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Poupou Escobar

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What if we f**k him off after the Train and Trial?
Well he has a contract so we would have to negotiate a payout.

Are you assuming train and trial means you can cut the merkin at any time? I don’t think that’s what it means these days. I think it’s just how they refer to full time players outside the top 30. I guess they can cut them any time and the (full) payout doesn’t count under the salary cap, but in Samrani’s case the second year’s payout would count against the cap.
 

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Source? You yourself just recently said you weren't sure what is going on about his contract, whether Samrani is in the 30 in 2026 - or anything really.
I’m sure the club announced his signing in the same announcement as a couple of other top 30 players. Not a word about train and trial, so I’m going off the official information. However the player doesn’t have an official profile on the club’s site, so nothing is certain.
 

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I’m with Bart here. Just because any player is cut and paid out, doesn’t automatically mean it goes against salary cap. I’m surprised you said it Pou
 

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how else would it be allocated ?
The NRL salary cap rules aren’t as tight as you’d expect. The base is clubs have to have 30 registered NRL players and can’t spend more than $X overall for them to be in their NRL squad. There’s further rules around minimum wage and other things.
What happens if the payout is less than the minimum wage? The payout is not required to be included against salary cap, however nor then can that player be included in the squad (meaning club needs to pay another player on top of the payout they giving old player).
Doesn’t even need payout to be below minimum wage in theory, however again club needs to fill spot on top of paying the payout, and also the NRL as essentially the paymasters via grant money usually take a dim view of it and can arbitrarily decide which cap cops what amount.
 
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And it's only a top 24 on 1 November, a top 28 in February before Round 1, and a top 30 for 30 June.

So if someone is signed up on train and trial but then cut/paid out (presumably minimally) in November, they may not even come into salary cap calculations at all.
 

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So no source for your guess work re top 30 or not. All good.
It's the same as my source for every other top 30 player. Official announcements:


He is also listed here with the rest of the top 30 players:


As I said, there are other sources claiming he is outside the top 30 (rumours and the fact Samrani has no official profile), and I'm happy to entertain he might only be in the top 30 in his second year. However you seem to think those other sources are worth more than the official sites of the club and the league. Weird that you're demanding sources from merkins with a different opinion and invalidating the sources they provide. Don't throw stones from your glass house bartman.
 

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Blaize and Ryda? FFS.
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It's the same as my source for every other top 30 player. Official announcements:

You do realise that there are more than 30 players signed with the club in any one season, don't you? 😂

A quick check of the maths - 17 playing first grade, plus 17 playing in NSW Cup - would tell you that.

Nothing in your link indicates Samrani is top 30 next season or the season after.
He is also listed here with the rest of the top 30 players:

The people who update the NRL website aren't the salary cap auditors, or the arbiters of who is the top 30 either. They are just as big guessers as you or I are, joining dots from media releases.
Weird that you're demanding sources from merkins with a different opinion and invalidating the sources they provide.
Weird that you've made a quantum leap that Samrani must be top 30, attributing these sources more weight than they have actually stated in that regard? And weird that you react so... lengthily... whenever you sniff any criticism, rather than just admitting and agreeing the obvious uncertainty and shrugging it off.
 

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The people who update the NRL website aren't the salary cap auditors, or the arbiters of who is the top 30 either. They are just as big guessers as you or I are, joining dots from media releases.
Would be down right stupid if the NRL media and communications team didn’t do internal checks with their colleagues before posting shit on the NRL website.
 
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True. But it's just a website page (not an official salary cap register), run by "social media professionals" to get traffic coming to the NRL website rather than other places. It's been initially wrong and subtly corrected plenty of times before.

Kind of like Pou's Squad Succession and Off Contract threads...
 

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You do realise that there are more than 30 players signed with the club in any one season, don't you? 😂

A quick check of the maths - 17 playing first grade, plus 17 playing in NSW Cup - would tell you that.
How often do they announce the recruitment or retention of more than thirty players in a given year? The focus has always been on the top 30. Granted, this year they have announced a handful of SG Ball players, specifically the ones who got picked in the Australian Schoolboys, but it was the first time they've ever done this.
Nothing in your link indicates Samrani is top 30 next season or the season after.
The fact he is announced points to him being in the top 30. He might not be, but the existing evidence says it's most likely. If he is on a train-and-trial contract, where were the announcements for all the other train-and-trial players? What's so special about Samrani?
The people who update the NRL website aren't the salary cap auditors, or the arbiters of who is the top 30 either. They are just as big guessers as you or I are, joining dots from media releases.
Yes that's right, media releases. They are the only reliable evidence we have, absent access to the contract details. Clubs don't announce the signings of every player at the club. Therefore the ones who are announced must be assumed to have something in common with the others who are announced, and are logically separate from all the ones who aren't.
Weird that you've made a quantum leap that Samrani must be top 30, attributing these sources more weight than they have actually stated in that regard? And weird that you react so... lengthily... whenever you sniff any criticism, rather than just admitting and agreeing the obvious uncertainty and shrugging it off.
On the contrary, I welcome any opportunity to clarify my position. I am here to explain why you are wrong. And that includes demonstrating why.
 

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From the perspective of the team, do you merkins reckon the leadership group is subordinate to the captain? Is he the 'boss' of them or just the referee/media facing member of the leadership group? I could never tell if Gutherson or Paulo had any authority over Moses, for example, or anyone else really.
 

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