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4th ASHES TEST: @ Old Trafford, Manchester July 19-23, 2023

Bazal

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Unfair on both England and Cummins imo…

this isn’t the first time they’ve played like this, and Cummins isn’t the Lone Ranger here, lots of experience on field and an extensive coaching team…

Is it unfair?

I feel like, if I was a bloke who wanted to attack bowling, coward fields and persistent unthreatening short shit would be the stuff of dreams...it's not like England have been destroying good bowling
 

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Fair play to England. They've got inside our heads. We keep saying we're playing our game and not letting baz ball influencing us. The reality is we're not playing our game, we're playing exactly how England want us to play.
England deserve the win on this one.

We do not deserve to retain the ashes on a draw this game.

England have adjusted their tactics since the start of the series. We have not. We keep expecting them to throw away wickets like they did in the first two games, but England have put their ego aside and are batting with much more control.

It will be a strange feeling if the weather forces a draw here, certainly a bit hollow. I feel if Stokes declared around lunch yesterday the game would likely already be over.
 

JJ

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Is it unfair?

I feel like, if I was a bloke who wanted to attack bowling, coward fields and persistent unthreatening short shit would be the stuff of dreams...it's not like England have been destroying good bowling
I just don't think we're in a world where the captain is solely responsible any more - there's a coaching team that presumably worked through this strategy, and the team is incredibly experienced, surely if Cummins was hell bent on this, some of the senior players on field (only Green is really an inexperienced cricketer) would have said it - not to mention the other two quicks, neither of whom are well suited to short stuff...

I just think the Poms have got in their heads...
 

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6 off the over. Zero risk. Cummins is such a f**king fraud
Regardless of the result at Old Trafford, the strategy surrounding field placings needs a complete overhaul for the next test at The Oval. Regardless of who's the architect behind this strategy - whether it be the coach, bowling coach, captain - the Aussies have become too fixated on this short-ball nonsense and way too many fielders on the boundary for most of the innings, especially on a pitch that doesn't have anywhere near the pace and carry in Brisbane and Perth (several balls were already shooting low this test, such as the one that dismissed Joe Root on day 2).

As I mentioned in another post, despite winning by only 3 wickets in Headingley, England were able to chase down the 4th innings target scoring at more than 5 runs per over! The backbreaker for the Aussies over the past two tests is giving away too many easy singles, allowing the Pommy batsmen to rotate the strike with consummate ease, hence the bowlers cannot build any sustained pressure. When they weren't hitting 4s and 6s, the Poms were comfortably able to whittle away at the target in Headingley with easy singles
 
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JJ

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If you're going to persevere with this short ball stuff, could we swap Wagner for one of your quicks... would be win-win, and at least he can do it well
 

Bazal

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I just don't think we're in a world where the captain is solely responsible any more - there's a coaching team that presumably worked through this strategy, and the team is incredibly experienced, surely if Cummins was hell bent on this, some of the senior players on field (only Green is really an inexperienced cricketer) would have said it - not to mention the other two quicks, neither of whom are well suited to short stuff...

I just think the Poms have got in their heads...

Sure but the captain should have the brains to realise it isn't working and try something else.

Cummins has been completely and totally absent as a captain
 

JJ

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Sure but the captain should have the brains to realise it isn't working and try something else.

Cummins has been completely and totally absent as a captain
Yep…. And has had a decidedly human performance his standards
 

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