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Crawley's got a Mary Love mate !

denis preston

First Grade
Messages
8,195
Nearly spewed when i read this.Who is this Mitch Jennings ? Mouthpiece apologist for the club obviously.Love it when he mentions the young player development and doesn't connect it to the coaching staff !


PAUL McGregor isn't about to be sacked.


Club chief executive Brian Johnston went out of his way to make that clear to numerous sections of the media last week, including The Mercury.

It'd be one of the all-time great dummies if it proves a smother, but it would take a dramatic shift in current thinking from the club's heavy hitters for him not to see out the season.

Contrary to what some people seem to believe, it's not a media creation. The question's been asked and the answer given.

Results of have been awful of late, losing nine of 11 games - abysmally in two most recent defeats - and would put any coach under pressure.

The anger of fans is understandable but, as Johnston said, the club can't make decisions with that as a sole factor. It has to look dispassionately at all factors at play.

It includes the fact the club simply hasn't had the top four roster it has on paper on the park. You can already hear the mass hum of Twitter thumbs mobilising whenever you make that point but it's a reality.

The stakes in the Jack de Belin saga rose again on Wednesday and the challenge of navigating the lengthy "no-fault stand-down process" is a first for any club to deal with.

The injury toll McGregor has dealt with is also self-evident. Both are clearly contributing, if not determining, factors in the club's current position.

Would they be enough to see an off-contract coach spared the axe? Probably not, but McGregor is signed for the next two seasons. You can debate the merits of the contract extension the club negotiated in April but it's also a reality.

All coaches, McGregor as much as any, know that there's no such things as job security in NRL coaching. Contracts provide a financial safeguard, they don't guarantee you'll keep your job that long.

The Dragons, however, are not in a position to pay out two years of a coaching contract. Paying two coaches - one of them not to coach your side - has hardly proved a smart move elsewhere in the NRL.

You also need to consider the club is also paying de Belin a hefty wage not to play for them this season - not of its own doing - and will continue to do so into 2020.

Making the huge decision of sacking a coach on the run mid-season would serve no purpose, disappointing as the current situation is.

It's obviously not hard to find answers as to where it's gone wrong this season. Where it gets better is tougher to ponder.

It also reveals perhaps the most disappointing aspect of the Dragons season. Not one of the club's young crop has produced a truly breakout season.

'Young' is a relative term when you look at the likes of Matt Dufty (23), Luciano Leilua (23), Jacob Host (22), Blake Lawrie (22) and Jai Field (21). None are rookies anymore.

They're of course not to blame for their side's predicament but, amid injuries and unavailability of marquee men, you would have hoped at least one, ideally two or three, jumped up and grabbed their opportunity by the throat.

Lawrie is the only one to have found some measure of consistency. Leilua has shown flashes of his best but was dropped for a game for being late to training.

Dufty has spent time in Canterbury Cup while Field hasn't really given McGregor any headaches when the the likes of Corey Norman and Ben Hunt have returned from Origin injury.

As a whole, they've continued to play like a supporting cast and - harsh as it sounds - like players already contracted for 2020.

The other glaring issue has been in the back five.

McGregor has admittedly struggled to find the right formula in his back three while centres Tim Lafai and Euan Aitken have not been at their best. Aitken's form dip after being in the Origin mix last season has been particularly baffling.

Both have served to highlight how badly the Dragons have missed super-sub Leeson Ah Mau and chief metre-eater Nene Macdonald.

They're areas recruitment chief Ian Millaward will need to look at, despite having little wriggle room in the cap. The salary cap position will also play into any move on McGregor's future.

Frizell, de Belin, James Graham, Host, Lafai, Leilua and Zac Lomax are all off contract next season. Cam McInnes, Paul Vaughan, Norman and Dufty are off-contract the year after.

McGregor has the chance, with you would assume less disruptions, to turn it around with largely the same group he took to the semi-finals last season.

If things don't turn around, the club has much more practical and financial scope for an overhaul in both its coaching and playing ranks next year and into 2021.

A knee-jerk sacking at this stage of a season achieves little, and would come with a hefty price tag. It just doesn't make sense.

URL LINK: https://www.illawarramercury.com.au...f-tough-questions-best-saved-for-seasons-end/
 
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grouch

First Grade
Messages
8,393
The Mercury is Pravda. Mitch Jennings wrote the infamous love letter from Sean O'Connor as well, don't forget, claiming McGregor is a supercoach who should be Dragons coach. Pathetic

The only Dragons coach that the idiot Illawarraites on the Mockery staff (like Tim Barrow) applied pressure on was Wayne Bennett. Wonder why
 

Coffs dragon

Bench
Messages
4,247
Wow probably some ghost writer paid by the club to spin the propaganda. To think we cannot afford to sack Mary and pay him out, yet the club can waste funds surrounding him with incompetent assistants/ advisors / pathway sweepers etc. etc.
Yet the only one staff member (Demetriou) that has any success in developing players & winning... they get rid of him cause he's a threat in the pecking order pigs trough!
At least our club is consistent in it's incompetency!
 

possm

Coach
Messages
15,590
Nearly spewed when i read this.Who is this Mitch Jennings ? Mouthpiece apologist for the club obviously.Love it when he mentions the young player development and doesn't connect it to the coaching staff !


PAUL McGregor isn't about to be sacked.


Club chief executive Brian Johnston went out of his way to make that clear to numerous sections of the media last week, including The Mercury.

It'd be one of the all-time great dummies if it proves a smother, but it would take a dramatic shift in current thinking from the club's heavy hitters for him not to see out the season.

Contrary to what some people seem to believe, it's not a media creation. The question's been asked and the answer given.

Results of have been awful of late, losing nine of 11 games - abysmally in two most recent defeats - and would put any coach under pressure.

The anger of fans is understandable but, as Johnston said, the club can't make decisions with that as a sole factor. It has to look dispassionately at all factors at play.

It includes the fact the club simply hasn't had the top four roster it has on paper on the park. You can already hear the mass hum of Twitter thumbs mobilising whenever you make that point but it's a reality.

The stakes in the Jack de Belin saga rose again on Wednesday and the challenge of navigating the lengthy "no-fault stand-down process" is a first for any club to deal with.

The injury toll McGregor has dealt with is also self-evident. Both are clearly contributing, if not determining, factors in the club's current position.

Would they be enough to see an off-contract coach spared the axe? Probably not, but McGregor is signed for the next two seasons. You can debate the merits of the contract extension the club negotiated in April but it's also a reality.

All coaches, McGregor as much as any, know that there's no such things as job security in NRL coaching. Contracts provide a financial safeguard, they don't guarantee you'll keep your job that long.

The Dragons, however, are not in a position to pay out two years of a coaching contract. Paying two coaches - one of them not to coach your side - has hardly proved a smart move elsewhere in the NRL.

You also need to consider the club is also paying de Belin a hefty wage not to play for them this season - not of its own doing - and will continue to do so into 2020.

Making the huge decision of sacking a coach on the run mid-season would serve no purpose, disappointing as the current situation is.

It's obviously not hard to find answers as to where it's gone wrong this season. Where it gets better is tougher to ponder.

It also reveals perhaps the most disappointing aspect of the Dragons season. Not one of the club's young crop has produced a truly breakout season.

'Young' is a relative term when you look at the likes of Matt Dufty (23), Luciano Leilua (23), Jacob Host (22), Blake Lawrie (22) and Jai Field (21). None are rookies anymore.

They're of course not to blame for their side's predicament but, amid injuries and unavailability of marquee men, you would have hoped at least one, ideally two or three, jumped up and grabbed their opportunity by the throat.

Lawrie is the only one to have found some measure of consistency. Leilua has shown flashes of his best but was dropped for a game for being late to training.

Dufty has spent time in Canterbury Cup while Field hasn't really given McGregor any headaches when the the likes of Corey Norman and Ben Hunt have returned from Origin injury.

As a whole, they've continued to play like a supporting cast and - harsh as it sounds - like players already contracted for 2020.

The other glaring issue has been in the back five.

McGregor has admittedly struggled to find the right formula in his back three while centres Tim Lafai and Euan Aitken have not been at their best. Aitken's form dip after being in the Origin mix last season has been particularly baffling.

Both have served to highlight how badly the Dragons have missed super-sub Leeson Ah Mau and chief metre-eater Nene Macdonald.

They're areas recruitment chief Ian Millaward will need to look at, despite having little wriggle room in the cap. The salary cap position will also play into any move on McGregor's future.

Frizell, de Belin, James Graham, Host, Lafai, Leilua and Zac Lomax are all off contract next season. Cam McInnes, Paul Vaughan, Norman and Dufty are off-contract the year after.

McGregor has the chance, with you would assume less disruptions, to turn it around with largely the same group he took to the semi-finals last season.

If things don't turn around, the club has much more practical and financial scope for an overhaul in both its coaching and playing ranks next year and into 2021.

A knee-jerk sacking at this stage of a season achieves little, and would come with a hefty price tag. It just doesn't make sense.
It was stupid and reckless to extend Mary's contract so early in the season given the history over the past few years. To me it was an insurance measure so management could have an excuse not to sack him.

The only significant injury was Widdop's shoulder and Widdop was surplus anyway. He should have been let go as soon as he asked for a release and the 900k cap saved should have been used to sign a good fullback or a couple of good centres. Again our two worst performers Aitken and Lafai were signed long term even when their form in the previous season was not something special.

The club is in a mess only because unqualified people are put into decision making positions and making they are making poor decisions.

It is a mess and we need a clean out to rectify the situation.
 

muzby

Village Idiot
Staff member
Messages
45,710
A knee-jerk sacking at this stage of a season achieves little, and would come with a hefty price tag. It just doesn't make sense.
You know what doesn’t make sense, Mitch?

Extending him by two years during an abysmal run of form.

If we had a run like last year, I get it.

But this year? No.

That extension makes no f**king sense at all.
 

ST Tangles 01

Juniors
Messages
557
I could cop that if it was a one off season
I can't cop it as we have been the same since Mary has been coach
The squad has improved but the performance hasn't
His been coach for a while now and the following has not improved
- use of the bench
- blooding players and giving them time on the field in amongst regular players to develop (not just throwing them in at the deep end during SOO)
- inability to manage players workload and resting them at inappropriate times or not at all
- inability to drop underperforming senior players
- inability to coach the errors out of players eg constant rushing in of our centres leaving wingers exposed

I'm sure there is more I could list

That's my 5 minute review and I can see the issues why can't the club
 

denis preston

First Grade
Messages
8,195
I tried to rely to this article in todays murcury but low & behold it wouldn't let me ! For some of our forumites with better skills in this area who about you respond to this article and ask Mitch Jennings the hard questions. Would love to see his response.
 

BLM01

First Grade
Messages
9,019
Nearly spewed when i read this.Who is this Mitch Jennings ? Mouthpiece apologist for the club obviously.Love it when he mentions the young player development and doesn't connect it to the coaching staff !


PAUL McGregor isn't about to be sacked.


Club chief executive Brian Johnston went out of his way to make that clear to numerous sections of the media last week, including The Mercury.

It'd be one of the all-time great dummies if it proves a smother, but it would take a dramatic shift in current thinking from the club's heavy hitters for him not to see out the season.

Contrary to what some people seem to believe, it's not a media creation. The question's been asked and the answer given.

Results of have been awful of late, losing nine of 11 games - abysmally in two most recent defeats - and would put any coach under pressure.

The anger of fans is understandable but, as Johnston said, the club can't make decisions with that as a sole factor. It has to look dispassionately at all factors at play.

It includes the fact the club simply hasn't had the top four roster it has on paper on the park. You can already hear the mass hum of Twitter thumbs mobilising whenever you make that point but it's a reality.

The stakes in the Jack de Belin saga rose again on Wednesday and the challenge of navigating the lengthy "no-fault stand-down process" is a first for any club to deal with.

The injury toll McGregor has dealt with is also self-evident. Both are clearly contributing, if not determining, factors in the club's current position.

Would they be enough to see an off-contract coach spared the axe? Probably not, but McGregor is signed for the next two seasons. You can debate the merits of the contract extension the club negotiated in April but it's also a reality.

All coaches, McGregor as much as any, know that there's no such things as job security in NRL coaching. Contracts provide a financial safeguard, they don't guarantee you'll keep your job that long.

The Dragons, however, are not in a position to pay out two years of a coaching contract. Paying two coaches - one of them not to coach your side - has hardly proved a smart move elsewhere in the NRL.

You also need to consider the club is also paying de Belin a hefty wage not to play for them this season - not of its own doing - and will continue to do so into 2020.

Making the huge decision of sacking a coach on the run mid-season would serve no purpose, disappointing as the current situation is.

It's obviously not hard to find answers as to where it's gone wrong this season. Where it gets better is tougher to ponder.

It also reveals perhaps the most disappointing aspect of the Dragons season. Not one of the club's young crop has produced a truly breakout season.

'Young' is a relative term when you look at the likes of Matt Dufty (23), Luciano Leilua (23), Jacob Host (22), Blake Lawrie (22) and Jai Field (21). None are rookies anymore.

They're of course not to blame for their side's predicament but, amid injuries and unavailability of marquee men, you would have hoped at least one, ideally two or three, jumped up and grabbed their opportunity by the throat.

Lawrie is the only one to have found some measure of consistency. Leilua has shown flashes of his best but was dropped for a game for being late to training.

Dufty has spent time in Canterbury Cup while Field hasn't really given McGregor any headaches when the the likes of Corey Norman and Ben Hunt have returned from Origin injury.

As a whole, they've continued to play like a supporting cast and - harsh as it sounds - like players already contracted for 2020.

The other glaring issue has been in the back five.

McGregor has admittedly struggled to find the right formula in his back three while centres Tim Lafai and Euan Aitken have not been at their best. Aitken's form dip after being in the Origin mix last season has been particularly baffling.

Both have served to highlight how badly the Dragons have missed super-sub Leeson Ah Mau and chief metre-eater Nene Macdonald.

They're areas recruitment chief Ian Millaward will need to look at, despite having little wriggle room in the cap. The salary cap position will also play into any move on McGregor's future.

Frizell, de Belin, James Graham, Host, Lafai, Leilua and Zac Lomax are all off contract next season. Cam McInnes, Paul Vaughan, Norman and Dufty are off-contract the year after.

McGregor has the chance, with you would assume less disruptions, to turn it around with largely the same group he took to the semi-finals last season.

If things don't turn around, the club has much more practical and financial scope for an overhaul in both its coaching and playing ranks next year and into 2021.

A knee-jerk sacking at this stage of a season achieves little, and would come with a hefty price tag. It just doesn't make sense.
I actually think this article for a journo is the most balanced with pot shots over both sides of the fence at the club..and at desperate supporters about this year anyway, and stating the facts of what the club is doing / thinking.
I still dont buy the excuses and the journos forget (which fans dont) about the bigger picture, history and pulled apart stats over the past 9 years, player recruitment / retention and selection based on performance standards and all the other quietly publicised football department in house (some failed) appointments without external scrutiny from journos and members
 

denis preston

First Grade
Messages
8,195
This is what i tried to respond to this:
First of all Mitch the 3 coaching staff have been in 5 years and only won one prelim final ( and that game was way out of character to what we were playing before and after ). In fact this one prelim final is our only final victory in 9 seasons.Unlike our CEO i'd hardly call it a "Pass mark ". You talk about 9 losses in 11 games but it is really is 24 losses in over 30 odd games so it is worst than just this season. Injuries doesn't help but when the side is getting lapped by 20 & 30 points it shows up a lack of ability of the staff to instill the necessary grit the side needed .You mention the young players not coming up to expectations but who is responsible for their improvement, the 3 coaches ! Also why do some players who make the same mistakes week to week retain their positions and others dont ? I could go on & on but the Board made a massive error in resigning the coach and the timing of such is still so baffling that it makes you wonder our future under that sort of thinking. If they don't move on the coaching staff watch the gate takings, membership & merchandise fall so we will lose money anyhow.
 

BLM01

First Grade
Messages
9,019
You know what doesn’t make sense, Mitch?

Extending him by two years during an abysmal run of form.

If we had a run like last year, I get it.

But this year? No.

That extension makes no f**king sense at all.
He implied it was a debatable decision at the time but too late now!
 
Messages
2,866
Nearly spewed when i read this.Who is this Mitch Jennings ? Mouthpiece apologist for the club obviously.Love it when he mentions the young player development and doesn't connect it to the coaching staff !


PAUL McGregor isn't about to be sacked.


Club chief executive Brian Johnston went out of his way to make that clear to numerous sections of the media last week, including The Mercury.

It'd be one of the all-time great dummies if it proves a smother, but it would take a dramatic shift in current thinking from the club's heavy hitters for him not to see out the season.

Contrary to what some people seem to believe, it's not a media creation. The question's been asked and the answer given.

Results of have been awful of late, losing nine of 11 games - abysmally in two most recent defeats - and would put any coach under pressure.

The anger of fans is understandable but, as Johnston said, the club can't make decisions with that as a sole factor. It has to look dispassionately at all factors at play.

It includes the fact the club simply hasn't had the top four roster it has on paper on the park. You can already hear the mass hum of Twitter thumbs mobilising whenever you make that point but it's a reality.

The stakes in the Jack de Belin saga rose again on Wednesday and the challenge of navigating the lengthy "no-fault stand-down process" is a first for any club to deal with.

The injury toll McGregor has dealt with is also self-evident. Both are clearly contributing, if not determining, factors in the club's current position.

Would they be enough to see an off-contract coach spared the axe? Probably not, but McGregor is signed for the next two seasons. You can debate the merits of the contract extension the club negotiated in April but it's also a reality.

All coaches, McGregor as much as any, know that there's no such things as job security in NRL coaching. Contracts provide a financial safeguard, they don't guarantee you'll keep your job that long.

The Dragons, however, are not in a position to pay out two years of a coaching contract. Paying two coaches - one of them not to coach your side - has hardly proved a smart move elsewhere in the NRL.

You also need to consider the club is also paying de Belin a hefty wage not to play for them this season - not of its own doing - and will continue to do so into 2020.

Making the huge decision of sacking a coach on the run mid-season would serve no purpose, disappointing as the current situation is.

It's obviously not hard to find answers as to where it's gone wrong this season. Where it gets better is tougher to ponder.

It also reveals perhaps the most disappointing aspect of the Dragons season. Not one of the club's young crop has produced a truly breakout season.

'Young' is a relative term when you look at the likes of Matt Dufty (23), Luciano Leilua (23), Jacob Host (22), Blake Lawrie (22) and Jai Field (21). None are rookies anymore.

They're of course not to blame for their side's predicament but, amid injuries and unavailability of marquee men, you would have hoped at least one, ideally two or three, jumped up and grabbed their opportunity by the throat.

Lawrie is the only one to have found some measure of consistency. Leilua has shown flashes of his best but was dropped for a game for being late to training.

Dufty has spent time in Canterbury Cup while Field hasn't really given McGregor any headaches when the the likes of Corey Norman and Ben Hunt have returned from Origin injury.

As a whole, they've continued to play like a supporting cast and - harsh as it sounds - like players already contracted for 2020.

The other glaring issue has been in the back five.

McGregor has admittedly struggled to find the right formula in his back three while centres Tim Lafai and Euan Aitken have not been at their best. Aitken's form dip after being in the Origin mix last season has been particularly baffling.

Both have served to highlight how badly the Dragons have missed super-sub Leeson Ah Mau and chief metre-eater Nene Macdonald.

They're areas recruitment chief Ian Millaward will need to look at, despite having little wriggle room in the cap. The salary cap position will also play into any move on McGregor's future.

Frizell, de Belin, James Graham, Host, Lafai, Leilua and Zac Lomax are all off contract next season. Cam McInnes, Paul Vaughan, Norman and Dufty are off-contract the year after.

McGregor has the chance, with you would assume less disruptions, to turn it around with largely the same group he took to the semi-finals last season.

If things don't turn around, the club has much more practical and financial scope for an overhaul in both its coaching and playing ranks next year and into 2021.

A knee-jerk sacking at this stage of a season achieves little, and would come with a hefty price tag. It just doesn't make sense.
This idiot either suffers from selective amnesia OR is having a lend.
Sacking the coach NOW would stop the coaching charade.
 

BLM01

First Grade
Messages
9,019
This is what i tried to respond to this:
First of all Mitch the 3 coaching staff have been in 5 years and only won one prelim final ( and that game was way out of character to what we were playing before and after ). In fact this one prelim final is our only final victory in 9 seasons.Unlike our CEO i'd hardly call it a "Pass mark ". You talk about 9 losses in 11 games but it is really is 24 losses in over 30 odd games so it is worst than just this season. Injuries doesn't help but when the side is getting lapped by 20 & 30 points it shows up a lack of ability of the staff to instill the necessary grit the side needed .You mention the young players not coming up to expectations but who is responsible for their improvement, the 3 coaches ! Also why do some players who make the same mistakes week to week retain their positions and others dont ? I could go on & on but the Board made a massive error in resigning the coach and the timing of such is still so baffling that it makes you wonder our future under that sort of thinking. If they don't move on the coaching staff watch the gate takings, membership & merchandise fall so we will lose money anyhow.
No it is not 24 losses out of 30. this year we are 6 out of 17. last 13 games last year we won 6-7.
Journos wont respond if you make up stuff like they do to support your argument..cause the rest of what you say is close to spot on except they appear to be not losing much on membership No's (they say more than last year), gate takings...yeh but we had some crap time slots and weather especially in Wollongong games.
 

giboz71

First Grade
Messages
8,951
Why is the blame for the non development of juniors not placed on the coaching staff? Isn't that their job, to coach and develop?

Surely the development of Reuben Garrick who was rubbish for us, but is now starring for the previously lowly fancied Sea Eagles under Des Hasler, shows the failures of our coaching staff with regards to juniors?
 
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Why is the blame for the non development of juniors not placed on the coaching staff? Isn't that their job, to coach and develop?

Surely the development of Reuben Garrick who was rubbish for us, but is now starring for the previously lowly fancied Sea Eagles under Des Hasler, shows the failures of our coaching staff with regards to juniors?
Garrick is only one example and is amplified when you start comparisons with the way other clubs go about their development programs.
 

Slippery Morris

First Grade
Messages
7,444
Under Mary's coaching the Saints are either really good (Against Broncs in Semi, starts of 2017/18 season) or really bad. There is no in between. That has been the case since he started coaching. It is obvious.

It is quite obvious why and the journo touched on it. That is Mary cannot blood these juniors properly to make an impact like all other teams do. Xeri comes in kills it for Sharks, Cotric out of nowhere now a star, Kikau etc. All because the coach shows faith and throws them in and gives them a proper chance. Field, Luc, etc where given 5 mins to get a taste or when a flop is injured. Why is Latimore getting all these valuable minutes when guys like Luciano, Timm, Kerr etc should be getting experience. Why did a 30yo get a run at 1/2 instead of Field last week? Why is Lafai/Aitken getting heaps of game time when they continue to play poorly rather than give Lomax a go at centre? I know Lomax was injured but not last year? Best of all why didn't Garrick get a chance at all after seeing him this season? Why? Because Mary has no idea about the youth and has not trust at all in the "Pathways system" that Millward has got going. It seems to work well for Manly and Warriors with Herbert and Garrick. He would rather play a guy that has played 100 games of NRL from the bench as a sub at most clubs, than a young guy who can gain some experience.
 

merahputih

Juniors
Messages
922
I tried to rely to this article in todays murcury but low & behold it wouldn't let me ! For some of our forumites with better skills in this area who about you respond to this article and ask Mitch Jennings the hard questions. Would love to see his response.
Like a lot of papers the Mercury has put up a pay wall- you have to sign up for a subscription to get into the website.
 
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