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Do I have a leg to stand on?

Moffo

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I was in the TAB yesterday and looking to have a punt on a few different sports

Anyways, i laid a fair wage on Fremantle to be winning at the end of each quarter. Apparently the ref didn't hear the final bell, st kilda kicked a behind and the match was declared a draw. Most people think its bullsh*t (and that the result will get overturned)but the TAB has already paid out on a draw.

Sportsbet have already started paying out on the Freo win, but i went to scan my ticket at the TAB today and it said no pay

So the questions i have:

- Do I have a right to claim my winnings if result gets reversed
- Whats the likelihood of the TAB paying on both results?
- Why did I bet on AFL?
 

Mr Saab

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TAB are not going to change the result. They have paid out on a draw.
You can take it to court, but i wouldnt waste your time unless your ticket would have paid 100k.
 

Moffo

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im sure they have....didnt they once in RL when the points were taken off Brisbane because of them having an extra player?
 

Mr Saab

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No, that was a Bronco win and paid out for a win.
Moffo, i am on your side as a punter, but i am afraid you have no leg to stand on.
It was the same in 2002 when the dogs lost 37 points and people wanted to take betting agencies to court because they had souths for the spoon and other various bets.
The result stood as a Dogs last place.
 

juggalo_strit

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But the result stood in the Bulldogs case because the NRL didn't change there decision.
If the AFL change there decision you may infact have a leg too stand on.

Hold onto your ticket until it gets resolved by the AFL.
 

Moffo

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well it got overturned tonight and ive already fired off emails to sportstab and the AFL. Ill be down there with my placards tomorrow :lol:

seriously, its not really fair. I picked the right result yet i lose? TAB makes squillions a year, surely they can afford to pay out on a few thousand
 

El Diablo

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if anything it's the AFL who's responsible as they originally informed betting afencies the match was a draw
 

Moffo

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agreed el, and the AFL should be covering up their stuff up. foxsports are saying that the tab will continue to refuse to pay.

well ive so far emailed the TAB and AFL and told them how much of a joke they are. Ill never bet on AFL again and will be setting up a betting account with another agency. The TAB can get f**ked, greedy dirty dodgy pricks
 

Nuffs

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no way is this the TAB's fault

were they suppsoed to not pay on any WINNING tickets until the issue was finally resolved? punters would be fuming that they couldn't collect

the AFL faxed them the WINNING result as a draw, 30 minutes after the game finished

the AFL should have actually thought about the situation and not declared the result until they were 100% that they would/n't change the result

the AFL should have to pay the TAB for the money they have to pay back to the people who backed FREO.
 

les amber

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how much coin are we talking here Moffo...

sounds bloody unlucky > but seriously, why were you betting on teh aerial Ping Pong, didnt you know the 14th World Championships in Croquet were being played in Burma as we speak. with Ukraine Sven Ughtrzerksi a raging hot favourite at 5-1.
 

Foz

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I reckon you should be paid.
However if you back a horse and it wins you collect your money after the race.
You still keep your money even if the horse returns a positive swab.
You dont get paid on the second horse if you backed it and it gets the race.
What was the name of that thing that won the blue diamond and got disqualified a couple of months later?(Roadsong? maybe or did it run second?)
I did hear of a Stradbroke Handicap where the winner got disqualified later.
The jockey had already spent his percentage of the winnings (on a new Car)and he had to give it back.(so the rumour goes).
I was credited with 8/8 on the Aussie Rules last weekend.
Theres a prize involved for picking the round and a score in one of the matches.Missed that match's correct score by 4 points.
No doubt some genius would of picked the exact score(and the round).
I think its $500 first prize
Anyway I picked St Kilda and as a result my score has been amended to 7/8.(cant pick a draw).
Wonder if the winning weekly entry picked St Kilda or Freemantle.
Do they take the $500 off them if they picked St Kilda?
 

Tom Shines

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The TAB suspends betting as soon as Andrew Johns gets the sniffles, but when a result gets overturned, they can't hack it. Any reason the TAB can find to rip off people, it will. A lot more people picked Freo than a draw, so of course they won't overturn it. A lot more people had Souths for the spoon instead of the Dogs, so guess what? Paying out on Bulldogs.

All the more reason to open up a Centrebet account. (And yes, this is from a former TAB employee).
 

El Diablo

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Coleman said:
Paying out on Bulldogs.

who won the spoon?

Coleman said:
All the more reason to open up a Centrebet account. (And yes, this is from a former TAB employee).

Centrebet aren't paying out on the win either

from http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,19018611-23211,00.html

Centrebet's Gerard Daffy said his agency had paid out on the draw and not a Dockers victory.


"We paid out on the two winners getting half of their total so it was a costly mistake for us, but we have no recourse so we cop it on the chin and move on ," Daffy said.


"Most of the punters backed St Kilda so they have been paid half so there are a lot more happy punters than unhappy."



Daffy said the AFL left itself open to legal challenges once it accepted money from gambling.
 

Pigskin

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this article may be of some interest

The TAB are just leeches on the public

I punt quite a bit on sports, rarely with Sportbet ... cause they are tards


Bookies not paying winning tickets
By Daryl Timms
May 4, 2006

PUNTERS who backed Fremantle to beat St Kilda can keep their tickets as souvenirs after TAB Sportsbet last night reaffirmed it would not pay out on a Dockers victory.


TAB Sportsbet manager Gary Davies admitted life would have been much easier if the match had remained a draw, and victory not been awarded to Fremantle.
There were five winning tickets in TAB Sportsbet Footyquad that would have netted each punter $32,500 had the Dockers been declared the winner on Sunday.
The punters are considering class action against the AFL to claim their winnings.
The pool has jackpotted to $162,911 for the weekend's round.
Davies said the TAB had begun paying out on a draw when the AFL notified it of the result - a draw - about 30 minutes after the game.
"We've paid out the bets as per the rules, that's the TAB Sportsbet rules and the AFL rules as per the official result which were faxed to us by the AFL," Davies said.
"There will be some upset punters, no doubt. We are all punters and talk through our kick (pocket) for a variety of reasons.
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"There will definitely be some seriously upset punters, but there are a lot of people who have got money now who should not have and I'm pretty sure no one will ring us up and say, 'Have this back'.

"As per normal procedures, TAB Sportsbet received the league's official AFL match results sheet by fax about 30 minutes after the match on Sunday declaring the game a draw."
Davies said a Fremantle victory would have been a much better financial result for the TAB than the draw.
Asked about possible legal action, he said it was the prerogative of any individual to consider.
Centrebet's Gerard Daffy said his agency had paid out on the draw and not a Dockers victory.
"We paid out on the two winners getting half of their total so it was a costly mistake for us, but we have no recourse so we cop it on the chin and move on ," Daffy said.
"Most of the punters backed St Kilda so they have been paid half so there are a lot more happy punters than unhappy."
Daffy said the AFL left itself open to legal challenges once it accepted money from gambling.
Sportingbet's Michael O'Sullivan said the Darwin betting agency had paid out on a draw and a Fremantle victory because it was the moral thing to do.
He said it had cost more than $100,000 but that was the advantage of being an entrepreneurial company that could look at anomalies such as the Tassie game and then make a decision.
"We started paying out on Fremantle nearly straight away because we thought it was the fair thing to do because it's hard enough to back a winner without it being taken off you," Sullivan said.
"Our view and actions have been justified by the decision now made by the AFL Commission.
"We are more than happy with what has happened." Sullivan said as well as paying out the "winning" Fremantle bets, his company had obviously not pocketed what should have been losing bets.

Herald Sun

Oink !
 

Moffo

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i would've won $500 les. its a fair amount

The TAB are not doing their job because they should be pressuring the AFL to cover the payments. (totally agree with you Nuffs)

They are lousy pricks and I've told them as much in a series of emails and even a phone call. They can get farked, im on the look out for a new betting agency
 
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