Dragons chase Jarryd Hayne

[possm]

Why do you assume it will take 2 years? Why can't he improve skills over an off season? Why can't these skills be worked on in first grade? It's really only tweaking that needs to be done, not changing the fundamentals of his game, and as long as his overall input is not detrimental to the first grade team, why must he learn in ISP?

Dufty will learn nothing of the sort in reserve grade. He needs NRL defence experience

He is too far away from what is needed. If he could learn it all this off-season then I would have no problem with him pushing Hayne to left centre. The whole reason for the discussion is that many do not believe he can rise to the required level/standard over an off-season.

I'd say it is his size and body structure more than anything. If he had a bigger frame and more weight without losing speed then you would have a good argument. Dufty would have a lot more confidence taking the high ball and defending one on one is his frame was larger and a lot more solid.

 

[Dragonslayer]

2 comments here:

1. I doubt that the club is shopping Dufty around. More like his manager opening up for season 2020 and beyond. 2019 will be a defining season for the Duff. I expect him to be our fullback even if Hayne signs.

2. Talk of the Dogs entering.the race for Hayne is almost laughable. They are under strict salary cap pressure so where would they suddenly get 700k from? The only way it could happen is if thd Dogs try to offload Foran to Manly and even then Manly have their own salary cap pressure.

In any case i think we will know the answers to our questions very soon.

 

[BLM01]

Rugby League here, just like England caters to a very small geographic so trying to move a team or indeed create a team is very difficult.
Many attempts have failed like Perth, Adelaide, Illawarra, several incarnates on the Gold Coast and in time I believe the latest franchise at GC will also fail.
In fact I believe in the mid term unless Melbourne stay at the top that franchise will fail as well. A few years of mediocrity will expose the farce that the NRL created with that team.
IMO for St GI to successfully move it would need to go rural NSW or Qld and be guaranteed a membership of at least what we have in Sydney and rely on holding the majority of its existing fan base and I think that would be extremely unlikely, so I don't think moving is a viable option.
If we are indeed marketable then don't limit that option to just Sydney metro as we are a well known brand with a highly marketable image so broaden the horizons be that local or international.
The EPL and indeed super league teams court international sponsorship and benefactors and don't rely on the Tynan Motors of the world.
There are experts in the area of sponsorship $$$ so don't get some old mate of the club or some "Neddy" that is just re working old or common ground, get the bloke that understands big picture concept.
RL in general is full of old boys in so many facets of what it does and people like "Buzz" still get a guernsey as a so called expert and nit wits like Beattie get a job in admin so the game is full of amateurs and has beens and that is why Polites stands out as a beacon because he is a professional man who has a passion for his club and doesn't accept mediocrity.
I would rather go down swinging haymakers rather than throwing left jabs whilst being continually sat on my arse.
Roll the dice, spend the money to get the right people and see what the outcome is far better than being strangled by the boa constrictor we have around us at the moment.

You make a lot valid points. I have been suspicious about the propping up of Melb since Day 1, keeping it such a strong club on field since it's inception in AFL heartland...although it was owned by the media in the beginning..privatelly supposedly now? What puzzles me is the NRL and the media will do whatever it takes to keep Melbourne alive and sell it to all through the media how good it is and how successful it is as they see this as a must need franchise in Melbourne AFL heartland , even when the rest of the rugby league world when in meltdown about the systematic rorting of the cap, basically calling to get rid of them and / or relocate them as recently as 2010

The proof is in their results, successful coach and team, win at all costs. I know they have gone into JV partnership with a netball team recently, maybe to help with money and they are looking at a members buy in to part ownership model. I wonder if the Dragons would ever do the same.
How much would each of us supporters have to pitch in to own a 51% share with WIN other 49% with the power of money & TPA's
Imagine if the supporters on this forum have 51% of the vote and final say how the club is run.
Which supporters get the boardroom positions?
Anyway sailed off to Utopia again, back to work and earth.

 

[possm]

2 comments here:

1. I doubt that the club is shopping Dufty around. More like his manager opening up for season 2020 and beyond. 2019 will be a defining season for the Duff. I expect him to be our fullback even if Hayne signs.

2. Talk of the Dogs entering.the race for Hayne is almost laughable. They are under strict salary cap pressure so where would they suddenly get 700k from? The only way it could happen is if thd Dogs try to offload Foran to Manly and even then Manly have their own salary cap pressure.

In any case i think we will know the answers to our questions very soon.

The 700k price tag that Dufty's manager is throwing out there really makes Dufty a no go as far as I'm concerned. If he defended well, took the high ball well and positioned himself well, it would still be a big ask to pay for him.

You know the Roosters signed Tedesco on a 700k contract plus 500k TPA. So Dufty would take up as much cap space as Tedesco.

 

[possm]

You make a lot valid points. I have been suspicious about the propping up of Melb since Day 1, keeping it such a strong club on field since it's inception in AFL heartland...although it was owned by the media in the beginning..privatelly supposedly now? What puzzles me is the NRL and the media will do whatever it takes to keep Melbourne alive and sell it to all through the media how good it is and how successful it is as they see this as a must need franchise in Melbourne AFL heartland , even when the rest of the rugby league world when in meltdown about the systematic rorting of the cap, basically calling to get rid of them and / or relocate them as recently as 2010

The proof is in their results, successful coach and team, win at all costs. I know they have gone into JV partnership with a netball team recently, maybe to help with money and they are looking at a members buy in to part ownership model. I wonder if the Dragons would ever do the same.
How much would each of us supporters have to pitch in to own a 51% share with WIN other 49% with the power of money & TPA's
Imagine if the supporters on this forum have 51% of the vote and final say how the club is run.
Which supporters get the boardroom positions?
Anyway sailed off to Utopia again, back to work and earth.

It should be the case that us St George Leagues Club members have the voting rights to elect the board members of both the Leagues Club and the football club. You can be sure that all of these old boy deals would cease immediately and that management and coaching staff would be really held accountable.

 

[Dragonslayer]

The 700k price tag that Dufty's manager is throwing out there really makes Dufty a no go as far as I'm concerned. If he defended well, took the high ball well and positioned himself well, it would still be a big ask to pay for him.

You know the Roosters signed Tedesco on a 700k contract plus 500k TPA. So Dufty would take up as much cap space as Tedesco.

As I said, Dufty's manager is fishing. Throw the bait in the water at this early stage says 2 things to me:

1. Hope and see if anyone takes the bait or is even open to discussion about his client before 2019 starts because wh knows what type of season he will have, good of bad.
2. Giving the Dragons notice that he remains unsigned passed next season and if they want to extend his contract its time for discussion.

The 700k is just a bait figure nothing else and as i said 2019 will be a career defining year for him. Mayby at the end of 2019 is when we will see his true price tag.

 

[Drag Queen]

I'm told he'll accept 500k a year without McGregor as coach or 750k if McGregor stays.

Gold OKB

As I said, Dufty's manager is fishing. Throw the bait in the water at this early stage says 2 things to me:

1. Hope and see if anyone takes the bait or is even open to discussion about his client before 2019 starts because wh knows what type of season he will have, good of bad.
2. Giving the Dragons notice that he remains unsigned passed next season and if they want to extend his contract its time for discussion.

The 700k is just a bait figure nothing else and as i said 2019 will be a career defining year for him. Mayby at the end of 2019 is when we will see his true price tag.

Well put DS. I've never been a huge Dufty fan but I'll give him the benefit of doubt. Give the kid another year? Maybe, but I probably wouldn't. Back up for sure. Dreaming that we had a Tedesco at hand but sadly we don't.

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

very true, the demographics of Kogarah, Hurstville, Carlton, Bexley, etc have changed totally since the 1990s.

The area has gone from league loving heartland to a non league area these days.

You've got that right, OY's.
OKB has moved to the Gold Coast and aerial ping pong, multi-group knitting and the cafe latte' set have probably taken over.

 

[hazzbeen]

You've got that right, OY's.
OKB has moved to the Gold Coast and aerial ping pong, multi-group knitting and the cafe latte' set have probably taken over.

You softy you .....

 

[Old Timer]

You make a lot valid points. I have been suspicious about the propping up of Melb since Day 1, keeping it such a strong club on field since it's inception in AFL heartland...although it was owned by the media in the beginning..privatelly supposedly now? What puzzles me is the NRL and the media will do whatever it takes to keep Melbourne alive and sell it to all through the media how good it is and how successful it is as they see this as a must need franchise in Melbourne AFL heartland , even when the rest of the rugby league world when in meltdown about the systematic rorting of the cap, basically calling to get rid of them and / or relocate them as recently as 2010

The proof is in their results, successful coach and team, win at all costs. I know they have gone into JV partnership with a netball team recently, maybe to help with money and they are looking at a members buy in to part ownership model. I wonder if the Dragons would ever do the same.
How much would each of us supporters have to pitch in to own a 51% share with WIN other 49% with the power of money & TPA's
Imagine if the supporters on this forum have 51% of the vote and final say how the club is run.
Which supporters get the boardroom positions?
Anyway sailed off to Utopia again, back to work and earth.

Storm are a totally manufactured franchise which no doubt the NRL have tipped plenty of $$$ into and will do so for some time yet I suspect. I am even of the opinion that the NRL probably put plenty of pressure on Bellamy remaining at the club until he retires.
From its inception it has had favourable & preferential treatment and most likely a blind eye gazing on it until such times as they crossed a point that even for the slack arses at the NRL was a bridge too far.
Broncos had the same but at least they did come from a state that had long established RL foundations.
The NRL have failed to make sure that all the new franchises have to provide the same thing as most of the Sydney clubs do namely have a junior comp and a proper 2nd grade team or equivalent.
IMO if you can't provide that "see you later" as all they are doing is putting a drain and pressure on clubs that do the right thing by the code.

 

[BLM01]

It should be the case that us St George Leagues Club members have the voting rights to elect the board members of both the Leagues Club and the football club. You can be sure that all of these old boy deals would cease immediately and that management and coaching staff would be really held accountable.

The 700k price tag that Dufty's manager is throwing out there really makes Dufty a no go as far as I'm concerned. If he defended well, took the high ball well and positioned himself well, it would still be a big ask to pay for him.

You know the Roosters signed Tedesco on a 700k contract plus 500k TPA. So Dufty would take up as much cap space as Tedesco.

So according to that he is worth 1.2 mill a year, 500K more than Dufty.
It begs the question so who came out of the woodwork to put in 500K (I assume endorsement) when of course they have nothing to do with the club
Someone mentioned before that they said Dufty was on 180K a season, I heard it is more like 280K for 2019 but if he has an improved season (improving most of those weaknesses everyone his on him about) I guarantee he will be worth min 700K as a fullback in his next contract incl TPA's. Quite a few fullbacks of the top 8 teams are close to the1 Mill mark, remember Dugan wanted close to that to play fullback fror us.
.

 

[BLM01]

Storm are a totally manufactured franchise which no doubt the NRL have tipped plenty of $$$ into and will do so for some time yet I suspect. I am even of the opinion that the NRL probably put plenty of pressure on Bellamy remaining at the club until he retires.
From its inception it has had favourable & preferential treatment and most likely a blind eye gazing on it until such times as they crossed a point that even for the slack arses at the NRL was a bridge too far.
Broncos had the same but at least they did come from a state that had long established RL foundations.
The NRL have failed to make sure that all the new franchises have to provide the same thing as most of the Sydney clubs do namely have a junior comp and a proper 2nd grade team or equivalent.
IMO if you can't provide that "see you later" as all they are doing is putting a drain and pressure on clubs that do the right thing by the code.

Dont forget to mention preferrential treatment and Brisbane in the same sentence

 

[Frank Facer]

Gold OKB

Well put DS. I've never been a huge Dufty fan but I'll give him the benefit of doubt. Give the kid another year? Maybe, but I probably wouldn't. Back up for sure. Dreaming that we had a Tedesco at hand but sadly we don't.

You aren't even a Saints fan. You are a Penrith fan. You are probably dreaming that Penrith had Tedesco at hand.

 

[Gareth67]

Meanwhile back on the Hayne train , what is the lastest ? This bloke needs to make his mind up one way or the other - it’s not every day that one is given the chance to play in a Dragon Jersey. It seems that the Bullgrubs have found some spare cash lying around ( ? ) and may just be able to squeeze him in ‘under the cap ‘ along with the Burgess boys and even the headhunter Dylan Napa - wow , surprises just don’t end over there in Bulldog land !

 

[TruSaint]

Not fussed either way mate.

My opinion, he will say at the eels.

 

[Old Kogarah Boy 1]

Meanwhile back on the Hayne train , what is the lastest ? This bloke needs to make his mind up one way or the other - it’s not every day that one is given the chance to play in a Dragon Jersey. It seems that the Bullgrubs have found some spare cash lying around ( ? ) and may just be able to squeeze him in ‘under the cap ‘ along with the Burgess boys and even the headhunter Dylan Napa - wow , surprises just don’t end over there in Bulldog land !

Yep, we need to put a time limit on this.
The longer it drags on, the less l want him here.
How hard can it be?
Only a blithering idiot would consider anything the grubs were offering.

 

[Changa]

James Gavat linked to Newcastle now

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...t/news-story/4208fbf0583b84fc6127a6d44bdb6f96

I read this as Newcastle potentially scrapping the Klemmer pursuit, and settling with a much lower priced prop. This would leave some kitty to have a crack at another player -Jennings maybe?

Pure speculation..

 

[Gareth67]

Your right there OKB1 , times a moving on , it certainly is appearing that he will take the best offer ( not that you can blame him at this stage of his career ) , however whomever it is his plays for , well hopefully he will deliver the goods . Personally I am well and truly over him but unfortunately we do need a decent back and he is currently the only one available.

 

[red rocket]

Your right there OKB1 , times a moving on , it certainly is appearing that he will take the best offer ( not that you can blame him at this stage of his career ) , however whomever it is his plays for , well hopefully he will deliver the goods . Personally I am well and truly over him but unfortunately we do need a decent back and he is currently the only one available.

We need Hayne in case widdop doesn't recover very dicey injury gaz has to overcome if we dont land hayne mann must not be let go we are very skinny in the 7 and 6 and to think some people think we should waste money on another prop

 

[Forster Dragon]

Forget Hayne he is not coming.Hang on to Mann better allround