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A couple of Suprises in the All Blacks touring squad

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Toeava, Eaton the bolters in ABs squad

23 October 2005
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Bolters Isaia Toeava and Jason Eaton highlighted the 35-man All Blacks squad named today for their tour of Britain and Ireland next month.

Utility back Toeava (Auckland) and lock Eaton (Taranaki) were two of six uncapped players named for the four-match tour starting with a test against Wales in Cardiff on November 5.

The others were Taranaki flanker Chris Masoe, Auckland lock/loose forward Angus Macdonald - whose father Hamish was an All Black in the 1970s - and Wellington prop Neemia Tialata, while Auckland prop John Afoa was part of the Tri-Nations squad but didn't play a test.

Coach Graham Henry said last week there would be no shock selections but unveiled several today.

The speedy Toeava, 19, played in the New Zealand Sevens and Under-19 sides this year and made his debut for Auckland in the NPC, primarily at fullback.

He was a finalist for the International Rugby Board's under-19 player of the year award.

Eaton had a solid NPC for Taranaki to seal his place as the fourth specialist lock, ahead of the man widely tipped for that spot, Otago's Tom Donnelly.

" Developing depth is part of our strategy going forward, so it is good to introduce five new players to the All Blacks," Henry said.

"Isaia is a player who can play 10, 12, 13, wing or fullback, so he has huge utility value. When we come to World Cup time and are only permitted to pick 30 players, that utility value is going to be very important."

Several loose forwards pressed for selection, Henry noted, and in addition to form, the selectors sought versatility.

"With Angus and Chris we've picked a couple of new players who have, or are developing, broad skill sets. Both also have the ability to cover more than one position."

One major omission was Waikato flanker Marty Holah, a 34-test All Black and long-time deputy to Richie McCaw who was headed off by Masoe who can play either openside of blindside flanker.

Hooker Anton Oliver returns after missing the Lions tour and Tri-Nations with a calf muscle injury.

Another hooker, Taranaki's Andrew Hore, won a recall after being unwanted for the Lions tour and Tri-Nations series, with Derren Witcombe ruled out of the tour with a neck injury.

Hore last played for the All Blacks in the 2004 Tri-Nations.

Southland's Jimmy Cowan secured the third halfback's position ahead of Kevin Senio who was preferred as backup in the Tri-Nations.

Witcombe and Waikato flanker Jono Gibbes were unavailable due to injury.

The All Blacks assemble in Auckland on Tuesday and depart on Thursday.

The squad is:

Forwards:
John Afoa (Auckland), Jerry Collins (Wellington), Jason Eaton (Taranaki), Carl Hayman (Otago), Andrew Hore (Taranaki), Chris Jack (Canterbury), Sione Lauaki (Waikato), Richie McCaw (Canterbury), Angus Macdonald (Auckland), Chris Masoe (Taranaki), Keven Mealamu (Auckland), Anton Oliver (Otago), James Ryan (Otago), Greg Somerville (Canterbury), Rodney So'oialo (Wellington), Neemia Tialata (Wellington), Mose Tuiali'i (Canterbury), Ali Williams (Auckland), Tony Woodcock (North Harbour). Backs:
Dan Carter (Canterbury), Jimmy Cowan (Southland), Rico Gear (Nelson Bays), Doug Howlett (Auckland), Byron Kelleher (Waikato) Luke McAlister (North Harbour) Leon MacDonald (Canterbury), Aaron Mauger (Canterbury), Mils Muliaina (Auckland), Ma'a Nonu (Wellington), Joe Rokocoko (Auckland), Sitiveni Sivivatu (Waikato), Conrad Smith (Wellington), Isaia Toeava (Auckland), Tana Umaga, (Wellington) (Captain), Piri Weepu (Wellington).

End-of-year tour
Nov 6 - Wales, Cardiff
Nov 13 - Ireland, Dublin
Nov 20 - England, London
Nov 27 - Scotland, Edinburgh
 

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Good to see Tialata get a callup, the guy is a beast, if he can get his scrummaging polished up a bit (which he should be able to do in the AB squad) then he'll have a big future. He's only 21-22 isn't he?
 

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Eatson was very left field. I heard rumours about Isaia Toeava being a bolter but nothing on Eatson. I would have thought Smiley or Donnely would have got a spot too.
 

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marty holahs going to tell them to get stuffed. i realise he just signed another 2 yrs but why ? in case mccaw gets hurt ? 2007 ?

great to see john afoa get the nod, cant understand sommerviles selection-hes last years news. ditto maá nonu.

wheres bloody johno !!!
 

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Yeah Holah not getting selected is a bit of a nuff nuff decision for mine. He's a terrific open side.
 

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NZ seem to be over the back up open side. I thought NZ were thinking of putting McCaw and Holah at 6 and 7.
 

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Abit gutted not to see Newby, Donnelly and Evans make it I thought they would of deserved selection for how well they have performed this year.
 
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Is Neemia Tialata better then Campbell Johnstone? In my other thread i have the All-Blacks strongest team with depth, & the reserve 1. After Woodcock & Somerville (who can play 1 & 3) is Johnstone, but Tialata was selected so is he better?
 

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aussies1st said:
NZ seem to be over the back up open side. I thought NZ were thinking of putting McCaw and Holah at 6 and 7.
I don't think JC has done anything wrong to lose his spot. Most countries would kill for a player like JC, brings toughness, intimidation and mongrel.
 

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aqua_duck said:
I don't think JC has done anything wrong to lose his spot. Most countries would kill for a player like JC, brings toughness, intimidation and mongrel.

Its like the Aussie situation with Waugh and Smith. Main difference is Jones still wants both in the side where as Henry is going for the verstlity.
 

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LeagueFanNumeroUno said:
Is Neemia Tialata better then Campbell Johnstone? In my other thread i have the All-Blacks strongest team with depth, & the reserve 1. After Woodcock & Somerville (who can play 1 & 3) is Johnstone, but Tialata was selected so is he better?

Tialata is very big (125kg) but also mobile, and is a very damaging runner with the ball in hand, he crashes it up like an NRL front rower. His scrummaging isn't brilliant but I doubt many players would look that good in the 'canes scrum. Given his size, age (23) and obvious natural ability I think the AB selectors consider that if they can improve the more technical areas of his game he'll be a great prospect for the future. If he gets his scrummaging right he'd certainly be the goods I think.
 

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aussies1st said:
Its like the Aussie situation with Waugh and Smith. Main difference is Jones still wants both in the side where as Henry is going for the verstlity.

I prefer Henry's policy. There's no point playing people out of position just to fit them in the team when there are good specialists avaiable in that position.
 

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The ABs loosies play all over the place. Lauaki is meant to be a 6 but can play 8, So'oialo a 8 but plays 7 if Richie is off. The main problem for Aus when they do this is Waugh and Smith aren't great lineout jumpers and Lyons isn't either.
 
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SpaceMonkey said:
Tialata is very big (125kg) but also mobile, and is a very damaging runner with the ball in hand, he crashes it up like an NRL front rower. His scrummaging isn't brilliant but I doubt many players would look that good in the 'canes scrum. Given his size, age (23) and obvious natural ability I think the AB selectors consider that if they can improve the more technical areas of his game he'll be a great prospect for the future. If he gets his scrummaging right he'd certainly be the goods I think.

But would you rate him ahead of Campbell Johnstone?
 

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Evans and Newby were robbed.....
They are sensational players, they'd be in any other countrys squad, dare I say starting positions. Evans is a complete player, there's not much wrong with him.
 

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LeagueFanNumeroUno said:
But would you rate him ahead of Campbell Johnstone?

Dunno, haven't seen enough of Johnstone. I was just saying why I think the selectors picked Tialata.
 
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Tialata can play both loosehead and tight may have been the reason for his selection . I can tell you that the media in Samoa is going off right now .
The All Blacks team annoucement was telecast live and all the newspapers front pages and back bages are full of All Blacks pictures and articles .
The reason for this is because there are 12 Samoan in the All Blacks team that was announce.
 
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This is what i feel the All Black Squad, at full strength without any injuries, would have looked like:

* Tony Woodcock (Greg Somerville, Neemia Tialata)
* Anton Oliver (Kevin Mealamu, Derren Witcombe)
* Carl Hayman (John Afoa, Campbell Johnstone)
* Ali Williams (James Ryan, Tom Donnelly)
* Chris Jack (Jono Gibbes, Angus MacDonald)
* Jerry Collins (Sione Lauaki, Chris Newby, Jerome Kaino)
* Richie McCaw (Marty Holah, Josh Blackie, Chris Newby)
* Rodney So’oialo (Nick Williams, Mose Tuiali’i, Chris Masoe)
* Byron Kelleher (Piri Weepu, Jimmy Cowan)
* Daniel Carter (Luke McAlister, Aaron Mauger)
* Sitiveni Sivivatu (Ma’a Nonu, Brent Ward)
* Aaron Mauger (Conrad Smith, Luke McAlister)
* Tana Umaga (Anthony Tuitavake, Mils Muliaina)
* Joe Rocokoko (Doug Howlett, Rico Gear)
* Mils Muliaina (Leon McDonald, Nick Evans)

(Greg Somerville & Neemia Tialata can play both loosehead & tighthead, but with two tightheads already available in John Afoa & Campbell Johnstone, & with Somerville & Tialata being key players, Saimone Taumoepeau - Aucklands loosehead prop - is very unlucky to miss out. Kevin Senio is also slightly edged out.)
 

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