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england v nz baskerville series in 2015

CC_Roosters

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According to Steve Mascord the decision to allow Australia to take a year out came off the back of the Kangaroos playing in the UK for , I think, 4 years out of five. It was supposed to be a one off but for some reason it's now been used whenever the RLPA want to use it. Mascord also says Australia should play every year and if some players don't want to play then there are plenty of players ready and willing to put their hands up to play. Totally agree.
Yep read that and agree 100%

How weak does it make the ARL look that they cannot even get the players to play in a historic GB tour at home. Seriously they don't even have to travel anywhere! I would love to know which players are whinging and which are keen to play.
 

Scubby

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Awesome news....

Just a question on stadiums... With the Rugby Union World Cup being on around that time... Will that effect what stadiums are available??

Because I know when they hosted it down here in 2011 all the RWC venues were unable to be used from 6 weeks before the tournament to 6 weeks after it.

Who on earth are going to tell Aston Villa, Newcastle United, Leeds Utd, Manchester City and Brighton that they can't use their stadiums in the middle of the football season? Wembley will be hosting soccer and NFL all around the RU World Cup.

All the venues will be available.
 

reanimate

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According to Steve Mascord the decision to allow Australia to take a year out came off the back of the Kangaroos playing in the UK for , I think, 4 years out of five. It was supposed to be a one off but for some reason it's now been used whenever the RLPA want to use it. Mascord also says Australia should play every year and if some players don't want to play then there are plenty of players ready and willing to put their hands up to play. Totally agree.
Exactly, if Cameron Smith etc. don't want to play, give someone like Jake Friend, Matt Ballin etc. a go.
 

roughyedspud

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According to Steve Mascord the decision to allow Australia to take a year out came off the back of the Kangaroos playing in the UK for , I think, 4 years out of five. It was supposed to be a one off but for some reason it's now been used whenever the RLPA want to use it. Mascord also says Australia should play every year and if some players don't want to play then there are plenty of players ready and willing to put their hands up to play. Totally agree.

it was actually 5 out of 6 years..

2000 wc
2001 ashes
2003 ashes
2004 tri nations
2005 tri nations

let it also be noted that they traveled to us cos they flat out refused to host anything
 

The Partisan

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Yep read that and agree 100%

How weak does it make the ARL look that they cannot even get the players to play in a historic GB tour at home. Seriously they don't even have to travel anywhere! I would love to know which players are whinging and which are keen to play.


Yes that does raise an interesting point ! If taken to the extreme could not the RLPA - with a heavy backing from the high profile players regularly representing Australia - decide to take a two year break and thus deny others an opportunity to play rep footy and at the same time increase their market value.

Realise this scenario is a little far fetched but I firmly believe an Australian Kangaroos team should be playing in an end of season tournament every year. If an individual needs a rest - they make themselves unavailable.
 

RoosTah

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Good news, but I'm pretty pissed off that the RLPA managed to scuttle the Lions tour. Would have bloody loved to gone to those games... just no vision for the international game.
 

CC_Roosters

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Who on earth are going to tell Aston Villa, Newcastle United, Leeds Utd, Manchester City and Brighton that they can't use their stadiums in the middle of the football season? Wembley will be hosting soccer and NFL all around the RU World Cup.

All the venues will be available.

I'm surprised they are even using elland road to be honest. I went to the four nations final version the kangaroos there a few years ago and while the view and atmosphere were good the facilities were poor. The ground struggled to deal with a near capacity crowd and the public areas in the main grandstand was a crush.

I would hope the fans respond to the NZ series by turning up. The RFL should be heading to we wembley and the like, if they schedule in wigan, huddersfield and Langtree out of fear then they will just get 20k to each as I think fans are more interested in going to Wembley/old trafford/St James.

Had a thought as well that we might get a few more kiwis at the games with the all Blacks and league side in the country. But playing a game in London is a must anyway to engage the expat kiwis and aussies
 

morningstar

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Wembley, Headingley and the DW are being lined up according to Tony Iro. Actively trying to arrange a test against France as well...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/10462477/Kiwis-and-All-Blacks-to-tour-UK-at-same-time

The Kiwis could find themselves playing at Wembley Stadium during the middle of the Rugby World Cup.

New Zealand Rugby League announced yesterday they were no longer going ahead with their plan to host France for a three-test series next year and instead would be heading to the northern hemisphere for three tests against England.

The stadiums ae not confirmed but the NZRL's high performance manager, Tony Iro, said Wembley and Headingley are two of the likely venues, while the other fixture could be in Wigan.

The opportunity for the Kiwis to tour came because the Australian Rugby League Commission canned the proposed incoming Lions tour to give their players a break.

Iro said the NZRL jumped at the chance to play England, even though it clashed with the Rugby World Cup, which is being played in September and October.

''There is obviously another major competition up there at the same time, so the English Rugby League are working on the logistics and operation plans around that,'' Iro said.

''It's going to be a busy time, but they're confident they can make it work.
''It's a decent tie-in, there will be a number of New Zealanders up in the UK at that time, so we don't see a real issue in that regard. We'd be expecting a lot of people would want to come out and support both teams.

''We understand that the Rugby World Cup is a massive event, but also we'll be providing some action to the rugby league fans that are over there and some people like both games.''

The English RFL will cover the costs of the tour and the NZRL should make good money out of it, but the downside is that it means the Kiwis will play just one game on home soil in 2015, the Anzac test in Australia.
''The biggest thing for us, isn't the financial incentives, but more the opportunity to give our international squad some more international football,'' Iro said.

''There is a limited international programme anyway and it gives us the opportunity of at least three more top class fixtures for what is a developing bunch of New Zealand players.
''So in that regard it was quite important for us to find some more match time for those guys to establish combinations and we're hoping the players will appreciate that opportunity and also to play against a pretty decent England side.''

Although France will no longer be coming to New Zealand, Iro said they hoped to be able to squeeze in a test against France on the trip.


''That's definitely something we're looking at,'' he said.
''Obviously, with the French having planned on coming down here, we'll try to fit that into the schedule somewhere and we're hoping they'll be receptive for that.
''I'm sure they will be, they're obviously looking for more international fixtures as well. So we'll be very keen to accommodate them in some capacity."
 

RoosTah

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if you look at who out injured for australia for the up coming 4nations

paul gallen - drugs ban
darius boyd - battling demons
nate myles - bicep
andrew fifita - broken arm
josh morris - likely to be rested to sort his knee out
brent tate - retired

thats not far off being 6 of australias strongest 17 out with injury...all of them would defo be in the 24man squad....so theres a case to answer that the aussie squad will have a somewhat 2nd string look about it..

To be honest, that injury list isn't very troubling... in the backs we can still field a team that could have:

1. Slater
2. Hayne
3. Inglis
4. Jennings
5. Stewart
6. Thurston
7. Cronk

Not exactly a bad looking back-line... in fact I think it almost looks better because over-rated players like Tate and Boyd aren't there.

Up front, sure Myles, Fifita and Gallen are out, but we can still field more or less the pack from the ANZAC test, just exchange Gallen for Thaiday, and maybe put Cordiner in for Bird (because he's an over-rated girlfriend bashing merkin) and you get:

8. Matt Scott
9. Cameron Smith
10. James Tamou
11. Boyd Cordiner
12. Matt Gillett
13. Sam Thaiday

So again, we won't miss too much.
 

CC_Roosters

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Wembley, Headingley and the DW are being lined up according to Tony Iro. Actively trying to arrange a test against France as well...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/10462477/Kiwis-and-All-Blacks-to-tour-UK-at-same-time

The Kiwis could find themselves playing at Wembley Stadium during the middle of the Rugby World Cup.

New Zealand Rugby League announced yesterday they were no longer going ahead with their plan to host France for a three-test series next year and instead would be heading to the northern hemisphere for three tests against England.

The stadiums ae not confirmed but the NZRL's high performance manager, Tony Iro, said Wembley and Headingley are two of the likely venues, while the other fixture could be in Wigan.

The opportunity for the Kiwis to tour came because the Australian Rugby League Commission canned the proposed incoming Lions tour to give their players a break.

Iro said the NZRL jumped at the chance to play England, even though it clashed with the Rugby World Cup, which is being played in September and October.

''There is obviously another major competition up there at the same time, so the English Rugby League are working on the logistics and operation plans around that,'' Iro said.

''It's going to be a busy time, but they're confident they can make it work.
''It's a decent tie-in, there will be a number of New Zealanders up in the UK at that time, so we don't see a real issue in that regard. We'd be expecting a lot of people would want to come out and support both teams.

''We understand that the Rugby World Cup is a massive event, but also we'll be providing some action to the rugby league fans that are over there and some people like both games.''

The English RFL will cover the costs of the tour and the NZRL should make good money out of it, but the downside is that it means the Kiwis will play just one game on home soil in 2015, the Anzac test in Australia.
''The biggest thing for us, isn't the financial incentives, but more the opportunity to give our international squad some more international football,'' Iro said.

''There is a limited international programme anyway and it gives us the opportunity of at least three more top class fixtures for what is a developing bunch of New Zealand players.
''So in that regard it was quite important for us to find some more match time for those guys to establish combinations and we're hoping the players will appreciate that opportunity and also to play against a pretty decent England side.''

Although France will no longer be coming to New Zealand, Iro said they hoped to be able to squeeze in a test against France on the trip.


''That's definitely something we're looking at,'' he said.
''Obviously, with the French having planned on coming down here, we'll try to fit that into the schedule somewhere and we're hoping they'll be receptive for that.
''I'm sure they will be, they're obviously looking for more international fixtures as well. So we'll be very keen to accommodate them in some capacity."

Wembley good, wigan gets a pass, but get another ground that isn't headingley we need it played in a bigger ground than that. Good that they are playing France and hopefully a few more games. Wales in Cardiff would be nice
 

jim_57

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Wembley good, wigan gets a pass, but get another ground that isn't headingley we need it played in a bigger ground than that. Good that they are playing France and hopefully a few more games. Wales in Cardiff would be nice

I was under the impression that Headingley was roughly the same capacity as Wigan?

I would have liked to seen Etihad and a bugger Yorkshire stadium but would be happy enough as long as Wembley is the opener. Despite the smaller capacities Wigan and Headingley could be bugger money makers for RL than hiring Soccer stadiums?

I would like to NZ play 2 games V France after pulling out of the original plan of France touring NZ but would settle for 1 V France and 1 V Wales. England will likely play at least 1 Warm up game as well.
 

morningstar

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Headingley would be a safe bet for a decent crowd given the attendances for the two Kiwis games in Leeds at RLWC13. Seems a bit unambitious though. Why not Elland Road?
 

CC_Roosters

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A nice measure of progress for me would be an underage kiwi team touring with the senior side. NZ under 20's as the curtain raiser would be a good test for the english, french and any other sides equivalent.
 

deal.with.it

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Does the winner of Euro Champs 2014 qualify for 4 Nations 2016?
What is planned for them in 2015? Danny K had mentioned previously that England may squeeze in and force 1 Euro Champs nation down to Euro Champs B. I suppose this won't be happening now England has matches lined up.
 

roughyedspud

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yes they do...and RLWCQ starts in 2015 though i thinks theres room to fit in the odd "warm up" test v england & nz
 

roughyedspud

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To be honest, that injury list isn't very troubling... in the backs we can still field a team that could have:

1. Slater
2. Hayne
3. Inglis
4. Jennings
5. Stewart
6. Thurston
7. Cronk

Not exactly a bad looking back-line... in fact I think it almost looks better because over-rated players like Tate and Boyd aren't there.

Up front, sure Myles, Fifita and Gallen are out, but we can still field more or less the pack from the ANZAC test, just exchange Gallen for Thaiday, and maybe put Cordiner in for Bird (because he's an over-rated girlfriend bashing merkin) and you get:

8. Matt Scott
9. Cameron Smith
10. James Tamou
11. Boyd Cordiner
12. Matt Gillett
13. Sam Thaiday

So again, we won't miss too much.


thanks....you've just reasoned why it does'nt make sense for australia to have years off
 

roughyedspud

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aaww see we can be friends lol

im actually glad cos it means the lions continue to be mothballed....having 17 englishmen parading around in GB cherons does absolutely nothing for british RL as a whole...
 
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RoosTah

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aaww see we can be friends lol

im actually glad cos it means the lions continue to be mothballed....having 17 englishmen parading around in GB cherons does absolutely nothing for british RL as a whole...

The concept would be more effective if there was more competitive team in Ireland and Wales, but it should still have been done as a centenary celebration (actually should have happened this year if I'm not mistaken).

Reckon Ireland and Wales could support Super League teams at some point in the near future? I hear league is starting to gain a bit of traction in Ireland now.
 
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