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rugged

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What's this?

No New Zealand teams in the top 6 of the super 12? Just 3 Aus teams and 3 South African teams?

What?
 

Poida_Raider

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great stuff.. take a photo now though! before they come back!
i dare say they should come back through a bit, a couple of them anyway. but its good to see the aussies and south africans up the top for a change!
 

bayrep

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What counts against us is the 5 teams we tend to knock our selves out of contention. Before it hadnt mattered so much as you knew you would generally winyour home games and you would pick up atleast 1 away game in Aus and SA now we cant even win our home games let alone away games. I would predict at least 1 NZ side to make the final 4, 2 to be in side the top 6.

If I was a Tah's fan I would be wondering if this is the begining of the slide down the ladder they make every year ;-)
 

rugged

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Is the draw the same every year as the Reds always seem to have hard games first and the Waratahs always have easy games first.

Makes the Reds look worse than they are and the Waratahs look better than they are.

Will the draws always be like that as it must make it difficult for the Reds to get sponsors, public support and bums on seats.
 

JVinAZ

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rugged said:
No New Zealand teams in the top 6 of the super 12? Just 3 Aus teams and 3 South African teams?

Actually South Africa has 4 franchises.

bayrep said:
What counts against us is the 5 teams we tend to knock our selves out of contention.

Not quite true in this case. Only 3 of the the 10 all-NZ S12 matches have been played thus far. Last year's finalists, and this year's favorites, the Blues and the Crusaders, have simply not played well against the much maligned Chiefs, and non-NZ opponants. The primary reason that none NZ teams are in the top 6 is that 2 of the 5 NZ franchises have played only 3 matches, while the rest of the competition has played 4. Assuming that the Chiefs win their next match, thsy will likely enter the top 6. This will even out over time.

rugged said:
Is the draw the same every year as the Reds always seem to have hard games first and the Waratahs always have easy games first.

If I were a Reds fan, I wouldn't complain much. True, based on 2003 resusults, the Reds first 4 opponants placed an average of of 5th commpared to the 'tah 8.75. Given 2004 form, this comparison is 9.25 v. 7.25. Given that both teams have played 3 home matches, and assuming that that the Chiefs continue to play to their 2004 form, the schedules are identical.

If anyone has reason to complain about the schedule, it is my team the Sharks. After a third of the competition, the Sharks harks have yet to play a match in Durban. The average placement of opponents in 2003 is 6th and id 2004 3.75. In spite of this dissadvantage, the Sharks are currently 6th inS12.
 

rugged

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Firstly, I know S.A. has 4 teams - one is in the bottom 6 though.

Secondly, why have these crazy schedules that disadvantage some teams?
 

JVinAZ

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rugged said:
Secondly, why have these crazy schedules that disadvantage some teams?

While I personnally would love to see the S12 be a true 22 week Home ane home comp, I don't see either NZ or SA sacrifising their very successful domestic competitions for an expanded S12.

I work for the world's largest travel agency, and I can safely say that 1 four week Aus and NZ tour by the 4 SA franchises cost about 60% of two 2 week trips. Given this, the schedule pattern is unlikely to change,
 
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