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England worried about player drain

Chook Norris

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AP - In a twist NRL fans will enjoy, St Helens chairman Eamonn McManus is calling on English rugby league chiefs to prevent the trickle of top British talent to Australia turning into a flood.

McManus says the strong Australian dollar has added to the temptation for English stars to head Down Under and he has urged the Rugby Football League to address the threat.

However he's likely to get little sympathy from Australian fans who have long lamented the steady flow of NRL players chasing the money in the other direction.

St Helens are bracing themselves for the departure of prop forward James Graham, who is being courted by NRL clubs and almost certain to join his England team-mates Gareth Ellis and Sam Burgess in Australia in 2012.

Graham, whose Saints contract runs out at the end of next season, stayed on in Australia at the end of England's Four Nations campaign to hold talks with at least two NRL clubs but has also promised to speak to St Helens before making a final decision.

"I would think he will make his mind up by the first quarter of next year," said McManus.

"He's spoken to the clubs he wished to speak to and we have to sit down with him when he gets back.

"It's more where he wants to live, rather than where he wants to play."

McManus also plans talks with hooker James Roby, who has signalled an interest in playing in Australia, as well half-backs Kyle Eastmond and Leon Pryce, who are all out of contract next year.

And he says it is time to take action to halt the drain to the southern hemisphere.

"We can't just pretend it's not happening," he said.

"You invest a huge amount of time and energy and, dare I say it, money producing players through the academy over the years.

"What I don't want to see is those players tempted by the NRL because the salary cap is higher than here because of the exchange rate and to rugby union.

"It's a real problem and it has to be resolved."

McManus' crusade puts him on a collision course with those who want to see more British players plying their trade in the NRL in the belief that their experience will ultimately benefit the England team.

McManus added: "It's one thing saying they may be better players and, therefore, the international team will be better as a result but, if Super League is undermined by it, the international team will not be stronger.

"The Super League competition has to be the same quality and the same intensity as the NRL if the international team is going to compete."

McManus also wants to see a reduction in the number of fixtures, a further cut in the overseas quota and a greater emphasis on the development of local juniors to improve the national team's prospects in the wake of their disappointing Four Nations campaign.

http://www.nrl.com/news/news/newsar...gland-worried-about-player-drain/default.aspx
 

DINGb@T

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The Poms really dont understand how a salary cap works. Reading their forums there's a constant lament about the way in which the cap has reduced the quality of the game over there because big teams can't pool all the good players together. A salary cap doesn't really kick in until ALL teams are spending up to the cap, therefore spreading the talent evenly across the league. The problem for the Superleague is that half the teams are still a fair way off spending to that cap. It's gonna be another decade before the cap is finally even and therefore the intensity of every game up far enough to replicate what we have in the NRL. They may not like it but 'doing nothing' and waiting for the economics to filter through is probably the best course of action.
 

deluded pom?

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Re name this thread please."One club chairman worried that some of his players want to play in the NRL" McManus is only spouting off in the interests of St Helens not the English game as a whole.
 

WireMan

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The Poms really dont understand how a salary cap works. Reading their forums there's a constant lament about the way in which the cap has reduced the quality of the game over there because big teams can't pool all the good players together. A salary cap doesn't really kick in until ALL teams are spending up to the cap, therefore spreading the talent evenly across the league. The problem for the Superleague is that half the teams are still a fair way off spending to that cap. It's gonna be another decade before the cap is finally even and therefore the intensity of every game up far enough to replicate what we have in the NRL. They may not like it but 'doing nothing' and waiting for the economics to filter through is probably the best course of action.

Yes the poms don't understand the salary cap system. Coming from an aussie fan thats quite funny.

Not sure what forums you go on but i don't know anyone (other than pie eaters) who want the game to go back to one team having all the best players.

The problem is that the salary cap is low in the super league. The NRL and Rugby Union league in the UK can all offer more money. Hence some players may leave. The argument being there should be a marquee rule so teams that can afford it can keep the top players. That would of course be unfair on the smaller teams and reduce competition defeating the point of a cap in the first place.

Some clubs however will never be able to spend upto cap. There is only so much money in the game in the UK.

I agree with him with regards to players going to the NRL. What we need is to keep the best players and have a higher quality comp over here. A few players going is alright but if to many will go it will hurt us in the long run. We are not Aus and don't have a production line of great players to replace the ones leaving.
 

DINGb@T

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There's an entire thread devoted to lamenting the salary cap on totalrl at the moment re: Inglis looking at going to union.
 

typicalfan

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I speak to English guys who dont seem to understand the fact that the lower standard of competition comes firstly from importing talent from overseas. Sending the cream of the crop over to Australia actually fights that by allowing the best Englishmen the chance to thrive under tougher conditions.

If there wasn't so much money thrown into retirement funds for ex NRL players and more money put into development then it would be more healthy in the long term, it is even worse when they look for loopholes to have more imports.

Player drain is a follow on effect.
 

Evil Homer

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I speak to English guys who dont seem to understand the fact that the lower standard of competition comes firstly from importing talent from overseas. Sending the cream of the crop over to Australia actually fights that by allowing the best Englishmen the chance to thrive under tougher conditions.
That doesn't make any sense. The imports are obviously better than their English counterparts, otherwise they wouldn't be playing. In cases where the English players are better, the imports end up in the reserves, get released and head back to the NRL.
If there wasn't so much money thrown into retirement funds for ex NRL players and more money put into development then it would be more healthy in the long term, it is even worse when they look for loopholes to have more imports.

Player drain is a follow on effect.
There's barely any money thrown into 'retirement funds', certainly not at the expense of junior development. There have been 3 players over the age of 30 signed from the NRL in the last 3 years. A great number of the imports go back and play NRL once they have finished in Super League. Which clubs are you referring to that have looked for 'loopholes'? I don't think you know what you are talking about.
 

WireMan

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I speak to English guys who dont seem to understand the fact that the lower standard of competition comes firstly from importing talent from overseas. Sending the cream of the crop over to Australia actually fights that by allowing the best Englishmen the chance to thrive under tougher conditions.

If there wasn't so much money thrown into retirement funds for ex NRL players and more money put into development then it would be more healthy in the long term, it is even worse when they look for loopholes to have more imports.

Player drain is a follow on effect.

If you have actually spoken to English guys i think they probably wouldn't understand what your talking about.

But to be clear, what your saying is:
The lower standard comes from importing Aussies who are better than what we have and not sending our best players to play abroad?

Ok.

The only thing i can think is your thinking about internationals when the forum and everyone else is talking about the super league? If thats the case then yeah you may have a point. But wrong place/thread.


Who are these retirement players your thinking about? It often gets put on here and i'm curious to which players we are talking about.
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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I dont think having imports in the ESL is detrimental of the English national team. Playing against the best makes you among the best. Its the challenges players face that make them strong.

I think that for the ESL to get to a higher quality they may need to play less games per year and adopt a stronger grasp of structured and disciplined style of play.

They are improving, so is the NRL but there will come a time when they start to pan out.
 

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