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Cyclic ketogenic diet

Cliffhanger

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Really against low carb diets, the best of the lot are the carb cycling ones in which you never go less than 100 grams of carbs a day and never more than three days in a row on low carb.

But in general they are very hard to sustain and you just shouldn't put your body through it. It's okay to cut carbs for a short period but too long and you're asking for trouble and you really do not want to go under 100 grams a day and that's on low carb days when you're carb cycling.

When you're eating a lot of protein or fat you need more veggies and fruits (carbs). Protein rich foods contain this amino acid, methionine and it converts to homocysterine. Access homocysterine damages the lining of the arteries, when monocytes go to repair these tears, they attract cholesterol, which leads to blockages. The vitamins in fruits and veggies help break down some homocysterine.
 

Red Bear

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not to mention carbs are vital for proper functioning of the brain and gaining energy in general
 

18to87

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not to mention carbs are vital for proper functioning of the brain and gaining energy in general

Not completely true:

http://www.mendosa.com/blog/?p=282

I believe most healthy weight people only need 75-125g of carbs per day to live a perfectly healthy and optimal life. If you are overweight or skinny fat then you should eat less until you become healthier. Lower carbs and higher healthy fat intake leads to ketone production for energy which is a perfectly healthy state and in fact most of our organs prefer to run on ketones.

Obviously if you are exercising a great deal such as for triathlons etc you will need to eat more carbs but not near the amount that we have been led to believe.
 

Cliffhanger

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Dude, that article was released five-years-ago that's like forever in sports medicine years. Sticking to a diet high in protein in low in carbohydrates will lead to liver failure. Not only that, but that source is barely credible in the first place, it may be written by a doctor, but it's not even peer reviewed.
 

18to87

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Dude, that article was released five-years-ago that's like forever in sports medicine years. Sticking to a diet high in protein in low in carbohydrates will lead to liver failure. Not only that, but that source is barely credible in the first place, it may be written by a doctor, but it's not even peer reviewed.

What does that matter? This is stuff you find in textbooks.

You ignore fat in your statement there. It is not the enemy that the average person has been brainwashed in to believing. Grass fed meat and high quality animal products, olive oil, coconut oil etc should be a large part of everyone's diet instead of the high carb and vegetable oil infested inflammatory diet that is leading many of us to diabetes, heart disease etc.
 
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Frailty

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What does that matter? This is stuff you find in textbooks.

You ignore fat in your statement there. It is not the enemy that the average person has been brainwashed in to believing. Grass fed meat and high quality animal products, olive oil, coconut oil etc should be a large part of everyone's diet instead of the high carb and vegetable oil infested inflammatory diet that is leading many of us to diabetes, heart disease etc.

It matters because if it isn't peer reviewed it essentially questions the validity of tests and statements. Furthermore, stuff you find in textbooks have been peer-reviewed but they get update with each new edition.

Realistically you should have a diet of 50% carbs, 40%Protein, 10% fat - though not in those exact portions (40-40-20, 50-30-20, also work). These should be from nutritionally rich foods such as grass fed meat, fresh vegetables, etc.
 

Cliffhanger

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It really is not the stuff you find in textbooks, it's the stuff you find in the fad diet books.

Fat Carbs and Protein are all important in a diet, but go ahead and calculate how much fat and protein you would need to make up your daily calorie needs if you only ate only 75 grams of carbs and tell me that's a balanced diet.

Excess protein or fat consumption leads to cholesterol build up without eating enough fruits and veggies you won't get vitamins to help break down that homocysterine which damages the linings of your arteries. Too much carbs also lead to adiposity. But under 100 grams of carbs when you're not trying to lose weight is going to cause problems. Your body will start breaking down your muscles for energy which is not what you want.

You don't want to just be a healthy weight you want to be healthy, you cannot be healthy without participating in physical activities and the best energy you get for that will always be from carbs.
 

18to87

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You guys need to watch the movie Fathead. Also try reading one of Gary Taubes' books.

I eat a high fat, moderate protein and low carb diet (mostly just vegetables) and it has helped me lose 40kg's in 2 years, my strength has gone up, I now have a 6 pack for the first time since I was a kid and my blood work is excellent. I am not just one person there are many out there who eat this way - it is no fad.

Most of us blindly listen to GP's and doctors with little to no training in nutrition only what they are taught by big pharma. I don't blame them, doctors are busy people and it is understandable that they don't have the time to follow along with the research. We are all also easily mislead by companies promising us "heart healthy" foods and "healthy whole grains" - its all a load of BS just to make money. Trans fats were healthy for years and years (thanks to lobbying from the soy and corn industries) until the research finally caught up - however many people I know still cook with vegetable oils and use margarine. Don't be fooled in to thinking eating 50% carbs is healthy - it's not and we are paying for it with diabetes, heart disease, obesity and more. There is also no clear link between high cholesterol and heart disease. Most people with heart disease have normal cholesterol.

Look at India - there was essentially zero diabetes and heart disease until the western diet was introduced in the 60's and now look at them they are world leaders in both. They went from cooking everything with ghee and having none of these diseases to using margarine and vegetable oils instead and eating processed carbs.

We can all agree on eating vegetables and fruit (for those who are healthy) and yeah I agree that not everyone needs under 100g's of carbs especially those who undertake intense exercise. But unless you are running triathlons etc you do not need a great deal more.
 
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Fire

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is clenbuterol really that bad? known a few league/union players and some boxers who've used it.
 

Cliffhanger

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You do realise a lot of nutritionists do not even have university degrees, right? They understand nutrition on a very basic level and they don't have a proper understanding of the energetics of exercise. Most of them are obsessed with getting their clients quick results so they gain conviction in their plans and most of these people will end up putting the weight back on. Pointing the finger at fruit, is completely the wrong attitude to take. The issue isn't fruit.


A high fat, low carb diet will be unsustainable for the far majority of people, and I guarantee you, that if you upped your carbs and lowered your fat intake you would see better results. Glucose is your quickest source of energy. If you want t resynthesise ATP as quickly as possible you need more carbs.

The fact is everybody should be doing at least an hour of moderate intensity exercise a day (or half an hour of high intensity exercise- note unless you're obese or really old walking does not count).

I hope for your sake, you can sustain yourself with low carbs and continue to make gains. However, the fact is it's completely wrong for the majority of people and it will backfire for most of them. For every person who comes out saying low-carb is good practice there are dozens of more credible studies proving that they're wrong.

Look at the longest living people on Earth, all the blue zones, they not only live longer than people in the west but they age a lot healthier. The Okinawans the longest living ones traditional diet relies heavily on vegetables, wholegrains and fruit.

You got a six pack after two years of training? I did it in seven months I went from being 160 cm and over 80 kg, to being under 60kg and I was benching over 60kg (for a girl that' good) too. I ate a lot of fruit. Post workout I would eat five servings of fruit and a tuna sandwich on wholemeal bread.

Lo carb diets are built to get quick results, that's about it.
 

Danish

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The right diet is the one that works for you. End of story.


We can all argue till the cows come home about which is better, but at the end of the day if you've found a diet that you can stick with and are maintaining a healthy weight and body fat percentage then you are fine.
 

Joker's Wild

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Not all carbs are evil. Diabetes and obesity in Western countries has been brought on by diets high in 2 specific types of carbohydrates: sugar and starch
 

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