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Then everytime theirs a penalty just tap it then flop at the defenders feet and take how many tackles were gone in the set
The RLIF is essentially an arm of the NRL.http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...rom-rugby-league/story-e6frexnr-1226520747167
Honestly, who do we think we are! This is why the rlif should be the governing body of the entire sport.
NZRL are on board and I'd bet my last cent on the poms being on board by 2013 kickoff aswell.It really f**ks me off when Australian administrators arrogantly change the rules of the game and expect the rest of the world to adjust.
And this is the worst rule change they've ever made. f**kin idiots.
I think i'll be watching a lot more ESL in 2013.
FFS the problem isn't only high shoulder charges. Legal shoulder charges have a g-force more than 70% in excess of standard tackles. Even legal shoulder charges can cause long term damage.How can they be sued.. there is already a law in place banning ANY tackle attacking the head. So its not as tho the league allows high shoulder chargers.
Maybe more than 1 player should have responded to the survey they were given then....Most players that I've seen on twitter the past couple of days have condemned the decision. As i said earlier there hasn't been something that has united players like this in a long time.
FFS the problem isn't only high shoulder charges. Legal shoulder charges have a g-force more than 70% in excess of standard tackles. Even legal shoulder charges can cause long term damage.
Players are blowing up on twitter
http://www.foxsports.com.au/league/...players-own-good/story-e6frf3ou-1226520898445
I'm slowly backing away from this thread now whilst no one is watching.
It's a tad embarrassing when the side you're on is being over represented by the victim blamers, the end of the worlders, the conspiracy theorists, the histrionic and the hysterical, and those who would like to deny those with a different opinion the right to express it without abusing them in return.
Slowly...backing...away...shhhhh
Are they all that because people really have behaved in that manner or are they all that because they've simply expressed views that don't gel with your own! Certainly, your own take on poster behavior isn't exactly above reproach.It's a tad embarrassing when the side you're on is being over represented by the victim blamers, the end of the worlders, the conspiracy theorists, the histrionic and the hysterical, and those who would like to deny those with a different opinion the right to express it without abusing them in return.
The RLIF is essentially an arm of the NRL.
NZRL are on board and I'd bet my last cent on the poms being on board by 2013 kickoff aswell.
FFS the problem isn't only high shoulder charges. Legal shoulder charges have a g-force more than 70% in excess of standard tackles. Even legal shoulder charges can cause long term damage.
Maybe more than 1 player should have responded to the survey they were given then....
It was only last year or the year before, a young St Gregs Campbelltown player died from a (illegal) shoulder charge to the chest region during a rugby union game.
Now, I don't really give a shite about g-forces and this evidence (or medical study) v's that or the NFL studies don't relate to the NRL - it is banned, gone - good riddance.
I have heard the same argument continuous from the doomdayers - if you ban the shoulder charge you need to ban tackling, etc, etc. OK, have your way - ban the phucking game.
Anyone interested can go and play rugby union. Done deal - I will talk to the ARLC, a complete ban should be announced within a week or two.
Looking forward to the British/Irish Lions tour.
I'm not a passionate supporter of banning it but I can accpet it as its such a minor part of the game. Some musings to some of the points raised -
NFL comparison is irrelevant - The NFL dwarfs the NRL by virtually every measure but there are obvious similarities between the two ? certain amount of plays to get so far, having ball runners being tackled, many with shoulder charges. Unlike the NRL there have been large, long term studies done on the effects of repeated concussions in the NFL. There was a strong correlation with repeat concussions and FATAL brain diseases and suicides later in life. Not a 30% or 50% increase but 300-400% more likely.
Back in 2011 intentional helmet-to-helmet collision were banned. Not only this but defenseless players cannot be hit in the head or neck with the shoulder or forearm. A defenseless player includes passers, kickers, receivers without time to avoid contact, ball carrier whose progress stopped etc.
Is there much difference between padded helmet-to-helmet collisions and non-padded head-to-shoulder collisions and far as trauma goes?
NFL still allows shoulder charges - Aside from a defenseless player, yes, the NFL still allows shoulder charges as a legitimate tackling technique. Would they, however, if there were no helmets or huge shoulder pads?
What about other injuries? Do they not matter? - You can?t compare a knee injury, even a serious career ending one which could also be surgically corrected later, with a FATAL brain disease. There is a difference between injuries likely to inconvenience your life and those likely to kill you. It?s the reason spear tackles are banned. Has anyone died from a spear tackle in the NRL? No? Then why are they banned? You can?t even go beyond horizontal now. Risk mitigation, along with dangerous throws, tripping, crusher tackles etc.
Boxing/MMA is allowed - There is a difference in liability which rests with the insurance companies rather then the governing body. Generally speaking boxing club membership has a reasonably high premium component, which then skyrocket on the individual for pro fights, as well as ironclad waivers. And as others have said the whole raison d?etre is taking head shots. No one plays league for that.
More concussions come from the knee/hip - The onus here is on the defender?s technique. Accidents will always happen with tackles gone wrong but the big difference is intent. A defender doesn?t go into the tackle trying to inflict concussion on himself, but rather the ball carrier. Maybe concussion is not the intent but trying to whack the guy as hard as possible with the shoulder and knowing that concussion is a distinct possibility. The ball carrier doesn?t have much of a say, unlike the tackler.
The Jarrod McCraken incident players were sued, not the NRL - Only because spear tackles were contrary to the rules and deemed foul play.
All 16 doctors supported the proposal. Not a single dissenting voice. Not one. To suggest the ARLC then ignore it is non-sensical. There would?ve been an injunction before the season starts by some medical body or safety advocate now the word is out.
(NLF) Commissioner Roger Goodell spoke at the Harvard School of Public Health, where he trumpeted the league?s efforts to increase the safety of its players and proclaimed that ?medical decisions override everything else.?
Thousands of ex-players are suing the NFL. Compensation may still be sought from the NRL as well in future but if they didn?t draw a line in the sand, in light of the club doctors support, it would be open season, potentially bankrupting the game.
Three retired NFL players received at least $2 million in disability payments as a result of brain trauma injuries from their playing days, according to an article by ESPN and the PBS series ?Frontline.?
The payments were made in the 1990s and early 2000s by the Bell/Rozelle NFL Player Retirement Plan, a committee comprising representatives of the owners, players and NFL commissioner.
As there is currently no such benevolent fund in league the buck will stop with the NRL.
Civilisation is inexorably moving to remove risk and promote safety in all facets of life. It is unavoidable. People may vote with their feet next season, and so be it, but it won?t change this decision. It is done. Time to move on.
Of course, neglect to actually address the fact that the kid (who was 16 years old) went to hospital, was sent home and died 3 days after the incident. It demonstrated two things:
- 2 doctors in the hospital were incompetent.
- Shoulder charges don't belong in junior sport with developing bodies - of course Shoulder Charges are banned in Junior League competitions.
Would you also support banning players jumping to contend for a bomb - more injuries result from that as long as the ARLC said it was so? Glad you don't need evidence for the organising body to change the game for no reason.
So because people believe removing something that is used to market the game without strong evidence is going to damage the game, we are doomsdayers? Interesting.
Under that sort of logic, you could be considered a little bitch who likes to be told what to do.. Does it make sense? No, but neither does your accusation.
Why would I support Union when the NRL is slowly going there?
" the commission would not be deterred by either the players' backlash or public opinion that they were doing the wrong thing"
It is. I'm proud of the ARLC for showing they have the ability to withstand criticism and make unpopular decisions when necessary. "player backlash" and "public opinion" don't pay legal bills.Awesome news :roll:
It is. I'm proud of the ARLC for showing they have the ability to withstand criticism and make unpopular decisions when necessary. "player backlash" and "public opinion" don't pay legal bills.