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Bennett's snubbing of McGregor

RedVDave

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How Wayne Bennett's snubbing proved the making of St George Illawarra Dragons coach Paul McGregor


Paul McGregor calls it his sliding doors moment. When Wayne Bennett came to St George Illawarra and showed "Mary", then a strength and conditioning coach, the exit.
"I was there for a number of years and Wayne came in in 2009," McGregor recalled.
"Obviously he brought Jeremy Hickmans in from Brisbane, which I fully understand. I wasn't coaching then, I was doing performance, strength and conditioning. Wayne wanted to bring someone in he could totally trust and knew what was needed.

"It's a sliding door. Out one, into another. If I'd stayed with Wayne, who knows whether I'd be coaching? I never look back at anything with too much agony, I look at it as an opportunity.
"It was hard for me then though, I'll be honest. I've been around rugby league for a lot of years and at that time I was no longer on the staff for State of Origin and Country and things like that. To lose all that, as well as your role day to day after 18 years, it was certainly a big change.
"It was a good opportunity for me to learn. It was part of the opportunity to become a coach in the future."
It wasn't the last twist of fate involving Bennett. McGregor will square off against Bennett's Broncos on Friday night, but the former NSW and Australian three-quarter was almost squeezed out of the Red V again.
When Bennett decided to leave Newcastle, the Dragons did everything possible to lure him back. St George Illawarra officials were so confident they had their man they even signed his recruitment manager, Peter Mullholland, from the Knights. It was only a conversation with Lachlan Murdoch that delivered the seven-time premiership-winning coach back to Brisbane. Asked earlier this year how close he was to recommitting to the Dragons instead, Bennett admitted: "I was only 12 hours away".
Again, the door slid open just in time for McGregor to find his calling as a head coach. McGregor has a fatalistic attitude to such things, but concedes his initial snubbing prompted him to re-evaluate his outlook.
Forced out of the NRL, he dedicated himself to his True Blue Chemicals business while getting his league fix as coach of local side Wests, a side that hadn't won a premiership in 18 years. When McGregor joined, they won three straight. A coaching career, which may not have eventuated had he remained under Bennett, was born.
"When there is change, it always hurts," McGregor said of his emergence from the crossroads.
"But when you get time to think about it, it's always for the better. When you think things are at the worst, they usually are and when you think there's an opportunity in something, there usually is.
"I took the approach - and this is the way I want my players and staff to look at it - is if you look at things one way, that's the way it goes. If you look at things another way you can come out the other end."
When the Dragons hosted the Broncos in round seven, they prevailed in a thriller to end a run of eight straight losses to Brisbane. The stakes will be higher in Friday's Suncorp Stadium rematch. Brisbane is clinging to top spot on the ladder on percentages, needing a victory to snap a two-game losing streak and keep alive their hopes of taking out the minor premiership.
The Dragons have emerged from a horror seven-game losing streak with back-to-back wins, but need to continue that momentum or risk falling out of the top eight.
In a boost for the visitors, local junior Yaw Kiti Glymin re-signed until the end of 2017. The 22-year-old, who can play on the wing or in the centres, made his NRL debut against the Cowboys in round 17.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...l-mcgregor-20150812-gixdz2.html#ixzz3iaLyqe41
 

RedVDragon

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Wayne knew Mary was a treat so he moved him on. He keeps Price cause he knew he is soft and a yes man. Mary would have challenged the status quo. Wayne walked into a ready made team that was ready to win the title. A team Mary played a huge part in their development.
 

winnie the pooh

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People read too much into Bennett getting rid of McGregor. Bennett was going to have Hickman on board regardless of whether it was Mary, Price, Gould or whoever was strength/conditioning guru at the time.
 

Mr Red

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McGregor as performance coach = one of the worst injury tolls in the clubs history
Hickman = proved to get previously injury prone guys like weyman to have the best seasons of his career....

Do the maths..
 

bottle

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People read too much into Bennett getting rid of McGregor. Bennett was going to have Hickman on board regardless of whether it was Mary, Price, Gould or whoever was strength/conditioning guru at the time.

This. The whole thing is so overplayed as to be pathetic.
 

RedVDave

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McGregor as performance coach = one of the worst injury tolls in the clubs history
Hickman = proved to get previously injury prone guys like weyman to have the best seasons of his career....

Do the maths..

I definitely agree with this Mary has proven to be a pretty good coach so far but as performance coach "Shutters" besides which he has always remained with the club I remember going to a few post match functions during the 'golden era' and he was always there top bloke and love the way he talks.
 

Rob Dragon

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I am not sure what McGregor's credentials were to have been appointed S&C coach. That seems like a reasonably technical position and I remember thinking at the time that this was simply a "job for the boys" appointment. To that end Bennett was always going to bring a true professional with him for that job.

Having said that McGregor has enjoyed a really good history to enable him to transition to coaching. He is a former player (international to boot). He is from the area (has a passion for the club). Runs a successful business ( knows how to make hard decisions). Has done an apprentice (served his time) and has surrounded himself with excellent support staff (not afraid to delegate).

I am happy for him and I am happy that he is our coach.
 

dino2170

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A PRETTY GOOD COACH-sacrificing speed to defence, putting rookies in key positions, NO F@@@@@ ATTACK, NO NEW STRUCTURES, recruiting has beens, AND INSISTING GREEN IS A PLAYER.
 

hewi

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A PRETTY GOOD COACH-sacrificing speed to defence, putting rookies in key positions, NO F@@@@@ ATTACK, NO NEW STRUCTURES, recruiting has beens, AND INSISTING GREEN IS A PLAYER.

Get a life. What about the last two games.
 

blacksafake

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A PRETTY GOOD COACH-sacrificing speed to defence, putting rookies in key positions, NO F@@@@@ ATTACK, NO NEW STRUCTURES, recruiting has beens, AND INSISTING GREEN IS A PLAYER.
The spine are the key positions & in case you haven't seen many games so far ours is Benji,Gareth,Duges all test players & Rein hardly a rookie & has played city/country rep.:?
 

The Nick

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McGregor as performance coach = one of the worst injury tolls in the clubs history
Hickman = proved to get previously injury prone guys like weyman to have the best seasons of his career....

Do the maths..

I'm curious because a few people have referenced this stat before... How did Mary as performance coach cause a horror injury toll... Like what factors influenced by Mary do you assume made our players so injury prone? And in contrast, how does Hickmans' methods make players less injury prone?

And the issue with Weyman was he was always horribly unfit and overweight during his Canberra days. He lost A LOT of weight under Bennett and as a result his leg injuries became less significant.
 

BennyV

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I am not sure what McGregor's credentials were to have been appointed S&C coach.

They were similar to his credentials to take over as head coach...

Having said that McGregor has enjoyed a really good history to enable him to transition to coaching. He is a former player (international to boot). He is from the area (has a passion for the club). Runs a successful business ( knows how to make hard decisions). Has done an apprentice (served his time) and has surrounded himself with excellent support staff (not afraid to delegate).

Thanks Dousty. But literally none of these translate to being a good head coach. Fittler and Kearny were former internationals, and look at their coaching careers. Passion for the club adds little to coaching ability, as does running a business. His apprenticeship was an unsuccessful couple of seasons with Cutters and half a season under the worst coach in JV History. And his excellent support staff aint all that excellent - Deano and Hornbag are both brimming with coaching potential but need experience somewhere other than the boys club, and Millward adds littlr to nothing. I still believe that if we are going to push for a title in the next 2 years, Mary needs to add some fresh ideas to his team.

I am happy for him and I am happy that he is our coach.

As am I, and I'm particularly glad that I was wrong about him. He has my full support at the moment. But lets not pretend his appointment was done in the best way or to best benefit the fortunes of the team. After constant appointments of old boys to the coaching ranks, one was bound to work. Broken clock and all that...
 

BennyV

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I'm curious because a few people have referenced this stat before... How did Mary as performance coach cause a horror injury toll... Like what factors influenced by Mary do you assume made our players so injury prone? And in contrast, how does Hickmans' methods make players less injury prone?

It could be anything, its impossible to say without seeing the training, preparation, recovery and conditioning methods employed by each. There was a LOT of 'soft tissue' injuries under Mary's reign that disappeared with Hickmans, who was clearly more qualified in the field of sports science. But there are countless factors that lead to injuries that COULD have been directly attributed to McGregor's methods. Again, impossible to say without knowing said methods.

Best recent case is that of James Tedesco. Kid always had talent, but for the past few years has struggled to string games together withour copping a leg injury. Not just in top grade btw. Taylor came in and his team identified an issue with Teddys running style, trained him to amend it, and hes got a full season out so far. Good S&C can work wonders.
 

Slippery Morris

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What about them. Great wins, against the last placed team and a demoralised Warriors sans Johnson.

Wow Saints beat the Warriors minus Johnson is a not god enough for some? It was the same Warriors team minus Johnson that the full strength Sharks beat 18-16 the week before?

No matter what Saints do some people will never be happy.
 

Mr Red

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I'm curious because a few people have referenced this stat before... thats because it happened.

How did Mary as performance coach cause a horror injury toll... Like what factors influenced by Mary do you assume made our players so injury prone?

injuries were far higher than other clubs, and also at the time the dragons had an excessive amount of knee and hamstring injuries sustained by players.. such consistencies indicate something amiss with the training and conditioning plan rather than just bad luck. (although i am not a doctor, just applying some logic like everyone else who has also come to the same conclusion)

And in contrast, how does Hickmans' methods make players less injury prone?

(best to ask Mr Bennett. but i do know our injuries reduced and the total number of weeks players were unavailable due to injuries decreased dramatically - there was a stat published to demonstrate this fact a few years ago but i dont have it available)

And the issue with Weyman was he was always horribly unfit and overweight during his Canberra days. He lost A LOT of weight under Bennett and as a result his leg injuries became less significant.

no argument there and thats my point... better training plans equals fitter players equals more game time

 

Slippery Morris

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Mary can't make 2 many changes in 1 season, he is no miracle worker. Not even Bennett could have repaired the Saints after the mess Price left. The changes will come gradually. 1st step was to get the boys playing good footy again, winning back the fans trust and getting some respect back in the jersey. Price caused so much damage and made a mockery of the place. Saints were a laughing stock and the team was considered soft. They have been in the top 8 more weeks this year than the last 3 years so improvements are showing already. They were even top 4 mid season. Nobody that knows rugby league would have expected that at the start of the season that is for sure.

Mary has fixed that. Next is to make them a premiership force and I am sure if he gets more depth and strengthens a few positions he will achieve that.
 

Slippery Morris

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Ronnie Palmer is Penrith S&C. He must be just as bad as Mary. Too many injuries at Penrith.....

Your kidding aren't you blaming Mary for injuries. You do realise NRL is a full contact sport with many collisions so injuries will happen no matter who you are. Especially if you have a surname STANLEY.
 

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