'A' Defender

[Christmas Ape]

Would someone be so kind as to explain to me what an 'A' defender might be?

Daley and Sterling in particular seem to be quite fond of this term and I've been meaning to ask for a while now.

 

[ghoti]

The A Defender is the man in defence closest to the ruck but not at marker.
__________O______________
__________O______________
__________X______________
__________X______________
_X_X_X_X_____X_X_X_X_X_X

The x's in bold are the A Defenders. They are sometimes referred to as pillars.

 

[Christmas Ape]

Thanks ghoti.
Does that make the next closest pair of defenders 'B' defenders?

Here's another one-
When they say 'two passes wide', does that include the initial pass from dummy half?

 

[ghoti]

Thanks ghoti.
Does that make the next closest pair of defenders 'B' defenders?

Here's another one-
When they say 'two passes wide', does that include the initial pass from dummy half?

Yep, that's right as far as I'm aware, but defenders on the outer are often deemed X, Y, Z defenders...terminology is a tough subject in Rugby League as it's largely dependent on who is telling you the rules...some coaches like to name things differently.

Two passes wide does include the dummy half pass...so in a traditional backline movement, two passes wide would be off the 5/8...as in, a pass to the halfback and then a pass to the 5/8.

Any more questions on terminology, stick it in here and I'll try and help you out.

 

[Christmas Ape]

Thanks again, ghoti. Much appreciated.

 

[Balmain_Boy]

If the 2nd pass is a cut out is that still classified as 2 passes wide?

 

[ghoti]

If the 2nd pass is a cut out is that still classified as 2 passes wide?

No, because only one pass was thrown. That would probably be referred to as 'wide of the ruck' or just a cut out pass.

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

i think he means, 1st pass from d/half to 1st receiver and then the 1st reciever throws a cut-out - IMO that is not deemed 2 passes wide, becoz it travels further than 2 normal passes would have gone... but im not sure...

 

[Balmain_Boy]

No, because only one pass was thrown. That would probably be referred to as 'wide of the ruck' or just a cut out pass.

No, I'm saying if there was 2 passes. Dummy half passes to the first receiver and the first receivers cuts out he 2nd. Is that 2 passes wide?

 

[strewth_mate]

Sounds like a matter of context to me; saying '2 passes wide' implies the 2nd receiver, and people think of the 2nd receiver in terms of set plays and things like last tackle options. I get the impression that a 2nd cutout pass, while still being 2 passes wide technically, throws the context of traditional player positions, with respect to the ruck and textbook player roles, out the window. But then I read over than and it's gibberish ;-)

 

[ghoti]

Sounds like a matter of context to me; saying '2 passes wide' implies the 2nd receiver, and people think of the 2nd receiver in terms of set plays and things like last tackle options. I get the impression that a 2nd cutout pass, while still being 2 passes wide technically, throws the context of traditional player positions, with respect to the ruck and textbook player roles, out the window. But then I read over than and it's gibberish ;-)

No, I get what you're saying.

I think in that case it would be just as acceptable to deem that two passes wide as it would be to not deem it anything at all. I think, as you said, that rather than two passes wide - reference to the second receiver is more important. But then again, the game has changed where the 'second receiver' (5/8) rarely plays that role...playing as a second halfback on the opposite side of the ruck.

 

[DJ1]

Would someone be so kind as to explain to me what an 'A' defender might be?

Daley and Sterling in particular seem to be quite fond of this term and I've been meaning to ask for a while now.

It's a protective device which you should wear when playing against Hopoate.

 

[Mr. Fahrenheit]

It's a protective device which you should wear when playing against Hopoate.

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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[yobbo84]

'A defender' is a term Laurie Daley likes to throw around every now and then so people think he actually knows what he's talking about.

 

[innsaneink]

'A defender' is a term Laurie Daley likes to throw around every now and then so people think he actually knows what he's talking about.

I dont think Ive heard it used in any broadcasts (9 or FOX) not that I'm aware of anyway. Though I dont pay much attention to what theyre saying, just focus visually.

 

[Mr Saab]

'A defender' is a term Laurie Daley likes to throw around every now and then so people think he actually knows what he's talking about.

Quality Daley wouldnt do that would he? ;-)

 

[Prodigiousman]

If you want a definition of 'two passes wide'

Just ask Gary Freeman.

He is guaranteed to use that attacking term at least 8-10 (probably more) times when he is commentating.

It drives me nuts, so much so I don't use the term anymore.

A couple of passes out wide will do me...

Two Passes Wide is:
"When two passes are thrown wide from the play the ball - and basically means to give your outside men - centres - the ball as soon as possible to make something happen"

And if you think Gary 'Two Passes Wide' Freeman has an annoying catchphrase then have no fear you'll likely get Andy 'Opportunity KNIGHTS/DRAGONS/STORM' Raymond as his play by play man.

It makes watching Super Saturday very very tough.

Then there's Wayne Pearce... less said about him the better. He's got both 'Two Passes Wide' and 'Opportunity Raymond' covered with his incredibly poor commentary skills.

 

[chunk]

What about 'the edges' I always thought that meant attacking the centres in one in from the centres. Not 100% sure on that term-'the edges'.

And a different term the edge of the ruck would mean the A defenders?

 

[Rise Against]

from what ive been taught edge of the ruck is the distance between A defender and the markers

also from what ive been taught there is A B C defenders.. u will notice dummy half runs are trying to centralise play and will aim at the gap between B and C defenders working them over