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Aussie selectors did a good job

HevyDevy

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You would like to think so but I'm not sure Sutherland has any idea what he's doing so I wouldn't be holding my breath.

If all they're saying is 'We lost to a better side' then they are obviously refusing to recognise the many, many shortcomings in Australian cricket right now.
 

TheParraboy

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yes I agree, great job we didnt lose 5 tests by an innings, only 3

marvelous effort to all


/sacrcasm
 

Jono1987

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Not sure why you seem so surprised Hevy?

Absolving one self of any blame is Hilditch's signature move.
 

hineyrulz

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What a deluded f**kwit, we never had a chance with a Plonker like him in charge. *waits for Sutherland to give him a 5 yr extension......
 

Hallatia

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I thought this article did a good job assessing the problem
Australia in crisis, but also in denial
Peter English at the SCG
January 7, 2011
Michael Clarke does not think Australian cricket is in crisis, but there can be no other description after what has happened over the past seven weeks. The elite game in the country has collapsed on and off the field during a record Ashes thrashing, from coaching and selection to more mundane matters like batting and bowling.

Despite all of this James Sutherland, the chief executive, is happy with the head coach, the selectors and the players - just not the result. Andrew Hilditch, the chairman of selectors, is not resigning and is pleased with the form of the four decision makers. "I think we've done a very good job as a selection panel, but the reality is we were totally out-played," he said. He was being serious.

Tim Nielsen, the coach, was reasonable enough to avoid praising himself and settled on saying that he had tried his best. Nobody has been accused of not trying, just of not being very good, or doing the right things. Yet nobody is resigning and nobody is being sacked.

All the onwards-and-upwards generals are talking about moving forward, but they have to hope Australia have hit the bottom first. Hilditch said the team's next two Test tours, against Sri Lanka and South Africa later in the year, would be even tougher than this one. His contract is up after the World Cup and it would be a sensible time to resign.

The three innings defeats have given Australia their worst thrashing of any series. Twenty-four years ago, when England last raised the urn here, the hosts were also in crisis. On that occasion it was due to the aftermath of the Lillee-Marsh-Chappell retirements and the exits of the rebels to South Africa. Everybody knew it was the worst of times.

This time the Test team was at full-strength and the result was even worse. Australia started the series as favourites but when the end came at the SCG, in front of a bouncing Barmy Army, England finished with a 3-1 victory. The innings-and-83-run triumph reverberated as much as the singing of the tourists.

For the Australians in the middle, it was a time to look at the ground. The pose has been a familiar one over the past two years, starting with a home defeat to South Africa and continuing with losses to England, India, a draw with Pakistan, and now this.

"I don't think there's a crisis in Australian cricket at all," Clarke said firmly. He was in a difficult position as the stand-in captain following his first Test in charge. The Ashes were gone before he had stepped into Ricky Ponting's shoes and his men did no better or worse than in the two other defeats.

"We need a lot of improvement in our game in all areas," Clarke said. "But I do believe we have the talent and potential in that change room to do it. We've seen through this series that guys have stood up at different times, but we're way too inconsistent to win a big series."

Like "disappointed", "improvement" is another word that drops off the tongues of beaten Aussies. Nielsen, in particular, uses it a lot, especially over the past year. When asked, given the number of poor series since the 2009 Ashes loss, which of his players had improved over the past six months he took a long pause.

"It depends on how you measure improvement," he said. "If we sit back and look at the series results it would be easy to say none of us have." After outlining the team's trouble with "adjusting to game situations", he nominated Michael Hussey, Shane Watson and Peter Siddle as ones who had improved.

Seventeen players were used in this series and only three of the Australians were worthy of mention. Ryan Harris, who is now injured, was the only other one who deserved to be included in that tiny group. It is not a glowing endorsement of the players or the coaching staff.

So what should happen at the end of a non-crisis? Cricket Australia is planning a review, which it does annually anyway, and Sutherland said nothing should be discounted, even though he has faith in all the major departments. Unlike an Australian batting collapse, the post-mortem won't happen quickly. A structure has to be determined and it has to be ratified by the board.

"I'm firmly of the view that you can't expect to get back on top by doing the same things and just simply plugging away," Sutherland said. "You have to look at where you're up to, how things are delivered and your approach, and that will certainly be part of a review that will happen in the coming weeks."

Clarke said the team was "as close to rock bottom as it gets", but if he is asked to contribute to the review he will counsel against mass changes. "We've got to become better players, we've got to become a better team." The answer nobody could give was how it would happen.

Before all that there is the World Cup, in which Australia are defending champions. Ponting will be back from his broken finger to aim for a fourth consecutive trophy. However, Hilditch wouldn't endorse him as the Test leader for their next series against Sri Lanka in August. "I wouldn't be blaming the captain [for the Ashes result]," Hilditch said. "They played better than us. Unfortunately people have to accept that's just what happened."

Hilditch answered casually when asked how much of the result was his fault. "I take responsibility for doing the best job I can possible for Australian cricket," he said. "It's what I've always done, I have a great passion for it and still want to do it. I'm sure we'll get through this stage."

Despite admitting they were out-bowled, out-batted and out-thought, Cricket Australia's top employees can't bring themselves to say they are in a crisis. Or apportion any blame for a summer filled with disasters. It would be funny if it wasn't so serious.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2010-11/content/story/495801.html?CMP=chrome
I thought the Australian team hated losing more than anything, but these guys seem to have their heads so far up eachother's bums...
 

beads6

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Well you are not going to come out and say we are in a crisis.... It is obvious we are but I wouldn't come out screaming we are in a crisis.
 

Mr Angry

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It is not a crisis, we lost to the better team.

We need to improve, but f**k me, you are all carring on like we would lose to NZ. That would be a crisis.

England are a good side and beat us.

As for the selectors, I do think they did a good job (could have been better) - in this series- they failed before that.

Chappell however seems to have changed it.

Johnson was dropped, then bought back for a match winning spell.

North was finally dropped.

The persisted with the Huss and it paid.

They bought in new blood, the made Ricky sit out one, they gave Clarke a chance in the right game.

The biggest failure was either persisting with the extremely selfish Watson at opener, or the spinner, to be fair all our spinners are crap, but at least they chose a young fella in Beer.

As much as I love the rug, it was the correct decision to drop him at the time.

Siddle was a good choice.

I think you all forget the stocks are low.
 

beads6

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I think Steve Waugh needs to be a selector or coach so he better put his hand up for a job.
 

aqua_duck

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It is not a crisis, we lost to the better team.

We need to improve, but f**k me, you are all carring on like we would lose to NZ. That would be a crisis.

England are a good side and beat us.

As for the selectors, I do think they did a good job (could have been better) - in this series- they failed before that.

Chappell however seems to have changed it.

Johnson was dropped, then bought back for a match winning spell.

North was finally dropped.

The persisted with the Huss and it paid.

They bought in new blood, the made Ricky sit out one, they gave Clarke a chance in the right game.

The biggest failure was either persisting with the extremely selfish Watson at opener, or the spinner, to be fair all our spinners are crap, but at least they chose a young fella in Beer.

As much as I love the rug, it was the correct decision to drop him at the time.

Siddle was a good choice.

I think you all forget the stocks are low.
Is that you Andrew?
EVeryone needs to be accountable, Its an absolutely ridiculous state of affairs. Firstly Nielson and Cooley were are 2 of the main architects in the fall of Australian cricket seem to have jobs for life. Nielson has proven himself to be useless and seems to get contract extension after contract extension. Cooley who has been found who to be a fraud is given perhaps the most important job in the country overseeing the next generation.
The selectors were crap, North should not have even been given 2 tests, Beer should never have been picked, same as Doherty, Hilfenhaus was a disaster, and Hughes was terrible. Surely Khawaja needed to come in earlier, before the series was effectively over, Hauritz should never have been dropped, especially for 2 of the biggest nuffies to play for Australia since McGain. The selectors totally ignored form, they picked Hughes who was terribly out of form, Smith who seemed a shadow of the 09/10 version, Hilfenhaus even though he hardly ever looked like taking a wicket, and Beer who has never shown any form to speak of in his career. Meanwhile in state cricket, Hauritz, and O'keefe are killing them, Copeland and Cameron were amongst the leading wicket takers in shield cricket, in fact Cameron and O'Keefe actually troubled the poms in Hobart for Aus A, Marsh and Cosgrove were making runs and none of them even rate a mention
 

yappy

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The failure of the selectors wasn't in this series. It was the last 18 months. Changes had to be made 18 months ago after we lost the Ashes, then we might have had the chance to at least get some new blood used to the rigours of Test Cricket before the Ashes. We probably were never going to win this series, but by crossing our fingers and hanging with old guys on the down slope or others who haven't shown any significant improvement we made it too easy for the Poms.
 

Munky

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The worst thing that happened was the test in Sydney vs Pakistan at the beginning of last year.

The "come back" and Kamran Akmal delayed the much needed purge until following this series.

Between that test and the Ashes how many tests did we play? Surely enough to break in a few newbies. Hell we had New Zealand to blood a few new players against.

We Probably still would have lost this series but we would be thinking about how our young guns would be rearing to go in 2013.

Instead we're all just waiting to see what South Africa and India will do to us next season.
 

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