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Brumbies may need to find a new home

choc_soldier

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Came across this in the Sun Herald (Sydney) this morning - don't know what to make of this or whether it is to believed...

Brumbies may need to find a new home

By James MacSmith
Sunday, April 30, 2006


Australia's most successful province, the Brumbies, might have to move to Melbourne or the NSW Central Coast within five years to ensure the franchise's future.

Judging by the scale of Matt Giteau's $1.5 million-a-year deal with the Western Force, the two-time Super 12 champions could struggle to be financially competitive if third-party agreements become the norm in provincial rugby and player salaries skyrocket.

Brumbies chief executive Andrew Fagan says his organisation is unlikely to be able to match the size of corporate backing the Waratahs, the Reds and the Force enjoy if third-party top-ups from the corporate sector become an acceptable part of player payments.

Fagan has called on the ARU to investigate the Western Force's three-year deal with Giteau and look into the regulation of player contracts.

But Rugby Union Players Association chief executive Tony Dempsey said third-party contracts were here to stay and the ACT-based Brumbies would struggle to compete for top-line talent.

"A move to Melbourne was something that was mooted by [former ARU boss] John O'Neill," he said.

"In the short term I don't think it will happen, but who knows what will happen in five to 10 years?

"We have to be careful to ensure the future financial security of our provinces.

"At the moment there is no sign of financial distress but if that changes we have to consider all possibilities."

Fagan said he would ask the ARU to look into the Giteau deal and consider the implications it may have on the financial prosperity of Australia's Super 14 teams.

"At the moment we have corporate support that is the equal of the Waratahs and the Reds," Fagan said. "But if third-party agreements become an acceptable part of the playing field, and the private sector is allowed to contribute to player payments, we will struggle to compete with the other Super 14 sides.

"Their additional corporate support is significantly more advanced than ours is."

ARU boss Gary Flowers says third-party agreements have the potential to "distort" the systems the unions have put in place.

"The teams with the money will be able to attract marquee players which, in the medium term, could lead to situations where there are two categories of teams - the haves and the have-nots," he said.

"That would not be a good outcome for Australian rugby."

The Brumbies have been Australia's most successful provincial team over the past decade but Fagan fears the two-time Super 12 champions could struggle if the way players' negotiations are conducted has been changed forever by the Giteau deal.

"We need a firm, fixed system of negotiation that is in the best interest of the four organisations," he said. "That is something I will be bringing up at the CEOs meeting on May 8.

"We have great community and government support in Canberra and if it remains we would always prefer to stay but the financial future of the organisation is paramount."

Melbourne and the Central Coast could emerge as a new home for the Brumbies if Australia begins to follow the US model. In the US, football franchises move cities depending on where they find the most sound financial base.

The Brumbies have been involved in talks with the Victorian Rugby Union about strengthening ties between the two organisations, and the Brumbies are likely to play a home game in Melbourne. The city narrowly missed out on winning the fourth Super 14 franchise to Perth.

Rugby has strong corporate support in Melbourne and VRU boss Ron Steiner said that support had not been discouraged by the city's failure to secure a Super 14 team. "There is very, very strong corporate support for the game in Melbourne and at the development level the game is as sound as it has ever been," he said.

"We have forged a good relationship with the Brumbies and want them to be successful on and off the park.

"All we can do is ensure we put ourselves in the best position to deal with any eventualities. Whether that is a team moving to Melbourne or a fifth [Australian] team, we have to ensure we are ready."

Millionaire adman John Singleton, who failed in a bid to have the NRL's 16th team call the Central Coast home in 2007, leases Central Coast Stadium and is involved with club rugby side the Waves. He said he would welcome the Brumbies if they considered a move north. "The Brumbies would have a lot more going for them on the Central Coast than in Canberra," he said. "If it was in their best interests to call the Central Coast Stadium home it is something we would be interested in.

"I just don't understand why they have a Super 14 team in Canberra. I don't know why rugby league has one there either.

"I can't see how they can compete for the corporate dollar there - it's full of public servants. They would be better off having a team elsewhere."
Flowers doesn't see a future in which franchises move to where the best backing is - not yet, anyway.

"That is not something we have entertained at this stage," he said. "We want teams that are owned by the member unions and the ARU."

http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/news/off-the-field/brumbies-may-need-to-find-a-new-home/2006/04/29/1146198390303.html
 

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Doesn't surprise me Canberra is never going to be able to compete financially with Sydney, Perth, Melbourne or even Brisbane not unless little Johnny is willing to lend a helping hand. Still this 3rd party agreement crap is ridicolous Gituea will be getting payed $1.5 mil a year to play at most 15 games that is if he doesn't pick up any injuries and the Force make it to the Grand Final (which is highly unlikely) waste of money if you ask me.
 
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The only teams crying foul of the Giteau signings are from Reds, Tahs and Brumbies .
And they they will still be crying over until one of them will sign someone like SB Williams with the same money as Giteau .
Can you see the idiot who made the statement moving to Melbourne with Brumbies ?
Sour grapes if you ask me .

Its money well spend and you will see the Force crowd average moving up to AFL level if they become a top four side .
 

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I do believe it is an inevitability.

Canberra was always a shoe-horn solution to get a third provincial side into a market which, at the time, only contained two viable provinces.

Despite fantastic crowds and healthy corporate support, the Super 14 may prove to be just too big for sleepy Canberra.

It's no real big deal when you think about it. ACT Rugby still has no representation at the ARU, it's considered to be part of NSW and is represented by the NSWRU. All of the Brumbies players play in the Sydney club competition.

A move to Victoria would massively enhance RU down there and give a massive jumpstart to the local competition.

And in 5 years the new national club competition should be up and running (theoretically) so there should still be elite level rugby in the ACT.

As for the Central Coast? Yeah, nice try Singo. There's more corporates in Canberra than Gosford. Also, it's a PROVINCIAL competition, last I checked, the Central Coast was still in New South Wales, who already have a team, and play several trial and post S14 fixtures at CC Stadium per year usually.

Having said alllllllllllllllllllllllllllll that, it'd be a damn shame. The Brumbies have been a good thing for RU in Australia and for sport in Canberra.
 

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It would be stupid to move to Victoria- look at the storm for evidence why. South Australia could be a option.
 

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lockyno1 said:
It would be stupid to move to Victoria- look at the storm for evidence why. South Australia could be a option.

First Hauritz love, then South Australia over Victoria?

Can I have some of the fairy-dust that you sprinkle on your cereal so I can see the world the way you do?

Victoria had already had every single corporate box at Telstra Dome accounted for for this season had they made the Super 14. South Australia doesn't even have an acceptable venue.
 

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lockyno1 said:
It would be stupid to move to Victoria- look at the storm for evidence why. South Australia could be a option.

12,000 to watch a trial game between the team we were cheated out of through lies play against a team from NZ in the worst humidity we had all summer.


RU in Melbourne is a completely different issue to RL in Melbourne.
 

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meltiger said:
RU in Melbourne is a completely different issue to RL in Melbourne.

Too big a risk in a AFL mad state. Now I am not saying SA isn't AFL, but it is less than Victoria. I just can't see it working in Victoria.
 

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South Australia has:

a-No suitable venue
b-Poor standard of local competition
c-Little interest in the game-The last test there was in 2003 I think
 

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Timbo said:
South Australia has:

a-No suitable venue
b-Poor standard of local competition
c-Little interest in the game-The last test there was in 2003 I think

Yet Victoria has much interest in union? I am struggling with that one mate. Victoria is AFL heartlans so unless you are going to play every home match on Thursday you will struggle to get good crowds.
 

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lockyno1 said:
Yet Victoria has much interest in union? I am struggling with that one mate. Victoria is AFL heartlans so unless you are going to play every home match on Thursday you will struggle to get good crowds.

Victoria has exceptionally strong ex-pat support.

Don't believe the lies fed to the public by the WARU during the bidding process for the 4th team & the lies told by the ARU to justify their incorrect decision.
 

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meltiger said:
Victoria has exceptionally strong ex-pat support.

Don't believe the lies fed to the public by the WARU during the bidding process for the 4th team & the lies told by the ARU to justify their incorrect decision.

But do they have enough support to get 40,000+ at each home game? That is the big factor. In the end there are 10 or so AFL teams in Melbourne!
 

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They won't need 40,000 per game.

Telstra Dome was always going to be an interim venue until the new 26,000 seater rectangular venue was built.

There will be more than enough interest to get that. And the corporate dollars is where their money is coming from.
 

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SpaceMonkey said:
Canberra has more $$ and population than Hamilton or Dunedin. Food for thought?

Hamilton and Dunedin have RU as their first-and only-professional sport.

Canberra has to compete with league and AFL.
 

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lockyno1 said:
In the end there are 10 or so AFL teams in Melbourne!

& a hell of a lot more people.


Including more immigrants from Rugby Nations than Perth ...


All of the old Poms I know for starters would not in a million years be seen at a Storm game, yet they would back any Victorian side in the top tier.
 

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All you have to do is see how well the round ball game is going down there to get confirmation that AFL is not all Melbourne cares for.
 

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meltiger said:
& a hell of a lot more people.


Including more immigrants from Rugby Nations than Perth ...


All of the old Poms I know for starters would not in a million years be seen at a Storm game, yet they would back any Victorian side in the top tier.

I'll take your word for it but I still think it is too big a risk in a AFL-city.
 

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lockyno1 said:
I'll take your word for it but I still think it is too big a risk in a AFL-city.

In Adelaide there is a zero ex-pat population.

Also they regularly get 10,000+ to the SANFL (local AFL)

Adelaide has a RU future, but not for 20 years or so.
 

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Timbo said:
I do believe it is an inevitability.

Canberra was always a shoe-horn solution to get a third provincial side into a market which, at the time, only contained two viable provinces.

Despite fantastic crowds and healthy corporate support, the Super 14 may prove to be just too big for sleepy Canberra.

It's no real big deal when you think about it. ACT Rugby still has no representation at the ARU, it's considered to be part of NSW and is represented by the NSWRU. All of the Brumbies players play in the Sydney club competition.

A move to Victoria would massively enhance RU down there and give a massive jumpstart to the local competition.

And in 5 years the new national club competition should be up and running (theoretically) so there should still be elite level rugby in the ACT.

As for the Central Coast? Yeah, nice try Singo. There's more corporates in Canberra than Gosford. Also, it's a PROVINCIAL competition, last I checked, the Central Coast was still in New South Wales, who already have a team, and play several trial and post S14 fixtures at CC Stadium per year usually.

Having said alllllllllllllllllllllllllllll that, it'd be a damn shame. The Brumbies have been a good thing for RU in Australia and for sport in Canberra.

Absolutely disagree. The Brumbies moving from Canberra would be quite simply the worst move in the history of bad moves. The Brumbies are well entrenched in the Canberra community and have got plenty of support from the corporate sector.

Let's face it, the ARU (or should I say more specifically, the NSWRU) has been trying to get the Brumbies moved ever since the Super 12 started. This is nothing new, we've heard it all before, it's not going to happen.
 

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