Brisbane Tigers make their bid to be 18th team

[TheEroticGamer]

We need to kill the qld cup. Nothing but a hindrance to our great game.

 

[Wb1234]

Penrith learnt off the Broncos, gus gould went to brisbane when hook was the coach at the broncos, and they looked at their setup, and created a similar model, but one that suited Penrith, and the rest is history, that was close to a decade ago, as for Nrl clubsnot doing their own development, thats a myth, it in thier best interests to run programs and ensure they have the next wave of potential replacements ready for the teams theyll have in the future, either thru older players retire or thru mid season injuries..
To say its only upto nsw cup and qld cup is silly, every team needs to have pathways in place

That team of youngsters bennett had was amazing

if only they had let him coach them go their potential

 

[Perth Red]

So why have they only developed 5 players in 25 years?

Because you need a large number of jnrs to pick the cream from, and we are back to the ARLC not doing a very good job at growing participation rates. Its only in relatively recent years weve seen Vic go over 2000 registered players!

 

[MugaB]

That team of youngsters bennett had was amazing

if only they had let him coach them go their potential

Hook got them to a grand final, you can blame ben hunt for his dropping of the ball that game,not bennett not being coach, little wayne was at newy back then

 

[Perth Red]

A Queensland representative team went over to England in the mid-80s and smashed the shit out of Pommy players that were on bigger contracts.

HKR 8 - Qlnd 6

Glory days indeed!

 

[Wb1234]

Hook got them to a grand final, you can blame ben hunt for his dropping of the ball that game,not bennett not being coach, little wayne was at newy back then

It was bennetts dumb tactics to kick for touch on last with 20 minutes to go

still that side had haas tpj fifita ofengauie etc

hook didn’t cover himself in glory at Penrith or the dragons

 

[MugaB]

It was bennetts dumb tactics to kick for touch on last with 20 minutes to go

still that side had haas tpj fifita ofengauie etc

hook didn’t cover himself in glory at Penrith or the dragons

I think we are talking two different seasons, 2015 GF vs cowboys, bennets didnt bring those boys thru, hook blooded them, bennet was just lucky to return to a gun side

 

[Wb1234]

I think we are talking two different seasons, 2015 GF vs cowboys, bennets didnt bring those boys thru, hook blooded them, bennet was just lucky to return to a gun side

Yeh just looked Fifita tpj weren’t there then

 

[Santino Patane]

Broncos have never given a f**k about junior RL. They're owned by News Ltd and only care about what they can get from rugby league. It's why I hated them for so many years.

Any chance of Brisbane Tigers buying a stake in the Titans?

It would make the Titans very powerful.

I don’t see the Frizelle/Kelly partnership give up the ownership of the club any time soon- it’s a labour of love for them. Plus I think the licence is critical to stay in the current catchment for the sake of Rugby League due to the huge volume of talent being produced on the Coast/Northern Rivers- most definitely Rugby League Heartland. But if anyone were to take over ownership, we could do much worse than Easts these days, just never gonna happen

 

[Santino Patane]

Penrith learnt off the Broncos, gus gould went to brisbane when hook was the coach at the broncos, and they looked at their setup, and created a similar model, but one that suited Penrith, and the rest is history, that was close to a decade ago, as for Nrl clubsnot doing their own development, thats a myth, it in thier best interests to run programs and ensure they have the next wave of potential replacements ready for the teams theyll have in the future, either thru older players retire or thru mid season injuries..
To say its only upto nsw cup and qld cup is silly, every team needs to have pathways in place

Not to doubt you, I’m just surprised to hear re Broncos. Other than superficial associations with QCup clubs (ie only filtering out top 30 players to them to get game time, never working with juniors/coaches/depth since Toowoomba and Aspley left the comp) there seems to be no solid connections with the Broncos in the QRL.

Cowboys, Redcliffe and Titans all have real connections with QCup, local Clubs and schools in their regions, I can’t think of any major support in these areas for the Donks. For example, despite pinching Burleigh Bears QCup team as a feeder, all Burleigh juniors are still aligned to the Titans.

Totally agree with you re Club/QRL/NSWRL commitments to development. It needs to be synergy at all levels to maximise growth of the game

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Because you need a large number of jnrs to pick the cream from, and we are back to the ARLC not doing a very good job at growing participation rates. Its only in relatively recent years weve seen Vic go over 2000 registered players!

How many juniors are needed?

Melbourne has 5k. Perth has 4k.

How does the ARLC convince dyed in the wool fumbleball fans to play rugby league?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Not to doubt you, I’m just surprised to hear re Broncos. Other than superficial associations with QCup clubs (ie only filtering out top 30 players to them to get game time, never working with juniors/coaches/depth since Toowoomba and Aspley left the comp) there seems to be no solid connections with the Broncos in the QRL.

Cowboys, Redcliffe and Titans all have real connections with QCup, local Clubs and schools in their regions, I can’t think of any major support in these areas for the Donks. For example, despite pinching Burleigh Bears QCup team as a feeder, all Burleigh juniors are still aligned to the Titans.

Totally agree with you re Club/QRL/NSWRL commitments to development. It needs to be synergy at all levels to maximise growth of the game

Broncos went out of their way to f**k with BRL clubs in 1988. Bennett wouldn't allow the Logan Scorpions to select Alan Cann in their A Grade side. He made Cann play Colts for Logan. Scorpions coach John Barber was furious about it.

Another thing the Broncos did in 1988 was play games at Lang Park at 3pm Sun, despite having an agreement with the QRL to not do so.

Titans should at least look at teaming up with Brisbane Tigers as a feeder club. With the Tigers fielding four junior clubs in Logan it would benefit the Titans.

 

[Colk]

I know you do not view AwFuL as a threat, but they've targeted Ipswich and Logan as a growth area for their sport.

They've got the Lions@Springwood Social Club and are investing in the Springwood Pumas. They've also got the training facility at Springfield. AFLQ's latest report shows they've grown Auskick numbers strongly in "the western corridor".

Some of the fastest growing Auskick areas in Queensland are the western corridor, specifically the Ipswich region, which has experienced 45 per cent growth since 2022.​

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Since 2019, across South East Queensland, the youth and junior competitions have seen an influx of participants, soaring by 40 per cent​

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AFL Queensland announces participation record for 2023 | AFL Queensland

www.aflq.com.au

If the ARLC were to put a team in Perth and NZ before addressing AwFuL's incursions in the western corridor then AwFuL will be rubbing their hands with glee.

The Dolphins are spending millions of dollars on juniors within their catchment. The Brisbane Tigers can do the same across southern Brisbane, Ipswich and Logan. I cannot see the Jets ever having the resources to invest in grassroots.

Give this fumbler invasion argument a rest mate.

It’s not only massively oxymoronic but it is also a bit inane.

 

[Canard]

Give this fumbler invasion argument a rest mate.

It’s not only massively oxymoronic but it is also a bit inane.

The Lions, who have existed in SEQ since 1988, are suddenly invading!

It's clearly bullshit and an attempt to create a reason for a Bri3 team well before its needed.

 

[Colk]

So why have they only developed 5 players in 25 years?

He did say it was a fair complaint.

It requires long term investment to do these things and the Storm haven’t concentrated on it (for right or wrong)

Seeing Victorian born and bred players play in the NRL is literally a good thing and with the pathways they now have set up more should come through.

Su’A Faalogo should be an absolute star and he is from Victoria. This is a positive don’t you think?

 

[Colk]

The Lions, who have existed in SEQ since 1988, are suddenly invading!

It's clearly bullshit and an attempt to create a reason for a Bri3 team well before it’s hr needed.

There are a few illogical aspects of this argument

1. Apparently the fumblers are wasting their money and it is failing but we need another side to counter them. Having to argue for another side there would suggest that it is working.
2. If we put in another side, we are going to kill them. See the 9 League sides in Sydney and the Swans
3. If we do the same thing in expanding to other markets, it will fail like the fumblers. You have to forget about point 1 though.

 

[Canard]

There are a few illogical aspects of this argument

1. Apparently the fumblers are wasting their money and it is failing but we need another side to counter them. Having to argue for another side there would suggest that it is working.
2. If we put in another side, we are going to kill them. See the 9 League sides in Sydney and the Swans
3. If we do the same thing in expanding to other markets, it will fail like the fumblers. You have to forget about point 1 though.

 

[The Great Dane]

So how come the Storm haven't done shit with the juniors in Melbourne?

They get the grant like everyone else, right?

It's taken them 25 years to create a pathway for local juniors.

The grant has been in place for about a decade.

What were they spending the money on?



As opposed to the Melbourne Storm who've spent sweet f**k all on juniors over the last 25 years?

This is a classic example of what's called a non sequitur fallacy.

BTW, clubs have received a grant for generations, and the Storm have spent about as much on juniors as any of the other NRL sides on average, it's just that almost all of that spending went outside of Victoria until about 7-8 years ago.

 

[The Great Dane]

There are a few illogical aspects of this argument

1. Apparently the fumblers are wasting their money and it is failing but we need another side to counter them. Having to argue for another side there would suggest that it is working.
2. If we put in another side, we are going to kill them. See the 9 League sides in Sydney and the Swans
3. If we do the same thing in expanding to other markets, it will fail like the fumblers. You have to forget about point 1 though.

It's the classic rhetorical device of the enemy being weak and strong at the same time, used by ideologues, zealots, despots, and dictators going back millennia.

 

[The Great Dane]

How many juniors are needed?

Melbourne has 5k. Perth has 4k.

How does the ARLC convince dyed in the wool fumbleball fans to play rugby league?

How do you propose the sport grows the numbers of juniors outside of NSW and QLD if it refuses to expand to or invest in those markets at all?

You criticise them for not having enough juniors or supporters, but you are also the one standing in the way of them getting the means to grow their junior and support bases. You can't have it both ways.