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There has been talk about the eligibility issue in RL, so this information about the RWC will provide some interesting background.
http://www.planetrugby.com/TOURNAMENTS/World_Cup_2003/Tournament_News/story_32379.shtml
Born here, play there 05/11/03
Some surprising figures
Joe Rokocoko, the New Zealand wing, said recently that he was looking forward to playing for the country of his birth, Fiji. In terms of the IRB's present regulations, that is no longer possible. Once a player has played for a country, its 'A' team and, in some cases possibly, its Sevens team, he is committed to that country. The old binationals, like Tiaan Strauss (South Africa and Australia), Matt Pini (Australia and Italy) and Jamie Salmon (New Zealand and England) can no longer happen.
There is a general perception that New Zealand takes players from the islands. The islands, surprisingly for some who believe all the traffic is New Zealand-wards, also have players born in New Zealand.
In fact the country with most foreign-born players at the 2003 Rugby World Cup is Samoa, though many of the Samoans born in New Zealand have dual (Samoan and New Zealand) nationality and record their home village in Samoa. The country which sends most of its birthlings abroad is New Zealand.
We have two lists of players at the 2003 Rugby World Cup - donors (i.e. countries of birth) and recipients (i.e. countries played in).
These are the ones we have been able to find. There are likely to be others. If anybody knows of any, we could always add them.
It's fun!
We are dealing only with the World Cup and have included only countries playing at the World Cup, which means that we do not have a category for Zambia where three players were born - George Gregan (Australia), Corné Krige (South Africa) and Dafydd James (Wales). They were all born in Lusaka. Then Christo Bezuidenhout (South Africa) was born in the Canary Islands, but we have not included Spain as a birthplace nor have we included Trinidad where Ed Knaggs of Canada was born.
Donor countries
These are the countries of birth of players who play elsewhere, their playing countries in brackets.
Argentina: Gonzalo Canale (Italy), Martin Castrogiovanni (Italy), Ramiro Martinez (Italy), Santiago Dellape (Italy), Sergio Parisse (Italy), Juan Andres Perez (Uruguay) (six players)
Australia: James Pritchard (Canada), Quintin Fyffe (Canada), Jeff Reid (Canada), Steve Devine (New Zealand), Ben Hinshelwood (Scotland), Rob Russell (Scotland), Nathan Hines (Scotland), John Payne (Tonga), Kain Cross (USA), Brent Cockbain (Wales) (10 players)
Canada: Frank Sheahan (Ireland)
England: Kevin Maggs (Ireland), Malcolm O'Kelly (Ireland), Guy Easterby (Ireland), Simon Easterby (Ireland), Ross Beattie (Scotland), Andy Craig (Scotland), Tom Smith (Scotland), Andrew Henderson (Scotland), Richard Liddington (USA), Iestyn Harris (Wales), Tom Shanklin (Wales), Colin Charvis (Wales) (12 players)
Fiji: Lote Tuqiri (Australia), Joe Rokocoko (New Zealand) (two players)
France: Grégoire Yachvili (Georgia)
Ireland: Kyran Bracken (England)
New Zealand: Jeremy Paul (Australia), Nicky Little (Fiji), Greg Smith (Fiji), Isikeli Nacewa (Fiji), Tony Marsh (France), Rima Wakarua (Italy), Scott Palmer (Italy), Aaron Persico (Italy), Matthew Phillips (Italy), Andrew Miller (Japan), Adam Parker (Japan), Georgia Konia (Japan), Ruben Parker (Japan), Sailosi Tagicakibau (Samoa), Dale Rasmussen (Samoa), Fa'atonu Fili (Samoa), Romi Ropati (Samoa), Earl Va'a (Samoa), Tanner Vili (Samoa), Lome Fa'atau (Samoa), Dominic Feaunati (Samoa), Kas Lealamanu'a (Samoa), Tamato Leupolu (Samoa), Leo Lafaiali'i (Samoa), Kitiona Viliamu (Samoa), Michael von Dincklage (Samoa), Patrick Segi (Samoa), Martin Leslie (Scotland), Glenn Metcalfe (Scotland), Cameron Mather (Scotland), Selilo Martens (Tonga), Gus Leger (Tonga), David Palu (Tonga), Stanley Afeaki (Tonga), Nisifolo Naufahu (Tonga), Milton Ngauamo (Tonga), Sateki Tu'ipolotu (Tonga), Sonny Parker (Wales) (38 players)
Romania:Cristian Stoica (Italy)
Samoa: Mils Muliaina (New Zealand), Jerry Collins (New Zealand), Rodney So'oialo (New Zealand) (three players)
South Africa: Mike Catt (England), Stuart Abbott (England), Brian Liebenberg (France), Kevin Dalzell (USA), Jurie Gouws (USA), Rian van Zyl (USA), Jason Keyter (USA), Gerhard Klerck (USA), Phillip Eloff (USA), Daniel Vickerman (Australia), Gert Peens (Italy) (11 players)
Tonga: Oloseti Fifita (USA), Salesi Sika (USA) (two players)
USA: Ronan O'Gara (Ireland)
Wales: Dorian West (England)
Recipients
The following are the countries who have benefited from players who have come to them after being born elsewhere. The main beneficiaries are Samoa, Italy, Scotland, the USA and Tonga.
Australia: Jeremy Paul, Lote Tuqiri, Daniel Vickerman (three players)
Canada: James Pritchard, Quintin Fyffe, Jeff Reid (three players)
England: Kyran Bracken, Mike Catt, Stuart Abbott, Dorian West (four players)
Fiji: Nicky Little, Isikeli Nacewa, Greg Smith (three players)
France: Brian Liebenberg, Tony Marsh (two players)
Georgia: Grégoire Yachvili
Ireland: Guy Easterby, Simon Easterby, Kevin Maggs, Malcolm O'Kelly, Ronan O'Gara, Frank Sheahan (six players)
Italy: Gonzalo Canale, Martin Castrogiovanni, Santiago Dellape, Ramiro Martinez, Scott Palmer, Sergio Parisse, Gert Peens, Aaron Persico, Matthew Phillips, Cristian Stoica, Rima Wakarua (11 players)
Japan: Andrew Miller, Adam Parker, Georgia Konia, Rueben Parkinson (four players)
New Zealand: Jerry Collins, Steve Devine, Mils Muliaina, Joe Rokocoko, Rodney So'oialo (five players)
Samoa: Sailosi Tagicakibau, Dale Rasmussen, Fa'atonu Fili, Romi Ropati, Earl Va'a, Tanner Vili, Lome Fa'atau, Dominic Feaunati, Kas Lealamanu'a, Tamato Leupolu, Leo Lafaiali'i, Kitiona Viliamu, Michael von Dincklage, Patrick Segi (14 players)
Scotland: Ross Beattie, Andy Craig, Andrew Henderson, Ben Hinshelwood, Martin Leslie, Glenn Metcalfe, Cameron Mather, Nathan Hines, Rob Russell, Tom Smith (10 players)
Tonga: Stanley Afeaki, Gus Leger, Selilo Martens, Nisifolo Naufahu, Milton Ngauamo, David Palu, John Payne, Sateki Tu'ipolotu (eight players)
Uruguay: Juan Andres Perez
USA: Kain Cross, Kevin Dalzell, Phillip Eloff, Ofisa Fifita, Jurie Gouws, Jason Keyter, Gerhard Klerck, John Liddington, Salesi Sika, Riaan van Zyl (10 players)
Wales: Colin Charvis, Brent Cockbain, Iestyn Harris, Tom Shanklin (four players)
They didn't mention that Wallaby prop Matt Dunning was born in Calgary Canada nor players omitted from the RWC like All Blacks fly half Andrew Merthens, born in Durban, South Africa.
http://www.planetrugby.com/TOURNAMENTS/World_Cup_2003/Tournament_News/story_32379.shtml
Born here, play there 05/11/03
Some surprising figures
Joe Rokocoko, the New Zealand wing, said recently that he was looking forward to playing for the country of his birth, Fiji. In terms of the IRB's present regulations, that is no longer possible. Once a player has played for a country, its 'A' team and, in some cases possibly, its Sevens team, he is committed to that country. The old binationals, like Tiaan Strauss (South Africa and Australia), Matt Pini (Australia and Italy) and Jamie Salmon (New Zealand and England) can no longer happen.
There is a general perception that New Zealand takes players from the islands. The islands, surprisingly for some who believe all the traffic is New Zealand-wards, also have players born in New Zealand.
In fact the country with most foreign-born players at the 2003 Rugby World Cup is Samoa, though many of the Samoans born in New Zealand have dual (Samoan and New Zealand) nationality and record their home village in Samoa. The country which sends most of its birthlings abroad is New Zealand.
We have two lists of players at the 2003 Rugby World Cup - donors (i.e. countries of birth) and recipients (i.e. countries played in).
These are the ones we have been able to find. There are likely to be others. If anybody knows of any, we could always add them.
It's fun!
We are dealing only with the World Cup and have included only countries playing at the World Cup, which means that we do not have a category for Zambia where three players were born - George Gregan (Australia), Corné Krige (South Africa) and Dafydd James (Wales). They were all born in Lusaka. Then Christo Bezuidenhout (South Africa) was born in the Canary Islands, but we have not included Spain as a birthplace nor have we included Trinidad where Ed Knaggs of Canada was born.
Donor countries
These are the countries of birth of players who play elsewhere, their playing countries in brackets.
Argentina: Gonzalo Canale (Italy), Martin Castrogiovanni (Italy), Ramiro Martinez (Italy), Santiago Dellape (Italy), Sergio Parisse (Italy), Juan Andres Perez (Uruguay) (six players)
Australia: James Pritchard (Canada), Quintin Fyffe (Canada), Jeff Reid (Canada), Steve Devine (New Zealand), Ben Hinshelwood (Scotland), Rob Russell (Scotland), Nathan Hines (Scotland), John Payne (Tonga), Kain Cross (USA), Brent Cockbain (Wales) (10 players)
Canada: Frank Sheahan (Ireland)
England: Kevin Maggs (Ireland), Malcolm O'Kelly (Ireland), Guy Easterby (Ireland), Simon Easterby (Ireland), Ross Beattie (Scotland), Andy Craig (Scotland), Tom Smith (Scotland), Andrew Henderson (Scotland), Richard Liddington (USA), Iestyn Harris (Wales), Tom Shanklin (Wales), Colin Charvis (Wales) (12 players)
Fiji: Lote Tuqiri (Australia), Joe Rokocoko (New Zealand) (two players)
France: Grégoire Yachvili (Georgia)
Ireland: Kyran Bracken (England)
New Zealand: Jeremy Paul (Australia), Nicky Little (Fiji), Greg Smith (Fiji), Isikeli Nacewa (Fiji), Tony Marsh (France), Rima Wakarua (Italy), Scott Palmer (Italy), Aaron Persico (Italy), Matthew Phillips (Italy), Andrew Miller (Japan), Adam Parker (Japan), Georgia Konia (Japan), Ruben Parker (Japan), Sailosi Tagicakibau (Samoa), Dale Rasmussen (Samoa), Fa'atonu Fili (Samoa), Romi Ropati (Samoa), Earl Va'a (Samoa), Tanner Vili (Samoa), Lome Fa'atau (Samoa), Dominic Feaunati (Samoa), Kas Lealamanu'a (Samoa), Tamato Leupolu (Samoa), Leo Lafaiali'i (Samoa), Kitiona Viliamu (Samoa), Michael von Dincklage (Samoa), Patrick Segi (Samoa), Martin Leslie (Scotland), Glenn Metcalfe (Scotland), Cameron Mather (Scotland), Selilo Martens (Tonga), Gus Leger (Tonga), David Palu (Tonga), Stanley Afeaki (Tonga), Nisifolo Naufahu (Tonga), Milton Ngauamo (Tonga), Sateki Tu'ipolotu (Tonga), Sonny Parker (Wales) (38 players)
Romania:Cristian Stoica (Italy)
Samoa: Mils Muliaina (New Zealand), Jerry Collins (New Zealand), Rodney So'oialo (New Zealand) (three players)
South Africa: Mike Catt (England), Stuart Abbott (England), Brian Liebenberg (France), Kevin Dalzell (USA), Jurie Gouws (USA), Rian van Zyl (USA), Jason Keyter (USA), Gerhard Klerck (USA), Phillip Eloff (USA), Daniel Vickerman (Australia), Gert Peens (Italy) (11 players)
Tonga: Oloseti Fifita (USA), Salesi Sika (USA) (two players)
USA: Ronan O'Gara (Ireland)
Wales: Dorian West (England)
Recipients
The following are the countries who have benefited from players who have come to them after being born elsewhere. The main beneficiaries are Samoa, Italy, Scotland, the USA and Tonga.
Australia: Jeremy Paul, Lote Tuqiri, Daniel Vickerman (three players)
Canada: James Pritchard, Quintin Fyffe, Jeff Reid (three players)
England: Kyran Bracken, Mike Catt, Stuart Abbott, Dorian West (four players)
Fiji: Nicky Little, Isikeli Nacewa, Greg Smith (three players)
France: Brian Liebenberg, Tony Marsh (two players)
Georgia: Grégoire Yachvili
Ireland: Guy Easterby, Simon Easterby, Kevin Maggs, Malcolm O'Kelly, Ronan O'Gara, Frank Sheahan (six players)
Italy: Gonzalo Canale, Martin Castrogiovanni, Santiago Dellape, Ramiro Martinez, Scott Palmer, Sergio Parisse, Gert Peens, Aaron Persico, Matthew Phillips, Cristian Stoica, Rima Wakarua (11 players)
Japan: Andrew Miller, Adam Parker, Georgia Konia, Rueben Parkinson (four players)
New Zealand: Jerry Collins, Steve Devine, Mils Muliaina, Joe Rokocoko, Rodney So'oialo (five players)
Samoa: Sailosi Tagicakibau, Dale Rasmussen, Fa'atonu Fili, Romi Ropati, Earl Va'a, Tanner Vili, Lome Fa'atau, Dominic Feaunati, Kas Lealamanu'a, Tamato Leupolu, Leo Lafaiali'i, Kitiona Viliamu, Michael von Dincklage, Patrick Segi (14 players)
Scotland: Ross Beattie, Andy Craig, Andrew Henderson, Ben Hinshelwood, Martin Leslie, Glenn Metcalfe, Cameron Mather, Nathan Hines, Rob Russell, Tom Smith (10 players)
Tonga: Stanley Afeaki, Gus Leger, Selilo Martens, Nisifolo Naufahu, Milton Ngauamo, David Palu, John Payne, Sateki Tu'ipolotu (eight players)
Uruguay: Juan Andres Perez
USA: Kain Cross, Kevin Dalzell, Phillip Eloff, Ofisa Fifita, Jurie Gouws, Jason Keyter, Gerhard Klerck, John Liddington, Salesi Sika, Riaan van Zyl (10 players)
Wales: Colin Charvis, Brent Cockbain, Iestyn Harris, Tom Shanklin (four players)
They didn't mention that Wallaby prop Matt Dunning was born in Calgary Canada nor players omitted from the RWC like All Blacks fly half Andrew Merthens, born in Durban, South Africa.
