Bloody Irish ref

[Parra]

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[Te Kaha]

Bloody aussie cheats!!!!... looked like a delibrate plan to kill the ball... Aussie was just lucky he wasnt his card happy self...

 

[Parra]

I was thinking more of the scrum.

Both sides went free-for-all in the ruck once they worked out he was making up his own rules.

Staying on your feet must be a thing of the past.

 

[Te Kaha]

I was thinking more of the scrum.

Both sides went free-for-all in the ruck once they worked out he was making up his own rules.

Staying on your feet must be a thing of the past.

The scrums were a bit of a free for all... but thats more to do with the underfoot conditions i think... they couldnt get any decent footing.... oh.. plus Aussies cant scrummage...

 

[kia ora storm]

The Aussie scrum was an absolute joke...the frontrow had no answers and will get dominated by the Europeans.

Phil Waugh should give it away...once again owned by McCaw.

 

[Parra]

The Aussie scrum was an absolute joke...the frontrow had no answers and will get dominated by the Europeans.

Phil Waugh should give it away...once again owned by McCaw.

Under refs instructions they basically had to capitulate to the kiwi cheats.

 

[kia ora storm]

Under refs instructions they basically had to capitulate to the kiwi cheats.

How was the kiwi front row cheating...because they hit lower, because they could actually hold their position on the hit, because they had the power to push the Aussie pie eaters mascarading as the Wallabies from row off their position...

Which part is cheating ???...:roll:

 

[Parra]

How was the kiwi front row cheating...because they hit lower, because they could actually hold their position on the hit, because they had the power to push the Aussie pie eaters mascarading as the Wallabies from row off their position...

Which part is cheating ???./quote]

The Aussies were penalised for hitting harder and lower.

The cheating involved the kiwi method of crouch, don't touch, pause, hold back. The Aussies then crunch in and the poor All Blacks act hard done by.

It was the cowards way out. But it worked.

Once the Aussies were trained by the ref into crouch, touch (kiwis still don't bother), pause, meekly bind the All Blacks has a field day.

If the kiwis are so good at scrummaging -and the are - they shouldn't have to resort to this sort of crap. But it seems ingrained into the AB psyche. At least the world cup results prove that cheats rarely prosper. When the going gets tough, they have nothing to fall back on. Except thuggery, and a bit of that crept into the game when they were down in the first half.

 

[kia ora storm]

How was the kiwi front row cheating...because they hit lower, because they could actually hold their position on the hit, because they had the power to push the Aussie pie eaters mascarading as the Wallabies from row off their position...

Which part is cheating ???./quote]

The Aussies were penalised for hitting harder and lower.

The cheating involved the kiwi method of crouch, don't touch, pause, hold back. The Aussies then crunch in and the poor All Blacks act hard done by.

It was the cowards way out. But it worked.

Once the Aussies were trained by the ref into crouch, touch (kiwis still don't bother), pause, meekly bind the All Blacks has a field day.

If the kiwis are so good at scrummaging -and the are - they shouldn't have to resort to this sort of crap. But it seems ingrained into the AB psyche. At least the world cup results prove that cheats rarely prosper. When the going gets tough, they have nothing to fall back on. Except thuggery, and a bit of that crept into the game when they were down in the first half.

Thuggery...please. Give me an example ??...

It was a good tough game...nothing more.

 

[Te Kaha]

How was the kiwi front row cheating...because they hit lower, because they could actually hold their position on the hit, because they had the power to push the Aussie pie eaters mascarading as the Wallabies from row off their position...

Which part is cheating ???./quote]

The Aussies were penalised for hitting harder and lower.

The cheating involved the kiwi method of crouch, don't touch, pause, hold back. The Aussies then crunch in and the poor All Blacks act hard done by.

It was the cowards way out. But it worked.

Once the Aussies were trained by the ref into crouch, touch (kiwis still don't bother), pause, meekly bind the All Blacks has a field day.

If the kiwis are so good at scrummaging -and the are - they shouldn't have to resort to this sort of crap. But it seems ingrained into the AB psyche. At least the world cup results prove that cheats rarely prosper. When the going gets tough, they have nothing to fall back on. Except thuggery, and a bit of that crept into the game when they were down in the first half.

I have seen some horse sh*t on these forums... but that takes the case... the only time aussie got any dominence was on the early hits... any time the hit was simultaneous the aussie front row buckled and chewed turf.. and where rightly penalised...

You did know that there was an edict from the IRB late last year to speed up the engagement.. and the touch isnt really required... Aussie have improved... but your props are still unable to hold their weight and buckle THATS why the aussie front row is still the world laughing stock... oh that and dumpling Dunning...

 

[Parra]

Thuggery...please. Give me an example ??...

It was a good tough game...nothing more.

A couple of off the ball cheap shots. Just a bit of ill discipline when they were a bit under pressure. A couple of penalties in range and it stopped.

I agree - good tough game and nothing more.

 

[Parra]

I have seen some horse sh*t on these forums... but that takes the case... the only time aussie got any dominence was on the early hits... any time the hit was simultaneous the aussie front row buckled and chewed turf.. and where rightly penalised...

You did know that there was an edict from the IRB late last year to speed up the engagement.. and the touch isnt really required... Aussie have improved... but your props are still unable to hold their weight and buckle THATS why the aussie front row is still the world laughing stock... oh that and dumpling Dunning...

I'm not suggesting the NZ scrum is weak - far from it. So much so, that the piss-weak tactics are not required. But they do it anyway. Each time the scrum packs, the loose head flanker drives in at an angle - that sort of garbage that they just shouldn't get away with.

 

[Te Kaha]

I'm not suggesting the NZ scrum is weak - far from it. So much so, that the piss-weak tactics are not required. But they do it anyway. Each time the scrum packs, the loose head flanker drives in at an angle - that sort of garbage that they just shouldn't get away with.

EVERY team does that including aussie... it only works if you have a decent front row... if Aussie did... there wouldnt be an issue... if you cant hold the weight you have no right being in an international team...

 

[Parra]

EVERY team does that including aussie... it only works if you have a decent front row... if Aussie did... there wouldnt be an issue... if you cant hold the weight you have no right being in an international team...

The strength of the aussie front row is not an issue. The most infamous example from this test was when Lewis penalised Baxter from the opposite side of the scrum, when clearly the AB front row collapsed.

Aussies were also penalised for going in too low & too hard & early on their own feed. The ref ruined the scrum contest.

 

[Alehana]

a quality team shouldn't blame the ref for being on the opposition side, of course the ref is neutral if hes not he shouldn't be reffing, once they start complaining then they are half way to losing the game, they should be worring about whats in their control and instead of blamming the ref for the poor decisions they should be thinking of ways to get up on the oppositions,

i'm not saying the aussies did this, but we dont know if they did or didn't, every team gets a dodgy ref, look at Nz in RWC quater finales, Barnes, it happenes...

oh and Al baxter, and Benn Robinson, would not make the All Blacks,

 

[Te Kaha]

The strength of the aussie front row is not an issue. The most infamous example from this test was when Lewis penalised Baxter from the opposite side of the scrum, when clearly the AB front row collapsed.

Bollox... they were penalised on the touch judges say so... the front rows went down because baxter unbound ... that caused them to go down.

Aussies were also penalised for going in too low & too hard & early on their own feed. The ref ruined the scrum contest.

he was right to penalise for going to early... its the only way aussie can have a good scrum.. they know they cant hold up on an even hit... they have to hit early... illegally...
The going in to low is a safety issue... the neck and head must be above the waist... its is a rule!!... the aussie front row tried to get an advantage by going lower... again illegally...

The aussies will always be penalised in the scrums until the find a front row who can scrumage properly.

 

[kia ora storm]

I have seen some horse sh*t on these forums... but that takes the case... the only time aussie got any dominence was on the early hits... any time the hit was simultaneous the aussie front row buckled and chewed turf.. and where rightly penalised...

You did know that there was an edict from the IRB late last year to speed up the engagement.. and the touch isnt really required... Aussie have improved... but your props are still unable to hold their weight and buckle THATS why the aussie front row is still the world laughing stock... oh that and dumpling Dunning...

Exactly...you could see from the start that the Aussie Frot row were getting owned by the AB's.

They had no answer and have major weaknesses it this area..until they get this right they will struggle.

 

[Parra]

We had the AB's on toast, front row included, until the ref intervened to even it up.

Nothing to beat your chest over.

 

[Te Kaha]

We had the AB's on toast, front row included, until the ref intervened to even it up.

Nothing to beat your chest over.

Thats so much horsesh*t... the first half the AB backline was an experiment.... gave Aussie free reign... The Aussie forward pack tried to be agressive but resorted to cheating... and were penalised..

The better team won.

 

[kia ora storm]

We had the AB's on toast, front row included, until the ref intervened to even it up.

Nothing to beat your chest over.

Yep...you had them on toast for all of 5 minutes.

Giteau beats his chest for one moment of magic yet Carter plays consistently above standard the whole of the second half that leads to the AB's dominating rucks, territory and kicking for position.

Keep blaming the ref..try blaming the players for lack of execution in set plays.