Fair pay and more games for Pacific RL players petition

[B rad]

With more and more Pacific NRL stars following the trend of wanting to represent their nation of heritage its time the RLIF made a small investment to pay these players a fair wage and give them annual games so they have a reasonable representative career. Sign this petition to put pressure on the RLIF to make sure this happens.

https://www.change.org/p/rugby-leag...-opportunity-for-pacific-rugby-league-players

 

[adamkungl]

Pass.

It's not the RLIFs job to pay professional players match fees.
It's not the RLIFs job to organise test matches for nations.

I would like to see a bi-annual Pacific Cup though.

 

[Springs09]

A 'fair wage' for a representative game is $0

You are representing your country, I really don't see how it could be any better. Expenses while on tour and compensation for loss of work is fair enough, but for a full time professional NRL player playing for Samoa? Start a petition to get Australia and State of Origin to pay their players less per game so that rep football isn't about money.

 

[B rad]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/pl...er-nations-cameron-smith-20171122-gzqxzj.html

"The Kangaroos skipper and his teammates stand to earn up to $60,000 apiece should they win the World Cup for an 11th time, while those representing minnow countries are earning just the $30 per day being given to competitors by the Rugby League International Federation which is overseeing the tournament, plus any prizemoney earned during the finals."

"On top of that the Australian Rugby League Commission is kicking in $30,000 each to Kangaroos and New Zealand players for competing in the tournament, as part of the pay deal negotiated earlier this year. The lower-tier nations were not included in that agreement."

These Pacific players pulled big crowds during the RLWC, gave us some great sporting drama and huge positive media coverage. Some of them are the best players in the world at their position. To say its fair they should be paid massive amounts to barely anything depending on what colour jersey they wear is just plain wrong.

We want a strong international RL competition, we need to spread the incentives to make playing for other nations viable. One game a year (which is what most pacific nations have planned for 2018 so far) for next to nothing compared to 3 state of origin games at 30 000 a pop end of season tours and tournaments is not a fair playing field if you want to create a competitive international game. The NRL has salary caps, a different method needs to be discovered to pay these other nations.

 

[adamkungl]

Australia can afford to pay their players through 100 years of running successful competitions and events.

It's nothing to do with the RLIF who run on a shoestring budget as is.

If Australia choose to assist other nations by paying their players match fees, it's good for the players in the short term but it comes with its own pitfalls. Those nations, and thus more of the international game, become dependant on Australia's supposed good will. If Australia is paying players, then Australia is going to want control over their scheduling and the lions share of any profits.

Tonga and Fiji should have enough momentum from the WC to schedule their own games and run their own business.

Australia already thinks it should be in control of when and where foreign nations play. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Pommy]

Sorry I’m all for international league but this is just nonsense really.
What we would be talking about here is that Australia pays for Australians and kiwis to go and play for their parents nations. Why would Australia do this?
New Zealand is different to the other pacific nations as they are a developed nation which adds financially to the NRL and adds a lot of players developed in New Zealand.
If people wish to go play for their heritage nations that’s fine but you can’t expect to have your cake and eat it.

The ARL/NRL should be responsible for no international fixtures besides the kangaroos, NRL payinng other nations players would cause a conflict of interest.

 

[adamkungl]

If people wish to go play for their heritage nations that’s fine but you can’t expect to have your cale and eat it.

Bingo. You can't act noble playing for the underdog but expect to get the big dog's paycheck too.

There are ways to improve the lot of the smaller nations but this is not it.

Step #1 is for a Pacific Cup in years 1 and 3 of the World Cup cycle, which to the surprise of no one has not been schedule this year. This falls squarely in the lap of the Asia Pacific Federation.

Step #2 is to not block or actively poach their players.

Step #3 is for the top nations to be available for matches against them rather than considering themselves above it.

Anything else is up to the individual nations themselves.

 

[Pommy]

Step #2 is to not block or actively poach their players.

England, Australia and NZ shouldn’t pick anyone who didn’t live in that nation as a child/teenager. No more Semis.

 

[roughyedspud]

If the NRL assisted Tonga & Samoa in putting on a 30,000 sellout blockbuster at MT smart or Eden park...and let Tonga & Samoa benefit from the increased ticket,sponsorship/corporate and media rights revenue from such a event...then Tonga & Samoa will have the bank balance to pay their players a decent match fee....

But the NRL is strangling their potential wealth by putting the game on as part of a double or triple header in some Sydney backwater!

Wanna start a petition? Do one to get the NRL to take international RL seriously!

 

[B rad]

Sorry I’m all for international league but this is just nonsense really.
What we would be talking about here is that Australia pays for Australians and kiwis to go and play for their parents nations. Why would Australia do this?
New Zealand is different to the other pacific nations as they are a developed nation which adds financially to the NRL and adds a lot of players developed in New Zealand.
If people wish to go play for their heritage nations that’s fine but you can’t expect to have your cake and eat it.

The ARL/NRL should be responsible for no international fixtures besides the kangaroos, NRL payinng other nations players would cause a conflict of interest.

Its not the NRL, its the RLIF who are responsible for the growth and development of the rugby league international game. We have Tonga, Samoa and Fiji nations that can field really strong teams and be competitive with the big 3. It is the job of the RLIF to make sure our international game is as strong as possible. Give the Pacific Nations some games and pay their players a decent wage or just ignore them and watch as all these players eventually make their way back into Australia and New Zealand destroying all the momentum we created with the RLWC making it a waste of time. We have had the big 3 for very long time playing each other year after year after year. We have an opportunity to add to the top tier, we would be incompetent to let this opportunity pass and let things go back to the way they were.

 

[Pommy]

Its not the NRL, its the RLIF who are responsible for the growth and development of the rugby league international game. We have Tonga, Samoa and Fiji nations that can field really strong teams and be competitive with the big 3. It is the job of the RLIF to make sure our international game is as strong as possible. Give the Pacific Nations some games and pay their players a decent wage or just ignore them and watch as all these players eventually make their way back into Australia and New Zealand destroying all the momentum we created with the RLWC making it a waste of time. We have had the big 3 for very long time playing each other year after year after year. We have an opportunity to add to the top tier, we would be incompetent to let this opportunity pass and let things go back to the way they were.

So where does the money come from?

 

[B rad]

Its an investment, if they have enough money to put on a RLWC they have enough money to put on a Pacific Cup with 4 nations. Judging by the amount of people that showed up to the Pacific Nations games in the last RLWC (record breaking attendances at Mt Smart Stadium for example) they should be able to create enough revenue for the tournament to pay for its self, pay the players and give a decent return to the RLIF.

 

[batley]

So where does the money come from?

Spud just explained that in his latest post.

 

[Pommy]

Spud just explained that in his latest post.

No because the OP said it’s the RLIF’s job not the NRL.

Its an investment, if they have enough money to put on a RLWC they have enough money to put on a Pacific Cup with 4 nations. Judging by the amount of people that showed up to the Pacific Nations games in the last RLWC (record breaking attendances at Mt Smart Stadium for example) they should be able to create enough revenue for the tournament to pay for its self, pay the players and give a decent return to the RLIF.

The RLWC sells TV rights in australia and in the UK, plus cities paid money to hold games there. If it’s such a guaranteed money spinner why don’t the pacific nations band together and do it themselves? Any bank would be happy to lend money to a group with a sure fire money spinner.

 

[B rad]

No because the OP said it’s the RLIF’s job not the NRL.



The RLWC sells TV rights in australia and in the UK, plus cities paid money to hold games there. If it’s such a guaranteed money spinner why don’t the pacific nations band together and do it themselves? Any bank would be happy to lend money to a group with a sure fire money spinner.

The Pacific Nations administrators are amateurs running small competitions. The people running Fiji cant even pay their players. Should we just say "hey, huge amount of support for the Pacific Nations last world cup would be nice if the game could do something with it, but the guys running it aren't up to scratch so that's a shame we will just let things go back to the way they were" or maybe the RLIF could step in and do something about it.

I suggest you actually read the petition if you haven't already. Don't have to sign it. Its about creating a tool to create revenue for these nations so they can run their own competitions and pay their own players and build teams instead of been thrown together every RLWC. An event with NRL star studded international teams shouldn't be to hard to sell if your an experienced administrator with experience in creating large scale tournaments, unfortunately none of those at running the Pacific Nations atm.

 

[Pommy]

The Pacific Nations administrators are amateurs running small competitions. The people running Fiji cant even pay their players. Should we just say "hey, huge amount of support for the Pacific Nations last world cup would be nice if the game could do something with it, but the guys running it aren't up to scratch so that's a shame we will just let things go back to the way they were" or maybe the RLIF could step in and do something about it.

I suggest you actually read the petition if you haven't already. Don't have to sign it. Its about creating a tool to create revenue for these nations so they can run their own competitions and pay their own players and build teams instead of been thrown together every RLWC. An event with NRL star studded international teams shouldn't be to hard to sell if your an experienced administrator with experience in creating large scale tournaments, unfortunately none of those at running the Pacific Nations atm.

I’m totally not against this happening, I just don’t think it’s the RLIFs place to do so.
A pacific cup is within the remit of APRLC as a regional rather than global event.
But these organisations are very small themselves, the RLIF didn’t organise the World Cup for instance a team made up from the host nations did so on behalf of them.

I back your idea I just think you’re going about it in the wrong way.

 

[adamkungl]

The Pacific Cup absolutely should be held this year and it's a piss take that they aren't selling tickets already.

But I've never heard of Asia pacific RLIF ever doing anything at all so no surprise they haven't started now.

 

[roughyedspud]

The Pacific Cup absolutely should be held this year and it's a piss take that they aren't selling tickets already.

But I've never heard of Asia pacific RLIF ever doing anything at all so no surprise they haven't started now.

The RLIF say it's the job of the regional bodies...RLEF & APRLC.. to organize regional cups ( European & pacific cups) and organize regional RLWCQs..

This came from Dave Collier last week

 

[adamkungl]

The RLIF say it's the job of the regional bodies...RLEF & APRLC.. to organize regional cups ( European & pacific cups) and organize regional RLWCQs..

This came from Dave Collier last week

Sorry I meant APRLC - what exactly do they do?

 

[roughyedspud]

They do what the RLEF do....eventually lol


See the problem is the RFL assisted the RLEF and helped them become what they are..

The NRL will never help the APRLC become what they should be....the NRL has to be the chief,cook and bottle washer......do Aussie's have that saying??? Lol