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CupWatch #3 - Wales

adamkungl

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Wales,
one of the sport's bigger European hopes, had a tough time of it in 2017. They took a young team up against a rampaging PNG in the Port Moresby humidity and things didn't improve much from there.

2018 was an improvement, comfortably putting scores on Ireland and Scotland to qualify early for the World Cup, despite being outclassed by France.
2019 was all quiet on the test front, with only a couple of domestic development internationals played.

In 2020 they'll take on Ireland and Spain in the Euros and will be hoping to make a statement in that group and get to a final.
If they're lucky, Australia or England might visit for a game around the Kangaroo Tour Ashes series.
Wales u19s will also take part in the Championships in Italy, with players hoping to push for World Cup selection.

They've named a high performance squad going into the WC
https://www.nospam18.com/wales/wales-elite-train-on-squad-revealed-for-next-2-years

Here's their best possible:

1 Aekins (Penrith)
2 Grace (St Helens)
3 Butler (Huddersfield)
4 Kear (Salford)
5 Williams (Salford)
6 Ralph (Easts QLD)
7 Green (Bradford)
8 Flower (Wigan)
9 Fozard (London)
10 Dudson (Salford)
11 Kopczak (Wakefield)
12 Lloyd (Swinton)
13 Knowles (St Helens)

14 Davies (Halifax)
15 Bennion (Swinton)
16 Evans (Toulouse)
17 Fleming (Halifax)

As usual in recent times, they struggle to put up a full 17 or even 13 with first grade football behind them. They have no halves (to my knowledge) in SL or NRL squads, and unfortunately a number of the above players are either uncapped or haven't represented Wales in some time, so their willingness to play is unknown. Taking into account injuries too, it's reasonably certain that a heavy Championship and League 1 contingent will end up taking the field.

On the upside though, the squad will be older and wiser by 2021 having played a few years together. Guys like Grace, Kear, Williams, Kopczak and Knowles have shown loyalty and will no doubt be raring to go in 2021.
Regan Grace in particular will be primed to light up the tournament, hitting his best years and playing at Super League's strongest club. He can do things on his feet that only Roger Tuivasa-Sheck can match in the sport.

WC Pool Opponents:
Tonga
PNG
Cook Islands

Crucial Game: There's no easy game for them. Tonga are obviously 2 steps ahead, Cook Islands won't be a simple task, and PNG put up a big score in their last meeting.
But, assuming they can handle the Cookies, the game vs PNG is the obvious one to look forward to. The winner of this game is likely to progress to the quarter finals. Wales need a huge swing from 2017.

Predicted Finish: Pool exit in 3rd place
Difficult to see them beating PNG and maybe even Cook Islands might be a tough one. Heading in the right direction after a low point through the last decade, but they still need to get more players moving up through the grades before they are a real threat. Would love to be wrong about this!
 
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welshmagpie

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Lewis Dodd (St Helens half back) is Welsh eligible though has played for England’s juniors.

also Josh Pinder (Huddersfield Giants reserve half) is Welsh eligible.

good post though.
 

adamkungl

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Next up.. will stick with the Super League theme and do
Scotland
France
Jamaica
Italy
and see what I can dig up on Greece...
 
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jim_57

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I can see Cooks Islands rolling Wales pretty easily to be honest but hoping to be surprised.

I'm not sure what Wales need but at the moment they don't seem to have it. Ideally they'd have at least 5-10 Welsh Born/Bred players like Grace playing in Super League with systems in place to regularly develop them.

Really they probably need an ambitous 3rd pro club based out of somewhere like Cardiff or Swansea aiming for at least Championship level to provide another stepping stone between League 1 and Super League.

In their current situations North Wales & South Wales hardly seem likely to attract much promising young talent in a country where Union is so big.
 

adamkungl

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I can see Cooks Islands rolling Wales pretty easily to be honest but hoping to be surprised.

I'm not sure what Wales need but at the moment they don't seem to have it. Ideally they'd have at least 5-10 Welsh Born/Bred players like Grace playing in Super League with systems in place to regularly develop them.

Really they probably need an ambitous 3rd pro club based out of somewhere like Cardiff or Swansea aiming for at least Championship level to provide another stepping stone between League 1 and Super League.

In their current situations North Wales & South Wales hardly seem likely to attract much promising young talent in a country where Union is so big.

To be competitive in a WC you really need a starting 13 Super League minimum, they've got 5-10 and it doesn't cut it against the likes of PNG.

Cook Islands is really hard to get an idea of what team they'll put on the park. Could be anything in terms of professional experience. This year's tests will give us a better indication.

Regarding Wales development - the local game seems to be on the rise from what I can tell. Hopefully that translates into some gradual improvement in their 2 professional clubs. An eventual 3rd club based near Cardiff would be good for the sport's growth.

Wonder if West Wales Raiders will get their 2nd win this year
 

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To be competitive in a WC you really need a starting 13 Super League minimum, they've got 5-10 and it doesn't cut it against the likes of PNG.

Cook Islands is really hard to get an idea of what team they'll put on the park. Could be anything in terms of professional experience. This year's tests will give us a better indication.

Regarding Wales development - the local game seems to be on the rise from what I can tell. Hopefully that translates into some gradual improvement in their 2 professional clubs. An eventual 3rd club based near Cardiff would be good for the sport's growth.

Wonder if West Wales Raiders will get their 2nd win this year

I was more talking about a Welsh born "core" of players they can rely on, not counting any heritage players which could fill out the side. They have a few, unfortunately a lot of those (Flower, Dudson, Kear, White) came through when Crusaders were in SL, there hasn't been many since. So when those players retire in coming years the number will drop again unless a new "wave" of Welsh players come along.

In 2018 Wales U-16 beat their England opponents, I'd be interested to see a 'where are they now?' for that team.

Edit: https://rugbyleague.wales/rl-match-...MjM4&mid=MjQ4OTIx&tid=MTA1NTU4&optid=MTA1Mjc0

WALES
1. Harvey McDaid (St Peter and Paul Catholic School, Widnes / Halton Farnworth Hornets & St Helens)
2. Shaun Webber (Afon Taf High School / Aber Valley Wolves)
3. Billy Glover (Wade Deacon High School, Widnes / Halton Farnworth Hornets & Widnes Vikings)
4. Finn Swift (Range High School, Formby / Blackbrook Royals)
5. Joel Davies (Ysgol Gyfun Gymraeg Llangynwyd / West Wales Raiders)
6. James Machin (Great Sankey High School, Warrington / Crosfields ARLFC & Warrington Wolves)
7. Iestyn Hopkins (Ysgol Gyfun Ystalyfera / West Wales Raiders)
8. Ieuan Badham (Milford Haven Comprehensive School / West Wales Raiders)
9. Keenan McDaid (St Peter and Paul Catholic School, Widnes / Halton Farnworth Hornets & St Helens)
10. Ewan Badham (Milford Haven Comprehensive School / West Wales Raiders)
11. Teifion Thomas (Tonypandy Community College / Rhondda Outlaws)
12. Jacob Lee (Ysgol Gyfun Cwm Rhymni / Aber Valley Wolves)
13. Lewis Hall (Great Sankey High School, Warrington / Crosfields & Warrington Wolves)
Subs:
14. Adam Young (Rougemont School / Aber Valley Wolves)
15. Matthew Jones (Ysgol Uwchradd Bodedern / Leigh Miners Rangers)
16. Will Smith (Gateacre School / Halton Farnworth Hornets & St Helens)
17. Kyle Huish (Ysgol Gyfun Cwm Rhymni / Aber Valley Wolves)
 

welshmagpie

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I was more talking about a Welsh born "core" of players they can rely on, not counting any heritage players which could fill out the side. They have a few, unfortunately a lot of those (Flower, Dudson, Kear, White) came through when Crusaders were in SL, there hasn't been many since. So when those players retire in coming years the number will drop again unless a new "wave" of Welsh players come along.

In 2018 Wales U-16 beat their England opponents, I'd be interested to see a 'where are they now?' for that team.

Edit: https://rugbyleague.wales/rl-match-...MjM4&mid=MjQ4OTIx&tid=MTA1NTU4&optid=MTA1Mjc0

WALES
1. Harvey McDaid (St Peter and Paul Catholic School, Widnes / Halton Farnworth Hornets & St Helens)
2. Shaun Webber (Afon Taf High School / Aber Valley Wolves)
3. Billy Glover (Wade Deacon High School, Widnes / Halton Farnworth Hornets & Widnes Vikings)
4. Finn Swift (Range High School, Formby / Blackbrook Royals)
5. Joel Davies (Ysgol Gyfun Gymraeg Llangynwyd / West Wales Raiders)
6. James Machin (Great Sankey High School, Warrington / Crosfields ARLFC & Warrington Wolves)
7. Iestyn Hopkins (Ysgol Gyfun Ystalyfera / West Wales Raiders)
8. Ieuan Badham (Milford Haven Comprehensive School / West Wales Raiders)
9. Keenan McDaid (St Peter and Paul Catholic School, Widnes / Halton Farnworth Hornets & St Helens)
10. Ewan Badham (Milford Haven Comprehensive School / West Wales Raiders)
11. Teifion Thomas (Tonypandy Community College / Rhondda Outlaws)
12. Jacob Lee (Ysgol Gyfun Cwm Rhymni / Aber Valley Wolves)
13. Lewis Hall (Great Sankey High School, Warrington / Crosfields & Warrington Wolves)
Subs:
14. Adam Young (Rougemont School / Aber Valley Wolves)
15. Matthew Jones (Ysgol Uwchradd Bodedern / Leigh Miners Rangers)
16. Will Smith (Gateacre School / Halton Farnworth Hornets & St Helens)
17. Kyle Huish (Ysgol Gyfun Cwm Rhymni / Aber Valley Wolves)

you’re in luck...

WALES
Harvey McDaid (St Helens Youth)
Shaun Webber (Amateur RL - Wales)
Billy Glover (Widnes Vikings Reserves)
Finn Swift (Amateur RL - Wales)
5. Joel Davies (quit rugby)
6. James Machin (amateur RL - England)
7. Iestyn Hopkins (Amateur RU)
8. Ieuan Badham (Hull FC Youth)
9. Keenan McDaid (St Helens Youth)
10. Ewan Badham (Amateur RU)
11. Teifion Thomas (Amateur RU)
12. Jacob Lee (Amateur RL - Wales)
13. Lewis Hall (Warrington Reserves)
Subs:
14. Adam Young (Amateur RL - Wales)
15. Matthew Jones (don’t know)
16. Will Smith (quit rugby)
17. Kyle Huish (Wigan Youth)
 

adamkungl

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you’re in luck...

WALES
Harvey McDaid (St Helens Youth)
Shaun Webber (Amateur RL - Wales)
Billy Glover (Widnes Vikings Reserves)
Finn Swift (Amateur RL - Wales)
5. Joel Davies (quit rugby)
6. James Machin (amateur RL - England)
7. Iestyn Hopkins (Amateur RU)
8. Ieuan Badham (Hull FC Youth)
9. Keenan McDaid (St Helens Youth)
10. Ewan Badham (Amateur RU)
11. Teifion Thomas (Amateur RU)
12. Jacob Lee (Amateur RL - Wales)
13. Lewis Hall (Warrington Reserves)
Subs:
14. Adam Young (Amateur RL - Wales)
15. Matthew Jones (don’t know)
16. Will Smith (quit rugby)
17. Kyle Huish (Wigan Youth)

There's a few coming through grades at least
 

jim_57

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you’re in luck...

WALES
Harvey McDaid (St Helens Youth)
Shaun Webber (Amateur RL - Wales)
Billy Glover (Widnes Vikings Reserves)
Finn Swift (Amateur RL - Wales)
5. Joel Davies (quit rugby)
6. James Machin (amateur RL - England)
7. Iestyn Hopkins (Amateur RU)
8. Ieuan Badham (Hull FC Youth)
9. Keenan McDaid (St Helens Youth)
10. Ewan Badham (Amateur RU)
11. Teifion Thomas (Amateur RU)
12. Jacob Lee (Amateur RL - Wales)
13. Lewis Hall (Warrington Reserves)
Subs:
14. Adam Young (Amateur RL - Wales)
15. Matthew Jones (don’t know)
16. Will Smith (quit rugby)
17. Kyle Huish (Wigan Youth)

Thanks! 5 with Super League clubs and 1 Championship is a decent turnout I suppose.
 
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