C.F. Orr Stakes (G1) - Caulfield Saturday 11th February

[Macca_]

Noms -

C.F. ORR STAKES 1400M

Of $302000 Of $300000 and $2000 trophy. 1st $180000 and trophy of $2000, 2nd $54000, 3rd $27000, 4th $13500, 5th $7500, 6th $6000, 7th $6000, 8th $6000. Starter Subsidy: $150 for non-prize earning runners. Standard Weight for Age. (GROUP 1). No allowances for apprentices. Field Limit: 16+3 EM

No Horse Trainer Rating
1 ACTIVATION (NZ) Graeme Rogerson (104)
2 BOMBER BILL Maureen Harry (106.5)
3 CALIFORNIA DANE Lee Freedman (104)
4 CASUAL PASS Mathew Ellerton (107)
5 CHETWYND SOUTH Jim Conlan (91)
6 DOMESDAYJ ohn Hawkes (92)
7 EARLY EXPRESS Peter Giadresco (105)
8 FIELDS OF OMAGH David Hayes (117)
9 GREAT IS GREAT Greg Eurell (105)
10 LAD OF THE MANOR (NZ) Roger Hoysted (115)
11 LIVE IN VAIN Peter G Moody (102)
12 NICONERO David Hayes (105)
13 OUR SMOKING JOE Lee Freedman (110)
14 PERFECT PROMISE (SAF) Lee Freedman (107)
15 PERLIN (NZ) Graeme Rogerson (112)
16 RED DAZZLER Mick Price (96)
17 REGAL ROLLER Clinton McDonald (116)
18 ROMAN ARCH Robbie Laing (109)
19 SPIRIT OF TARA Gerald Ryan (100.5)
20 UMAQUEST Mark Minervini (104)
21 VALEDICTUM Danny O'Brien (108)
22 VROOM VROOM (ARG) David Hayes (100.5)
23 ZANKEL (NZ) Brian Mayfield-Smith (100)
24 ZIPPING Graeme Rogerson (102.5)

 

[Nuffs]

wow. good race

melbourne always seems to deliver with it's group 1's

might have a little bit on great is great

and obviously california dane is a big chance

 

[Billy Gunn]

Lad of the Manor is my early tip in this one, Perlin was one that I rated very

Highly last year but didn't live up to expectations will be interesting to see how he goes

Fields of Omagh could suprise fresh

 

[Moffo]

Very interesting race. I agree Billy, Fields never runs a bad race and is good fresh. I'd put a stack on it to place.

No way Bomber Bill can run out 1400

 

[Macca_]

Mof I think the old Bomber can win over 1400m at this stage of his career. BUT not this race, it's way out of his depth now. That was a nice win over 1300m at Sandown from him a few starts back. But this is to much for him now.

Going to be a good race this. I'll wait for some weights and barriers first.

 

[Nuffs]

fields of omagh wont win this. wont place either.
lad of the manor may sneak a place but i'm not jumping on him until at least 1600m
the bomber can't win this. just too strong field

and macca, it's WFA so you should be able to work out the weights

 

[Macca_]

See what happens when you don't read it all :lol:

I'll still 'weight' Couldn't be bothered working it out

 

[Nuffs]

yeah i couldn't be bothered putting all of the weights up either

something like:
4yo+ males - 58kg
4yo+ females - 55.5kg
3yo males - 54.5kg
3yo fillies - 52.5kg. actually it might be 52kg. 2.5kg turnaround from the boys

i think all except 4 are 4yo+ males so yeah

what a pointless post :lol:

 

[Macca_]

Melb weights up now -

http://www.ozracing.net.au/cgi-bin/rsb/public/format_wgt_rating.cgi/1102CAUL.DGW?State=V

 

[Moffo]

fields of omagh wont win this. wont place either.
lad of the manor may sneak a place but i'm not jumping on him until at least 1600m
the bomber can't win this. just too strong field

and macca, it's WFA so you should be able to work out the weights

ill respectively disagree mate. I'll take anything over $2 for Fields to place

 

[Nuffs]

that's why punters get overs. everyone has a different opinion

i just don't think he's good enough to place in this race. i see california dane (if it gets a start), regal roller, vroom vroom, and a couple of others beating it home

will be interesting to see the acceptnaces today as California Dane needs 5 non-acceptors to get a guarnateed start. absolute joke!

 

[Billy Gunn]

I'll stick with Lad of the Manor I think he will be too sharp for this field and goes pretty well first up

 

[Macca_]

No. Selection Win Place
005 Lad of The Manor $4.25 $1.80
017 California Dane 1em $4.25 $1.80
003 Regal Roller $6.00 $2.25
010 Casual Pass $7.00 $2.50
015 Perfect Promise $7.00 $2.50
019 Vroom Vroom 3em $10.00 $3.25
009 Our Smoking Joe $11.00 $3.50
007 Perlin $13.00 $4.00
012 Niconero $13.00 $4.00
008 Valedictum $15.00 $4.50
001 Fields of Omagh $17.00 $5.00
013 Zankel $17.00 $5.00
014 Live In Vain $21.00 $6.00
016 Domesday $21.00 $6.00
006 Early Express $34.00 $9.25
002 Bomber Bill $41.00 $11.00
011 Great is Great $41.00 $11.00
018 Umaquest 2em $41.00 $11.00
004 Roman Arch $67.00 $17.50

I'm happy to have LOTM at those odds.

 

[Nuffs]

if only vroom vroom was guaranteed a start i'd be taking the $10. but there shouldn't be 3 scratchings in a group 1 race

i'm looking towards california dane (if it gets a run) and valedictum

i just don't think that LOTM will run a strong 1400m first up. as i said earlier, there will be no-one jumping on him quicker when he gets up to 1600m+

 

[Macca_]

I was on LOTM first up his last prep at 10's when he won nicely. Recall it was over 1400m...

Not to many real WFA horses in this mob...

 

[Macca_]

From expertform.com -

Comment: SPEED MAP SELECTIONS: 17,5,15,9,10,2, Good speed with Regal Roller, Live In Vain, California Dane and Vroom Vroom likely to go forward, Fingers crossed that California Dane somehow gets a start, could be the best sprinter we have seen in the last decade, winner last 4 at Moonee Valley including a track record breaking performance, Lad Of The Manor resumes but has won 3 from 4 1st up, good record this track and distance, Liston Stakes winner at Gr 2 level 1st up last campaign, set for a big Autumn, Perfect Promise has her first run for the Freedmans, winner 3 from 4 1st up, distance suits, don't let her under your guard, Our Smoking Joe goes well 2nd up and is worth consideration,

 

[Macca_]

Changed my mind a bit with LOTM having barrier 16....

Casual Pass could get a very cosy run from that barrier (6) and if it can sprint home like last start and is back to it's full fitness after injuries it could be right in it.

 

[Tim Brasher]

Lad of the Manor is the class horse and Perfect Promise runs tremendous fresh...I feel that if CD does not get a start these two will fight out the finish

 

[juggalo_strit]

I like Lad of the Manor.
Not too sure of the track at Caulfield.
Might just watch the whole meeting.

 

[Moffo]

well fields looks like being 20/1 ish which i still would contend is good value. Some real juicy odds in this race though