Central Coast Bears Franchise.

[dallymessenger]

How can the nrl say no to a franchise from that area and being the bears.

advantages :

1. RL represented in another strongly growing area.
2. Lots of juniors to draw from in the central coast area.
3. Strong finances with Nth Sydney and gosford LC behind them
4. Fantastic new ground with a train station and LC close by
5. Easy commute from sydney for nth sydney fans and sydeny teams playing there
6. 2 massive derby games vs manly and newcastle.
7. another foundation club resurrected so RL recognizing and reviving its history
8. get some of the fans we lost to AFL and union once the bears were killed off
9. engender good feeling about the game for RL fans

a further idea would be to play a couple of games each year at north sydney oval as well for the old norths fans.

the derby game vs manly would be massive there, and maybe the game against souths and the one against easts.

the Central Coast is a RL area. weve ignored it for too long. norths were originally promised a spot in the nrl if they moved to gosford and only bad rain kept them out as the ground wasnt finished on time.

with it being unlikely any sydney club will relocate there the nrl needs to step up and do this.

 

[bartman]

They lost ground to the Central Coast Mariners at the time, that's for sure. I guess the game wasn't ready to let two teams in, and on the Gold Coast league got the jump on AFL and soccer?

I hope that Central Coast bid/side is still an option when the NRL decide to next grow the game. But before the next stage of expansion I think a Sydney team would need to hit the wall or consider merging/relocating somewhere? Just a feeling.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

A team would be moving there, the Bears, they should be in the comp now. The only reason why the NRL want a Sydney team to move there is because they dont want to have to give another team a grant.

 

[Knight87]

I believe the next 2 teams to be admitted should be the C.Coast Bears and WA Reds (Perth). Those two teams do have what it takes to remain successful in the long run and both would be playing out of great stadiums. When I went to the Mariners vs Jets semi final at Gosford, and there was over 19,000 ppl packed in there, after the game, I thought to myself, "Oh, what could have been!........Rugby League really missed out bigtime on the Central Coast".

 

[eels_fan_01]

No more NSW teams please.

 

[dallymessenger]

They lost ground to the Central Coast Mariners at the time, that's for sure. I guess the game wasn't ready to let two teams in, and on the Gold Coast league got the jump on AFL and soccer?

I hope that Central Coast bid/side is still an option when the NRL decide to next grow the game. But before the next stage of expansion I think a Sydney team would need to hit the wall or consider merging/relocating somewhere? Just a feeling.

summer / winter sports.

plenty of room for both.

if an nrl team was put into the CC today would it be stronger and have more media than the soccer side?

of course it would

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

NSW teams arent the problem, its the amount of Sydney teams and that because nearly all are mismanaged.

 

[KempoKnight]

I live on the central coast and can tell you that the nrl would not regret putting a c.c team in place. It would draw decent crowds for every home game and thats just from the coast alone add the people that would come down to the game from other areas and they would be stupid not to put a team in place.

 

[dallymessenger]

NSW teams arent the problem, its the amount of Sydney teams and that because nearly all are mismanaged.

and if they were managed well they could all survive and prosper in sydney too.

a few years ago souths and cronulla were the 2 obvious clubs to move. now both have safeguarded their futures in sydney.

if saints or tigers were to leave sydney (they wont) it would be for wollongong and campbelltown.

parra and penrith are fine where they are, the dogs are very strong and easts have a good LC and good crowds.

no need for any to move out to gosford leaving the bears as the only option

 

[Knight87]

Central Coast isn't a part of Sydney. The NRL only classify Central Coast as a part of Sydney, to further their argument of the Sydney teams scenario so they don't have to award a license (and to conceal the fact that they did screw over the Bears in their relocation quest to the C.Coast), when infact, only a few years earlier, Neil Whittaker promised the Bears a license on the ground of "regional team". Central Coast extends from North of the Hawkesbury River right up to the south of Lake Macquarie (Wyee area). That's an untapped market of over 300,000 people and stacks of local juniors playing in the Rugby League comp there, with a top facility all-seater stadium located in Gosford.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

The only option I can see for Sydney teams is merge and there is to many pros to tell any club in Sydney to merge. To be honest, I think the NRL will only offer one NRL licence to a certain region to Sydney and basically force the teams to merge.

 

[Knight87]

and if they were managed well they could all survive and prosper in sydney too.

a few years ago souths and cronulla were the 2 obvious clubs to move. now both have safeguarded their futures in sydney.

if saints or tigers were to leave sydney (they wont) it would be for wollongong and campbelltown.

parra and penrith are fine where they are, the dogs are very strong and easts have a good LC and good crowds.

no need for any to move out to gosford leaving the bears as the only option

South Sydney, yes. I definitely agree they were destined to move, until Holmes a Court/Crowe came onboard.

Cronulla, I'd say, is the only Sydney team that is in the firing line of all the Sydney teams (to stay in the comp in the longterm future). Not only the financial aspect, but they are the only geographical anomaly in Sydney, wedged between St George and Illawarra territory, hence population wise, not being able to grow as much (pretty stagnant). Also, the fact that they haven't won anything isn't a pretty sight either.

 

[Knight87]

If C.Coast was admitted, their home matches vs Newcastle and Manly at Gosford would definitely more than pack the ground to the point where they'd have to erect temporary grandstands in the ground (which is what happened when the Central Coast leg of the 2000 Olympic torch relay ceremony occured). So, crowd attendances is definitely not an issue.

 

[girvie]

How can the nrl say no to a franchise from that area and being the bears.

advantages :

1. RL represented in another strongly growing area.
2. Lots of juniors to draw from in the central coast area.
3. Strong finances with Nth Sydney and gosford LC behind them
4. Fantastic new ground with a train station and LC close by
5. Easy commute from sydney for nth sydney fans and sydeny teams playing there
6. 2 massive derby games vs manly and newcastle.
7. another foundation club resurrected so RL recognizing and reviving its history
8. get some of the fans we lost to AFL and union once the bears were killed off
9. engender good feeling about the game for RL fans

a further idea would be to play a couple of games each year at north sydney oval as well for the old norths fans.

the derby game vs manly would be massive there, and maybe the game against souths and the one against easts.

the Central Coast is a RL area. weve ignored it for too long. norths were originally promised a spot in the nrl if they moved to gosford and only bad rain kept them out as the ground wasnt finished on time.

with it being unlikely any sydney club will relocate there the nrl needs to step up and do this.

I totally agree.

The Central Coast Bears would provide a team for the Central Coast and Sydney's North Shore. Which has a combined population bigger than any other NRL team in NSW.

 

[juanfarkall]

Having read from time to time that Newcastle struggle financially, would the entry of a Central Coast team create more problems for the Knights ?
I don't know much about either area hence the question.

 

[Perth Red]

Whilst the CC would offer a fair bit to the NRL I can't see it unless a NRL Sydney team moves or two Sydney teams merge to free up a place. Further thinning of the NSW corporate $, ?impact on Knights, ability to draw 20,000+ fans (which I reckon will become the expectation), no significant new TV viewing market (RL fans on CC already watch NRL on TV) are reasons the NRL will use I feel to not go there

 

[BrisVegas]

While in an ideal world the CC would have a team, the NRL is definitely not ideal in design. Even Gallop admitted in his Q&A with Ricky Stuart yesterday that if they were designing the competition from a clean slate less Sydney teams would be included.

As to your points Daily:

1. RL represented in another strongly growing area.

RL is already strongly represented in the area. The CC Storm call the region home in the NSW Cup, many NRL games are played out of Blue Tounge every year, and 10 of the existing 16 clubs are within driving distance of the CC. The CC has far more representation than Perth/Wellington/PNG/West Brisbane/Sunshine Coast.

2. Lots of juniors to draw from in the central coast area.

No doubt, but as per above there are 10 existing clubs within driving distance for the juniors to seek a career with if they wish to stay relatively local.

3. Strong finances with Nth Sydney and gosford LC behind them.

Have you been reading this site, the papers, or the financial statements of the various leagues clubs lately? The days of Leagues clubs propping up football clubs are well and truly over. In many cases the LC's are becoming the rope noose around the clubs necks.

4. Fantastic new ground with a train station and LC close by

Agreed, which bodes well for the CC with many of the suburban Sydney ground nearing the ends of their lives.

5. Easy commute from sydney for nth sydney fans and sydeny teams playing there.

Yes and it goes both ways - It's easy for current CC'ers to make it to Sydney/Newcastle for NRL games.

6. 2 massive derby games vs manly and newcastle.

Yes, but that would apply to any club that moved there, not just the bears.

7. another foundation club resurrected so RL recognizing and reviving its history

The Bears still exist, they've just dropped down a level of competition like Newton, Glebe and University before them.

8. get some of the fans we lost to AFL and union once the bears were killed off

If Bears fans were true fans of the game, and not just the club they haven't left in the first place.





While sad that a foundation club such as the Bears was mismanaged to bankruptcy, I don't see how they can re-enter.

1. Gallop has stated that the NRL sees Perth, Wellington, the Central Coast and SE-QLD (again) as likely bases for future NRL clubs. PNG are now also gunning for a licence.

2. He has stated that 18 teams is the highest the NRL can accommodate.

3. He has stated (numerous times, including just yesterday) that the NRL believe there are too many Sydney based clubs.

4. There is an $8 million dollar offer for an existing team to relocate to the Central Coast.

5. The available sponsorship and corporate support in the greater Sydney area is strongly contested, the 10 clubs within driving distance won't want yet another competitor, especially given the financial concerns of NSW clubs over the coming years.

6. It is becoming more and more apparent that most Suburban Parks/Stadiums are not fit to host NRL clubs (Leichhardt , Campbelltown, Brookvale, Toyota Park, OKI) making Blue Tounge stadium more attractive proposition.

7. An additional Central Coast team won't provide the increase in TV revenue that Perth or Wellington can.

8. A relocation to the CC is a far easier sell then to Perth or NZ or QLD. Fans can still get to the stadium relatively easy.



Read between the lines, a Central Coast team is likely, but it will be a relocation. An NRL license is far too valuable a commodity to be wasted on yet another NSW club within driving distance of 10 existing teams.

When (and it is when, not if) a Sydney club relocates to the CC the NRL will be able to easily cover 3 of their desired expansion locations by raising the number of clubs to 18.

 

[Rockin Ronny]

While in an ideal world the CC would have a team, the NRL is definitely not ideal in design. Even Gallop admitted in his Q&A with Ricky Stuart yesterday that if they were designing the competition from a clean slate less Sydney teams would be included.

As to your points Daily:

1. RL represented in another strongly growing area.

RL is already strongly represented in the area. The CC Storm call the region home in the NSW Cup, many NRL games are played out of Blue Tounge every year, and 10 of the existing 16 clubs are within driving distance of the CC. The CC has far more representation than Perth/Wellington/PNG/West Brisbane/Sunshine Coast.

2. Lots of juniors to draw from in the central coast area.

No doubt, but as per above there are 10 existing clubs within driving distance for the juniors to seek a career with if they wish to stay relatively local.

3. Strong finances with Nth Sydney and gosford LC behind them.

Have you been reading this site, the papers, or the financial statements of the various leagues clubs lately? The days of Leagues clubs propping up football clubs are well and truly over. In many cases the LC's are becoming the rope noose around the clubs necks.

4. Fantastic new ground with a train station and LC close by

Agreed, which bodes well for the CC with many of the suburban Sydney ground nearing the ends of their lives.

5. Easy commute from sydney for nth sydney fans and sydeny teams playing there.

Yes and it goes both ways - It's easy for current CC'ers to make it to Sydney/Newcastle for NRL games.

6. 2 massive derby games vs manly and newcastle.

Yes, but that would apply to any club that moved there, not just the bears.

7. another foundation club resurrected so RL recognizing and reviving its history

The Bears still exist, they've just dropped down a level of competition like Newton, Glebe and University before them.

8. get some of the fans we lost to AFL and union once the bears were killed off

If Bears fans were true fans of the game, and not just the club they haven't left in the first place.





While sad that a foundation club such as the Bears was mismanaged to bankruptcy, I don't see how they can re-enter.

1. Gallop has stated that the NRL sees Perth, Wellington, the Central Coast and SE-QLD (again) as likely bases for future NRL clubs. PNG are now also gunning for a licence.

2. He has stated that 18 teams is the highest the NRL can accommodate.

3. He has stated (numerous times, including just yesterday) that the NRL believe there are too many Sydney based clubs.

4. There is an $8 million dollar offer for an existing team to relocate to the Central Coast.

5. The available sponsorship and corporate support in the greater Sydney area is strongly contested, the 10 clubs within driving distance won't want yet another competitor, especially given the financial concerns of NSW clubs over the coming years.

6. It is becoming more and more apparent that most Suburban Parks/Stadiums are not fit to host NRL clubs (Leichhardt , Campbelltown, Brookvale, Toyota Park, OKI) making Blue Tounge stadium more attractive proposition.

7. An additional Central Coast team won't provide the increase in TV revenue that Perth or Wellington can.

8. A relocation to the CC is a far easier sell then to Perth or NZ or QLD. Fans can still get to the stadium relatively easy.



Read between the lines, a Central Coast team is likely, but it will be a relocation. An NRL license is far too valuable a commodity to be wasted on yet another NSW club within driving distance of 10 existing teams.

When (and it is when, not if) a Sydney club relocates to the CC the NRL will be able to easily cover 3 of their desired expansion locations by raising the number of clubs to 18.

What a load of rubbish.
Gallop was bleating last week about tribalism and the history of the game.
Until he Bears are admitted, as promised, rugby league will have a smell about it.
Ignoring all this generalised rubbish above, the main reason the CC Bears has been backstabbed is because the NSW-Based clubs know what apowerful team it will be.

So, the NRL, instead of being genuine about growth - are still as pathetially insular and self-absorbed as they were in Arko's day.

Only the NRL can see a franchise which brings such massive advantages (the CC and north shore; well funded, great junior base, reintroduction of an establishment club etc) and concoct spurious, baseless arguments against its introduction.

 

[dallymessenger]

While in an ideal world the CC would have a team, the NRL is definitely not ideal in design. Even Gallop admitted in his Q&A with Ricky Stuart yesterday that if they were designing the competition from a clean slate less Sydney teams would be included.

As to your points Daily:

1. RL represented in another strongly growing area.

RL is already strongly represented in the area. The CC Storm call the region home in the NSW Cup, many NRL games are played out of Blue Tounge every year, and 10 of the existing 16 clubs are within driving distance of the CC. The CC has far more representation than Perth/Wellington/PNG/West Brisbane/Sunshine Coast.

2. Lots of juniors to draw from in the central coast area.

No doubt, but as per above there are 10 existing clubs within driving distance for the juniors to seek a career with if they wish to stay relatively local.

3. Strong finances with Nth Sydney and gosford LC behind them.

Have you been reading this site, the papers, or the financial statements of the various leagues clubs lately? The days of Leagues clubs propping up football clubs are well and truly over. In many cases the LC's are becoming the rope noose around the clubs necks.

4. Fantastic new ground with a train station and LC close by

Agreed, which bodes well for the CC with many of the suburban Sydney ground nearing the ends of their lives.

5. Easy commute from sydney for nth sydney fans and sydeny teams playing there.

Yes and it goes both ways - It's easy for current CC'ers to make it to Sydney/Newcastle for NRL games.

6. 2 massive derby games vs manly and newcastle.

Yes, but that would apply to any club that moved there, not just the bears.

7. another foundation club resurrected so RL recognizing and reviving its history

The Bears still exist, they've just dropped down a level of competition like Newton, Glebe and University before them.

8. get some of the fans we lost to AFL and union once the bears were killed off

If Bears fans were true fans of the game, and not just the club they haven't left in the first place.





While sad that a foundation club such as the Bears was mismanaged to bankruptcy, I don't see how they can re-enter.

1. Gallop has stated that the NRL sees Perth, Wellington, the Central Coast and SE-QLD (again) as likely bases for future NRL clubs. PNG are now also gunning for a licence.

2. He has stated that 18 teams is the highest the NRL can accommodate.

3. He has stated (numerous times, including just yesterday) that the NRL believe there are too many Sydney based clubs.

4. There is an $8 million dollar offer for an existing team to relocate to the Central Coast.

5. The available sponsorship and corporate support in the greater Sydney area is strongly contested, the 10 clubs within driving distance won't want yet another competitor, especially given the financial concerns of NSW clubs over the coming years.

6. It is becoming more and more apparent that most Suburban Parks/Stadiums are not fit to host NRL clubs (Leichhardt , Campbelltown, Brookvale, Toyota Park, OKI) making Blue Tounge stadium more attractive proposition.

7. An additional Central Coast team won't provide the increase in TV revenue that Perth or Wellington can.

8. A relocation to the CC is a far easier sell then to Perth or NZ or QLD. Fans can still get to the stadium relatively easy.



Read between the lines, a Central Coast team is likely, but it will be a relocation. An NRL license is far too valuable a commodity to be wasted on yet another NSW club within driving distance of 10 existing teams.

When (and it is when, not if) a Sydney club relocates to the CC the NRL will be able to easily cover 3 of their desired expansion locations by raising the number of clubs to 18.

you read gallops intentions rightly, that what i think he wants too.

but what if no sydney club fails. name a club which will move there, when i look at them, there are no candidates. so that means a new entity has to be created. if thats the case why not the bears to capture the tradition and ex fans?

im not sure LC will go out of existance. like all good businesses with a new challenge they adapt their business ie costs and pricing to recover.


gallop might say 18 is the maximum number now, but if wellington, perth and queensland put in strong bids that demand inclusion, will they stop at 18 eventually - not necessarily.

i think 22 is the correct number. 21 round season each team playing each other once

 

[Dragon Slayer]

South Sydney, yes. I definitely agree they were destined to move, until Holmes a Court/Crowe came onboard.

Cronulla, I'd say, is the only Sydney team that is in the firing line of all the Sydney teams (to stay in the comp in the longterm future). Not only the financial aspect, but they are the only geographical anomaly in Sydney, wedged between St George and Illawarra territory, hence population wise, not being able to grow as much (pretty stagnant). Also, the fact that they haven't won anything isn't a pretty sight either.

Your a f*ckwitt!

Take a look at your own backyard finance wise.

And don't worry about our territory we'll be owning the whole of the St.George & Illawarra region very soon when they collapse.