Can the ball carrier shoulder charge ?

[ozbash]

Can the ball carrier go into a tackle leading with his shoulder ?

Seen a lot of it in every game Ive watched and no penalty.

Whats the difference ?

 

[BDR]

From the laws of the game:

Shoulder Charge

Is where a defender, without attempting to tackle, grab or hold the ball-carrier (or any opposing player) using the arms or hands, makes direct physical contact using the shoulder or the upper arm (tucked into the side).

It will be considered misconduct, if any player affects a tackle in the manner as defined.

The indicators will include:

1. Rotation of the defenders hips and shoulders

2. Defender has ‘tucked’ his arm into his body.

http://www.nrl.com/laws-of-the-game-shoulder-charge/tabid/10874/newsid/71024/default.aspx

 

[magpie4ever]

Can the ball carrier go into a tackle leading with his shoulder ?

Seen a lot of it in every game Ive watched and no penalty.

Whats the difference ?

Hard to wrap your arms around the tackler when you are carrying the ball.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

I shoulder charge people out the way at the TAB when i have 5 seconds to get on a bet

 

[dogslife]

I shoulder charge people out the way at the TAB when i have 5 seconds to get on a bet

Carrying a ticket, carrying the ball. Same thing really

I hope it was big money on Wazn

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Carrying a ticket, carrying the ball. Same thing really

I hope it was big money on Wazn

:lol:

 

[reanimate]

I shoulder charge people out the way at the TAB when i have 5 seconds to get on a bet

:lol::lol:

 

[magpie4ever]

I shoulder charge people out the way at the TAB when i have 5 seconds to get on a bet

That's why you should punt via the net (don't have to risk possible charges/suspension)

 

[ozbash]

Hard to wrap your arms around the tackler when you are carrying the ball.

exactly, so why don't they get penalised ?

 

[WaznTheGreat]

That's why you should punt via the net (don't have to risk possible charges/suspension)

:lol:True

 

[magpie4ever]

exactly, so why don't they get penalised ?

True, that is why the ball carrier should be penalised for every attempted tackle - can't have the attempted tackler discriminated against.:crazy:

 

[reanimate]

That's why you should punt via the net (don't have to risk possible charges/suspension)

Betting without putting on the odd shoulder charge just takes the feeling out of it though.

 

[Danish]

As odd and/or stupid as some may think Ozbash's argument is, it actually is quite a valid question IMO.

Why are attacking players allowed to deliberately attack the heads of defenders? Are defenders impervious to the concussion injuries that were going to murder f**k the game or something?

A tackler getting their head in the wrong position is one thing, but a tackler bracing themselves and dropping the shoulder to bump people off... why is that any more legal that a defender doing the same thing? Both have the same risk/reward.

The fend is an even bigger irregularity in that we allow attacking players to strike people in the face in order to gain advantage? If a defender throws even the most lazy arm up and makes minor contact with the head, he is penalised. Why should an attacker be free from this punishment? You could argue that bumping people off is just natural ball running and any contact with the head is incidental, but using the free arm to strike at defenders heads is about as deliberate and targeted as you can get

 

[kmav23]

I shoulder charge people out the way at the TAB when i have 5 seconds to get on a bet

Is your first name Ryan t---y?

 

[Big Tim]

We follow the NFL.... we wont be allowed to take hitups anymore.

The NFL is outlawing attacking players leading with the crown of the helmet.

 

[magpie4ever]

As odd and/or stupid as some may think Ozbash's argument is, it actually is quite a valid question IMO.

Why are attacking players allowed to deliberately attack the heads of defenders? Are defenders impervious to the concussion injuries that were going to murder f**k the game or something?

A tackler getting their head in the wrong position is one thing, but a tackler bracing themselves and dropping the shoulder to bump people off... why is that any more legal that a defender doing the same thing? Both have the same risk/reward.

The fend is an even bigger irregularity in that we allow attacking players to strike people in the face in order to gain advantage? If a defender throws even the most lazy arm up and makes minor contact with the head, he is penalised. Why should an attacker be free from this punishment? You could argue that bumping people off is just natural ball running and any contact with the head is incidental, but using the free arm to strike at defenders heads is about as deliberate and targeted as you can get

The ball carrier (attacker) can be penalised/reported/suspended for attacking the tackler - such as, forearm to head of the tackler, deliberately running into the tackler with the knees.

Google - "George Moroko's forearm to Les Boyd's head" - Youtube clip.

If memory serves me right, a Craig Smith (Steelers) was rubbed out of the game for his running style.

 

[Danish]

I know they can get penalised for specific striking moves such as raised knees and forearm/elbow strikes, but Inglis can open palm strike people in the face as much as he likes and never get pinged

 

[magpie4ever]

I know they can get penalised for specific striking moves such as raised knees and forearm/elbow strikes, but Inglis can open palm strike people in the face as much as he likes and never get pinged

The open handed palm off is allowed from u15s (???) up.

 

[ozbash]

The ball carrier (attacker) can be penalised/reported/suspended for attacking the tackler - such as, forearm to head of the tackler, deliberately running into the tackler with the knees.

Google - "George Moroko's forearm to Les Boyd's head" - Youtube clip.

If memory serves me right, a Craig Smith (Steelers) was rubbed out of the game for his running style.

yep, realise that, Craig Smith should have been banned for life..

This season, with the new 'rule' I have noticed more than ever, the ball carrier leading into a tackle with ball under one arm and the shoulder on the other side the first point of contact.

Its almost as if they know the tackler is unable to return the favour..

 

[magpie4ever]

yep, realise that, Craig Smith should have been banned for life..

This season, with the new 'rule' I have noticed more than ever, the ball carrier leading into a tackle with ball under one arm and the shoulder on the other side the first point of contact.

Its almost as if they know the tackler is unable to return the favour..

Ok, can't say I have but could be right.