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Brisbane3 - What is needed to make it a successful bid?

steeden.

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the biggest thing thats hurt that run is souths merging with logan when ya consider logan stretches right to beenleigh and kisses up to northern gc anyways.
To me the Maggies are such a frustrating geographical anomaly. There’s almost zero cultural connection between West End and Logan, yet the team name persists in having both in the name. It’s not so bad if you identify with Logan - your location is in the name, and Logan is south of Brisbane. but you’re probably also not travelling to Davies Park cause the drive would be a killer. And if you’re in West End or thereabouts do you really want to support a team called “Logan”?

I would really hope with the increasing gentrification, the number of new apartments, and Rugby league’s continuing popularity that Souths could have a resurgence (keeping Davies Park as a league ground is critical in my mind) locally, and ditch the Logan branding for a revived Scorpions outfit at Heritage Park or equipment.

Logan would also solve the issue of having an odd number of teams.

The Western Suburbs is the other overlooked area at the moment: there’s no team between Souths and Ipswich.

Logan, Wests and Wide Bay for an 18 team comp? Now we just need a tonne of money
 

Red&BlackBear

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I've lived all over the GC in my life, I played for the Nerang roosters as a kid. I know the Gold coast mate

Tweed is northern NSW and gives opportunity to the Northern rivers, Burleigh is south GC.

Yeah, there's a massive need to get more junior clubs on the Northern GC. Pimpama, Coomera areas need teams and maybe that's where QRL needs to start. I'd loved to see the flood on sign on day in those areas!

If ignoring this massive growing population is how things work at QRL headquarters, then maybe it's more a discussion about how it doesn't work.
Not sure you understand how QRL works.
QRL have a lot of regions to facilitate. It’s not their job to help start up clubs - only to assist them (and the districts those clubs play in) where they can.

GC as a whole has a strong local competition with a sound amount of junior RL clubs. Further to that - there is a good amount of schools playing in RL comps/tournaments. Titans have done a great job to streamline majority of it. The region is well serviced. It’s pure heartland.

Hornets in Helensvale, Cutters in Coomera and Shearers in Ormeau have adequately provided JRL opportunities to locals in and around those clubs locations. Hornet and Shearers generally have good participation numbers, I’m not sure about Cutters as they’re relatively new’ish.

I’m not sure throwing in a random Q-Cup side here really helps anything progress further than what it currently is. There are no current servicing issues here from a JRL perspective.

So unless Runaway Bay JRL really wants to do it, then it is what it is. There’s a considerable amount of resources and investment required to get a club to that level of competition from ground zero. Plenty of overhead costs factored in. Hence why I asked you about what your other proposed options are (outside an existing club elevating itself). I doubt there’s any I haven’t heard before and all have been easier to say/type/write than to actually execute.

I’m all for QRL and its various district regions and clubs growing. Including more in Northern GC. More, the merrier. But it’s been a historically volatile process. Wide Bay Bulls stands the best chance at successful going up and even then they are extremely apprehensive about that last step from junior Q-Cup into proper Q-Cup. Clydesdales are barely keeping their heads above water. It’s not easy.

Which then brings me back to the first point. QRL have a responsibility to ensure those other regions have the proper resourcing in what has been traditionally limited investment (from external parties) back into the game there. GC is fine as it is, it can wait for further growth. Burleigh Bears and Tweed Seagulls aren’t going anywhere and neither are the junior clubs that feed the GCRL. But TRL and WB&BRL now they are tippy toeing and we can’t lose them. Focus should be on them.
 

Canard

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The quality and opportunities for Gold Coast RL is about no9999 on the list of priorities for the QRL.

It's probably the biggest heartland of junior RL in the state.

It's why people claiming that the Titans should relocate are Sydney keyboard idiots.
 

Gobsmacked

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The Gold coast are the Parramatta of Queensland, have everything in place to dominate, yet are always the shit show of the comp. Why is the big question.
At the end of the day, it comes down to 17 players on game day and a coach.
Getting those 18 people and everything that goes into that is what's missing.
Both of these sleeping giants are going in the right direction:
Parramatta, new younger coach through good apprenticeships understands young men of today and the systems and framework required to get the best of them.
Gold coast, same model.

You can't buy the best 17 in today's game, you need to be holding the contracts of the next big things - youth. It's basically a futures market. The best way to win in this " futures" market is to have a hand in that development, a finger on the pulse, being a part of their journey. Someone can still come in and buy them but if you're bringing them through, you know them best, what they're capable of and what they aren't. Another club can buy them but they'll pay overs every time because the club bringing them through no their true value.

Matty Johns has bought into the Titans with a focus on that youth development, the talent on the GC is second to none. If they get it right, they'll be a top 4 side indefinitely. Massive crowds, mega money on the GC for sponsors, easy to attract players and keep them because it's the gold Coast..

The Titans are a sleeping giant. The reason to Sydney crowd try to pull away at them is for this very reason, in 10 years they won't be able to compete with them.
 

Wb1234

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At the end of the day, it comes down to 17 players on game day and a coach.
Getting those 18 people and everything that goes into that is what's missing.
Both of these sleeping giants are going in the right direction:
Parramatta, new younger coach through good apprenticeships understands young men of today and the systems and framework required to get the best of them.
Gold coast, same model.

You can't buy the best 17 in today's game, you need to be holding the contracts of the next big things - youth. It's basically a futures market. The best way to win in this " futures" market is to have a hand in that development, a finger on the pulse, being a part of their journey. Someone can still come in and buy them but if you're bringing them through, you know them best, what they're capable of and what they aren't. Another club can buy them but they'll pay overs every time because the club bringing them through no their true value.

Matty Johns has bought into the Titans with a focus on that youth development, the talent on the GC is second to none. If they get it right, they'll be a top 4 side indefinitely. Massive crowds, mega money on the GC for sponsors, easy to attract players and keep them because it's the gold Coast..

The Titans are a sleeping giant. The reason to Sydney crowd try to pull away at them is for this very reason, in 10 years they won't be able to compete with them.
Titans have an awful club culture and has done an awful job taking their excellent juniors to first grade

Plus had a bad stadium deal, failure of the centre of excellence and the afl spending billions on the suns

Parra have a weak boardroom ever since Dennis Fitzgerald got sacked (he was a dud by the end too) and after the club went into administration the board isn’t that strong

Throw in mark oneill as football manager is useless

And like the titans have totally neglected their junior nursery

Ryles talks a good game but I think he’s a fraud

League club is minted they are building a hotel
 

Gobsmacked

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Titans have an awful club culture and has done an awful job taking their excellent juniors to first grade

Plus had a bad stadium deal, failure of the centre of excellence and the afl spending billions on the suns

Parra have a weak boardroom ever since Dennis Fitzgerald got sacked (he was a dud by the end too) and after the club went into administration the board isn’t that strong

Throw in mark oneill as football manager is useless

And like the titans have totally neglected their junior nursery

Ryles talks a good game but I think he’s a fraud

League club is minted they are building a hotel
I don't think Rules is in anyway a fraud. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the next super coach. Every move he's made with his roster has been on point. His cleared the dead wood of those ageing and under performing players and the youth his kept are responding to his coaching and growing in confidence.
All while avoiding any Media scrutiny.
While all this is going on, he holds a perfectly calm demeanor, becoming an emotional anchor for the playing group.

If course I could be horribly wrong lol

I guess, watch this space.
 

Wb1234

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I don't think Rules is in anyway a fraud. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the next super coach. Every move he's made with his roster has been on point. His cleared the dead wood of those ageing and under performing players and the youth his kept are responding to his coaching and growing in confidence.
All while avoiding any Media scrutiny.
While all this is going on, he holds a perfectly calm demeanor, becoming an emotional anchor for the playing group.

If course I could be horribly wrong lol

I guess, watch this space.
Maybe

But signing Pezet for a year is stupid

Plus I hated him when he was at the dragons such a dope

Storm roosters and Eddie jones England squad still don’t think he’s done anything
 

Vee

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The only area that’s not adequately represented in Q-Cup is and always will be Wide Bay-Burnett. That’s your Bundaberg’s, Gympie’s. Maryborough’s, Nanangos, Harvey Bay’s Population of over 345k.

The Bulls just haven’t had the cash from the region to make the jump from QRL sides participating in MM and CC cups to seniors. Trust me we have tried to get something happening but it just hasn’t happened.

Northern GC in Helensvale/Coomera/Upper Coomera/Pimpama/ Ormeau/Labrador/ Oxenford & Maudsland and Hope Island is around a combined 145k population. Not even half of Wide Bay-Burnett Bulls catchment.


Thats because outside the Phins - the Qld NRL teams aren’t investing into catchments and those catchment JRL comps like majority of NSW NRL clubs do. The investment into catchment comps and relevant leagues/JRL clubs falls under the QRL/Q-Cup clubs who bring these kids from U6’s all the way up to your Cyril Connell and Mal Meninga cup teams. Where then Broncos and to a lesser degree Titans and Cows will say “thanks, here’s limited support/investment back for all your hard work to resourcing juniors we will use”.

At least the Titans have made big efforts into streamlining the GCJRL into having majority of junior comps and junior associated clubs feed into their Future Titans program. But still, there’s certain parties ie Burleigh Bears and Keebra Park SHS who do their own thing.

QRL and by proxy the Q-Cup clubs keep the player pool stocks churning.


Yes to an extent. You’d be surprised how little investment the Broncos and Titans actually put into Ipswich and western regions like Toowoomba etc JRL. Plus these 2 clubs are only putting into it now because they got spooked that a far more western based NRL club was going to snap up Toowoomba for a few years (as Western Clydesdales are yet to finalise an NRL affiliation partnership deal)… In saying that Titans don’t have anything to do with Toowoomba, they have a feeder arrangement with Jets and that’s it.
How much are the Warriors putting into Logan?
 

Red&BlackBear

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V'Landys mentioned another Queensland team as a possibility for team 20, has there been any progress made behind the scenes in regards to Ipswich?
Yes. Not-so-much-behind the scenes, the Jets facilities are currently being upgraded. Fields, offices and, an entertainment district.

This will be done over 3x stages with stage 1 underway. Bringing up that infrastructure is critical to their commercial viability. Whilst they wouldn’t play any NRL games there - they would have their headquarters and base of operations operating from there.

Behind the scenes I’m not so sure. It’s been a few months since I last spoke to anyone working on it.
 

RedVee

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Yes. Not-so-much-behind the scenes, the Jets facilities are currently being upgraded. Fields, offices and, an entertainment district.

This will be done over 3x stages with stage 1 underway. Bringing up that infrastructure is critical to their commercial viability. Whilst they wouldn’t play any NRL games there - they would have their headquarters and base of operations operating from there.

Behind the scenes I’m not so sure. It’s been a few months since I last spoke to anyone working on it.
They’d train there ? CoE there?
 

steeden.

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They’d train there ? CoE there?
I guess both, but from what I’ve seen the Dolphins NRL team use the second field (to the north, bordering Fleetwing Avenue) for their training. A Jets NRL team would perhaps train on the field to the west of North Ipswich Reserve and keep the main field in good nick for QCup games?
 

Red&BlackBear

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How much are the Warriors putting into Logan?
Undisclosed but it’s known that the investment costs are split with Ausbuild (with Ausbuild being commercial partners). I have a rough idea of what it might be, that I think is close to the mark.

Interestingly, Ausbuild are also commercially tied with Dolphins. 2026 might be the last year in their current arrangement - I can’t recall.

That’s 2 direct competitors to the Broncos - that Ausbuild has now financially affiliated with and in this case also infiltrated Souths Logan Magpies and by proxy the Broncos catchment.

However, it needs to be stated that at the same time - East Tigers are also set up in Logan (and by proxy so are Perth Bears). So it could mean something, could mean nothing. I know that’s not what you asked though.
 

Vee

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Undisclosed but it’s known that the investment costs are split with Ausbuild (with Ausbuild being commercial partners). I have a rough idea of what it might be, that I think is close to the mark.

Interestingly, Ausbuild are also commercially tied with Dolphins. 2026 might be the last year in their current arrangement - I can’t recall.

That’s 2 direct competitors to the Broncos - that Ausbuild has now financially affiliated with and in this case also infiltrated Souths Logan Magpies and by proxy the Broncos catchment.

However, it needs to be stated that at the same time - East Tigers are also set up in Logan (and by proxy so are Perth Bears). So it could mean something, could mean nothing. I know that’s not what you asked though.
Sorry, I meant how much effort are they putting in, clinics, coaching etc.
 

Red&BlackBear

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Sorry, I meant how much effort are they putting in, clinics, coaching etc.
That would be a fair bit. However I feel it’s currently through their NSW Cup system.

They held a game yesterday at the local grounds and spent some time with pathways.

Jon Raven (Logan Mayor) has been posting a fair bit about it in recent times. It’s only early days but it is gaining traction.
 
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mongoose

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V'Landys mentioned another Queensland team as a possibility for team 20, has there been any progress made behind the scenes in regards to Ipswich?
Ippy is booming, lots of new people moving in due to Brisbane housing being so unafordable. It's starting to lose its stigma as an undesirable place too.
 
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