Eels in the media

[Poupou Escobar]

Suggest you need to rethink this one Ram.

You have 30 players. The more you spend on cheapies the more you have to spend on quality elsewhere where it's critical (spine, leadership). How can you argue that buying someone more expensive than a cheapy gives you more room in your salary cap? That makes no sense at all!

When people talk about Bellamy they always praise his ability to surround those cheapies with gun players in a good system. He knows that the salary cap is such that cheapies are necessary and has worked out how to maximise their benefits.

ffs

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Now by us signing Davey, who is as a stand alone signing not a bad fringe 1st grader/reserve kind of player that all clubs have in their roster who would be on around what $150-200K a season and the minimum salary being $120K, that means we are potentially paying out $30-80K to a player that we already have plenty of

If we already had plenty of the Davey type he wouldn’t have been brung straight into the starting side ffs.

 

[Gary Gutful]

You are generalising. I was being more specific on our current scenario. See what Pou does? He twists and spins a point of view to the point that the actual real talking point is misunderstood or lost completely and then everyone just piles in with irrelevant nonsense.

I was responding to your fairly general statement.

Like all you guys keep harping on about ad nauseam, you need the salary cap space to bring in quality. But then you think that some how other clubs have it but we don't.

That’s a generalisation. I’ve never made that argument.

It comes down to penny pinching wherever you can and spending on high end quality where you need it.

That’s what I am saying.

So IMO what we should be doing at present is not signing the Davey's of this would unless they come at the $120K minimum and cutting whatever other players we have similar and signing as many of the quality players we can. Then I would go out and bring in the best juniors I can to fill our top 30 roster on the $120K minimum. We may save around $200K by doing this or more and that way we would have more in the kitty to splash on quality.

Also keep in mind that there might be some shit hot juniors at other clubs who can't get a look in for whatever reason may jump at the chance to be promoted to a top 30 position at our club on the minimum $120K. An opportunity that they may not be getting for a couple more seasons where they are currently at.

Do you actually know what we signed Davey for? If it’s for a minimal amount then what’s the issue?

You don’t think our club keeps an eye on juniors at other clubs? Rarely do you find any of those that can slot straight in. They require work to fit into your systems and there is no guarantee that it will work. A great strategy though if it’s the right person and the upfront investment is likely to yield longer term benefits.

My take on Davey is that BA has identified an area where we are weak right now (defence) and for a small amount of coin has found someone he trusts that can do a job immediately.

The roosters won 2 straight premierships by using this strategy. Think of us like the Roosters for now who have very few genuine local juniors and have to rely on buying high-end talent for their top 20 and then the rest with minimum wage riffraff. Once and if we finally actually start to produce real quality local junior talent again and it starts to put pressure on and push through into the NRL squad, then you reassess this strategy accordingly.

The Roosters don’t have any juniors at all. No surprises that this is an element of their strategy. But it would be a generalisation to say that this is all they do. They also recruit fringe first graders if the price is right.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Then I would go out and bring in the best juniors I can to fill our top 30 roster on the $120K minimum.

This would be a high priority strategy for every club, trying to get youngsters worth $120k to sign for $120k, but the massive demand means a young player worth $120k (right now) is likely to cost significantly more (because he is likely to improve), and anyone willing to sign for $120k is likely to be worth less than that. Do you think it’s worth the top 30 spot to have a kid worth only $90k in your NRL roster? You might say you’ll never use him, but then you’re barely gaining the salary cap benefit of having a minimum salary player. To benefit you’ll need several of these merkins. Now you’ve got five or six players not even worth minimum salary, but who are being paid that much. Great, now you’re $180k ahead than if you had signed grown men (on ~$150k) in those positions.

But what if you need to use those kids in first grade? Few teams can go through a season using only 25 players. Last year only one team managed it. Most teams used more than 30. So you need backups who can handle the physicality, which means grown men with a few NRL pre-seasons under their belt, regardless of how little talent they have.

 

[StEely Matt]

NRL considered handing Storm titles to Eels, Eagles

David Gallop had always been reluctant to comment on the Melbourne Storm’s salary-cap breaches, but he has made some significant observations on the issue in an upcoming episode of The Bye Round podcast, admitting the NRL considered awarding premierships to Manly (2007) and Parramatta (2009), the losing grand finalists in the years the Storm were stripped of their premierships

Gallop also told James Graham’s podcast he has no issue with the Storm celebrating the title “wins” at anniversaries, even though they were taken from them in 2010 due to systematic salary cap cheating.

Gallop also defends News Corp and its role in the ugly affair, as it owned the club at the time. News Corp washed its hands of the matter, putting all the blame on then chief executive Brian Waldron, who was labelled the “chief rat”. Gallop says News, which also owned 50 per cent of the game at that time, did not have a conflict of interest.

“I thought that was a bit strange, because you could accuse News of a conflict if they asked us to go soft and not take the premierships, but they didn’t do that at all,” Gallop said. “So, it was all a bit jumbled, people’s thinking around that time. And I think, you know, News would probably say now maybe they should have understood what was going on, inside a club they owned, better. But I certainly don’t think there was any conflict and there was no pressure to go soft.”

Gallop conceded there was thought given to handing the trophies to Parra and Manly. “I think we thought about it, but the answer that we all arrived at was that they hadn’t actually won the premiership and it would have been wrong to actually award it to Manly and Parramatta.”

 

[Stormy36]

NRL considered handing Storm titles to Eels, Eagles

David Gallop had always been reluctant to comment on the Melbourne Storm’s salary-cap breaches, but he has made some significant observations on the issue in an upcoming episode of The Bye Round podcast, admitting the NRL considered awarding premierships to Manly (2007) and Parramatta (2009), the losing grand finalists in the years the Storm were stripped of their premierships

Gallop also told James Graham’s podcast he has no issue with the Storm celebrating the title “wins” at anniversaries, even though they were taken from them in 2010 due to systematic salary cap cheating.

Gallop also defends News Corp and its role in the ugly affair, as it owned the club at the time. News Corp washed its hands of the matter, putting all the blame on then chief executive Brian Waldron, who was labelled the “chief rat”. Gallop says News, which also owned 50 per cent of the game at that time, did not have a conflict of interest.

“I thought that was a bit strange, because you could accuse News of a conflict if they asked us to go soft and not take the premierships, but they didn’t do that at all,” Gallop said. “So, it was all a bit jumbled, people’s thinking around that time. And I think, you know, News would probably say now maybe they should have understood what was going on, inside a club they owned, better. But I certainly don’t think there was any conflict and there was no pressure to go soft.”

Gallop conceded there was thought given to handing the trophies to Parra and Manly. “I think we thought about it, but the answer that we all arrived at was that they hadn’t actually won the premiership and it would have been wrong to actually award it to Manly and Parramatta.”

It wouldn't of felt like a premiership if it was awarded to us but Carl Lewis did win gold after actually being the 2nd fastest man over 100m in 88... So we know it happens in other sports

 

[King-Gutho94]

NRL considered handing Storm titles to Eels, Eagles

David Gallop had always been reluctant to comment on the Melbourne Storm’s salary-cap breaches, but he has made some significant observations on the issue in an upcoming episode of The Bye Round podcast, admitting the NRL considered awarding premierships to Manly (2007) and Parramatta (2009), the losing grand finalists in the years the Storm were stripped of their premierships

Gallop also told James Graham’s podcast he has no issue with the Storm celebrating the title “wins” at anniversaries, even though they were taken from them in 2010 due to systematic salary cap cheating.

Gallop also defends News Corp and its role in the ugly affair, as it owned the club at the time. News Corp washed its hands of the matter, putting all the blame on then chief executive Brian Waldron, who was labelled the “chief rat”. Gallop says News, which also owned 50 per cent of the game at that time, did not have a conflict of interest.

“I thought that was a bit strange, because you could accuse News of a conflict if they asked us to go soft and not take the premierships, but they didn’t do that at all,” Gallop said. “So, it was all a bit jumbled, people’s thinking around that time. And I think, you know, News would probably say now maybe they should have understood what was going on, inside a club they owned, better. But I certainly don’t think there was any conflict and there was no pressure to go soft.”

Gallop conceded there was thought given to handing the trophies to Parra and Manly. “I think we thought about it, but the answer that we all arrived at was that they hadn’t actually won the premiership and it would have been wrong to actually award it to Manly and Parramatta.”

Tbf I was pissed originally we didn't get them awarded.

Take the emotion out of it now it would feel hollow.

The only thing would be all the Parra jokes about not winning a premiership for 37 years wouldn’t exist.

But yeah I want to see us win on GF day not some token trophy post the game.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

If we had received the token trophy we'd still want to see a grand final win in the future.

 

[the phantom menace]

They should give us the token trophy... and all the pieces of flesh from 2009 Storm players containing Premiers 2009 tattoos!

 

[Poupou Escobar]

 

[Gronk]

Fact check

Big problem in the family as bikie patches over to the Hells Angels

Newly minted Hells Angel and former Bandidos president Jason Fahey's older brother John was a long-time Bandidos national sergeant-at-arms and is still heavilly marked with that club's tattoos.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Fahey brothers grew up in public housing at Telopea in Sydney's north-west and attended attended Cumberland High School where John starred at rugby and basketball. He was offered a contract to play league with the Parramatta Eels.

 

[Twizzle]

yuck

 

[the phantom menace]

Some nasty tatt work there. And his are almost as scary...

 

[TheRam]

Tbf I was pissed originally we didn't get them awarded.

Take the emotion out of it now it would feel hollow.

The only thing would be all the Parra jokes about not winning a premiership for 37 years wouldn’t exist.

But yeah I want to see us win on GF day not some token trophy post the game.

Yes it would not appease us fans or the Parra players who played that day.

BUT what it would do is stop the media from always including them in their GF wins or those players like Slater, Cronk, Smith and Co claiming that they won that day as they always do. Officially no one could then argue that they won jack sh*t back then and they in fact did cheat.

Always hearing commentators or players like Cronk himself say that he has won 6 Grand Finals(which includes the 2 that were stripped) is so freakin annoying. It smacks us Parra & Manly fans square in the face every time. So disrespectful and only falsifies the saying that cheats never prosper. He is living the life of Riley with 6 Premierships in his pocket and the rest of us get nudda, zilch, a big fat round zero!

So vomit disgusting.

 

[King-Gutho94]

Yes it would not appease us fans or the Parra players who played that day.

BUT what it would do is stop the media from always including them in their GF wins or those players like Slater, Cronk, Smith and Co claiming that they won that day as they always do. Officially no one could then argue that they won jack sh*t back then and they in fact did cheat.

Always hearing commentators or players like Cronk himself say that he has won 6 Grand Finals(which includes the 2 that were stripped) is so freakin annoying. It smacks us Parra & Manly fans square in the face every time. So disrespectful and only falsifies the saying that cheats never prosper. He is living the life of Riley with 6 Premierships in his pocket and the rest of us get nudda, zilch, a big fat round zero!

So vomit disgusting.

At least Manly got some revenge in 2008 to sort of erase the pain.

We are still waiting 14 years on and i hate the thought of all the Parra fans who have left us since time and never got to see another premiership.

 

[Avenger]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/hes-probably-in-careerbest-form-clint-gutherson-backs-bryce-cartwright-to-star-after-winning-teammates-trust/news-story/de00f86723d8c37717538b742cef8817

 

[the phantom menace]

Agree... but if he's in career best form, why didn't BA keep on starting him as an edge forward, instead of shopping for Davey and pushing Bryce back to his bench game!

 

[yy_cheng]

Agree... but if he's in career best form, why didn't BA keep on starting him as an edge forward, instead of shopping for Davey and pushing Bryce back to his bench game!

coz Davey is better than Bryce's best I guess

 

[Poupou Escobar]

coz Davey is better than Bryce's best I guess

Just a better defender. Cartwright is a better attacker, which we can use in the middle and on our go-to left edge. He's probably our best replacement for Lane, other than maybe Matterson.

 

[Pazza]

In 2023 squad depth is more important than ever With this whole cat 1 concussion rule