch Marsh being in our top XI come the world cup

Smith at 4 is logical

The Bison aint finished. Lets not leave out levers just yet if we're being on the level.

One of the tricky things for Strayan selectors is getting the batting balance with the bowling. England made their bed with all-rounders stacked a long time ago now. They'll give away more in the field to bat really deep. With Stokes, Woakes bats as low as 9 - thats deep! Rashid as low as batting #10 has 10 FC centuries, averages 23.7 at 111SR in ODI. He even batted at 11 in 2017.

And Safrica are just very lucky to have some very talented ones in the likes of Pretorious, Morris, and try to make good use of Phelukwayo in the quota spot. De Kock helps their balance no end, ABDV is just one of the best ODI batsmen ever, and Amla and Faf's reliability permits them to carry Miller as a specialist slogger. To keep their balance, Safrica realises it has to leave out ace seamers, and they do it. England got lucky as Broad and Anderson weren't bringing that much to the ODI table anymore.

Smithy and the selectors have to make a decision, either cut the ace seamers down more, or shorten the batting order. Aus seem to be really missing Watson, he was such a brilliant ODI player. But Stoinis and Marsh have skills that you can work with if Aus want to stack the batting.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

The problem with Australia is they aren't mixing things up. Trying something different.

Everyone knows Warner will open the batting. Once in the while, shake up the order. Put him in at 3 or 4 and let him just f**king explode.

 

[ANTiLAG]

The problem with Australia is they aren't mixing things up. Trying something different.

Everyone knows Warner will open the batting. Once in the while, shake up the order. Put him in at 3 or 4 and let him just f**king explode.

I don't think he needs to explode. I have watched a lot of him in the IPL. And while Kohli gets all the media headlines, and Bmac, Pollard, and Gayle all the hype, Warner is consistently the best imo pacer of an innings. He doesn't go BMac beserk, but he maintains a very very high SR (and average in accumulating big score after big score) just with a as casual as you like lofted drive for 6 every 8 to 12 balls or so in between boundary shots and working the ball around.

He can match Pollard and Russell for high strike rate, but unlike their big swing after big swing, its rather innocuous. Even the lofted drives for 6 are just par for the course with Warner in the IPL.

Since 2014, Warner has averaged 52.95 at 148.57 in the IPL. And back to back 600 plus runs seasons in 2016 and 2017 averaging over 60 at 144 to 150+ SR. He has the ability that Gayle doesn't, to work the ball around, and he has what Kohli is reluctant to do, go aerial in the first 6 overs. But he does with such a nonchalance, that he flies under the radar as against some of the fellow superstars with their more brash approach to batting and headline grabbing.

I wouldn't mess with Warner's role, may just say to him - up the SR in the first 10 a bit, but I would keep him doing what he's doing. 2 years in a row he has made the ICC ODI team of the Year with damn good numbers.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

f**k the ipl.

 

[2 weeks]

Poms pick a side that aims to get 400, we pick a side that thinks 300 is plenty.

I'd look outside da box.
Look at getting 400 ourselves.

Warner
Maxwell
Smith
Finch
Stoinis
Short
MMarsh
Carey
Cummins/Haze
Starc
GOAT

 

[ANTiLAG]

Poms pick a side that aims to get 400, we pick a side that thinks 300 is plenty.

I'd look outside da box.
Look at getting 400 ourselves.

Warner
Maxwell
Smith
Finch
Stoinis
Short
MMarsh
Carey
Cummins/Haze
Starc
GOAT

Maxwell over Lynn to open?

 

[2 weeks]

Maxwell over Lynn to open?

Until Lynn can rid himself of his leprosy, and actually play a full season I don't reckon his fitness can be trusted.
Plus his form is basically all 20/20 form.
Maxwell is maligned (fairly most of the time) but he has produced in 50 over cricket.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Poms pick a side that aims to get 400, we pick a side that thinks 300 is plenty.

I'd look outside da box.
Look at getting 400 ourselves.

Warner
Maxwell
Smith
Finch
Stoinis
Short
MMarsh
Carey
Cummins/Haze
Starc
GOAT

With 3 specialist bowlers other teams will be aiming at 500.

 

[2 weeks]

With 3 specialist bowlers other teams will be aiming at 500.

Maybe.

What would your side be?

 

[ANTiLAG]

Until Lynn can rid himself of his leprosy, and actually play a full season I don't reckon his fitness can be trusted.
Plus his form is basically all 20/20 form.
Maxwell is maligned (fairly most of the time) but he has produced in 50 over cricket.

Has Maxy ever been tried as an opener in any format anywhere? I'm not against the experiment per se - just interested.

 

[2 weeks]

Has Maxy ever been tried as an opener in any format anywhere? I'm not against the experiment per se - just interested.

Very rarely tried, but off a small sample

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8917/scorecard/995467

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Glenn Maxwell is an abysmal cricketer

 

[ANTiLAG]

Very rarely tried, but off a small sample

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8917/scorecard/995467

Nice. I like this one even more given how everyone else seems to struggle to score freely:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...ia-2nd-t20i-australia-tour-of-sri-lanka-2016/

2 t20i successes out of two attempts and one odi success from one attempt. Him opening has some merit.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Maybe.

What would your side be?

Finch
Warner
Maxwell
Smith
Head
Marsh/Stoinis
Carey
Starc
Cummins
Hazelwood
Lyon

Our attack is our strength, we weaken it if we try to do the same as England. England can go deep in their batting order because they have better allrounders.

If 8 batsmen plus Starc and Cummins aren't enough batsmen then we're no hope anyway.

Lynn or Short in if Maxwell, Head,Marsh/Stoinis fail. I'm giving Maxwell one more chance to show what he's got. Head bats at 5 as a stabilising type of player who can go hard when required

Richardson and Tye to rotate through as back up fast bowlers.

 

[2 weeks]

Finch
Warner
Maxwell
Smith
Head
Marsh/Stoinis
Carey
Starc
Cummins
Hazelwood
Lyon

Our attack is our strength, we weaken it if we try to do the same as England. England can go deep in their batting order because they have better allrounders.

If 8 batsmen plus Starc and Cummins aren't enough batsmen then we're no hope anyway.

Lynn or Short in if Maxwell, Head,Marsh/Stoinis fail. I'm giving Maxwell one more chance to show what he's got. Head bats at 5 as a stabilising type of player who can go hard when required

Richardson and Tye to rotate through as back up fast bowlers.

In the small pommy grounds 400 is the new 300.
I can see your point but reckon we need to try something different.