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7 of our biggest Problems:

1. Lack of energy/ Intensity. Bar the Manly, Dogs and Souths games we have come out flat as a tack. f**k me you professional footballers have one job. To be professional footballers! Show up, play with intent and purpose , get your body ready and do it again. Not showing up should be rare not the norm. I don't give a flying F if my team gets beat in a scenario like the Dogs game where everyone have their all and we ran out of troops but games like today and last week which we're 'not on' happen way too often.
We had no kick chase over the past 2 weeks other than the kicker, zero line speed . It really is a worry that a coach players supposedly want to play for can consistently send out a team that lacks effort . Especially away from home but it snuck into our home game today which was only a matter of time. Reminded me a lot of the shithouse effort we put in against Newcastle on a Sunday arvo last year.

2. Fullback play. We have no support play up the middle. Our 2nd man fullback out the back play is out of sync because the dude is so slow to get there. Our halves run across field waiting for him to be there to straighten up and we run out of room. He doesn't position well in defence or to field kicks and is 50/50 under
a highball. Basically, he isn't a fullbacks asshole.

3. Our # 7 is a bush footballer. If he wants to show up he's energetic and committed to tackles and injects himself into the game. If he lost money on the punt the morning of the game or feels like having a drink back home he doesn't even bother. If he's running out of the line and not attempting to put his body in the tackle you know he's off and hasn't bothered to turn up.

4. No speed . 1 guy in our backline has any speed at all. A lot of that is due to injury.

5. Joseph Paulo. Just a crab. Comes out first set after half time and throws a 3 metre forward pass then gives away a penalty next set. & does shit like this weekly for 3 seasons. Just a dumb player. Has the skill set to be a decent link man but doesn't have the brains. dumb as shit.

6. 2 Dummy Halves. usually his is only effective if the one on the bench comes on and changes the pace of the game/ finds room against tired forwards . We bring on a toiler who's slower than the original dummy half and the pace drops.

7 Tim Mannah. This won't be popular but he has nothing. the game has moved past his skill set. Front rowers need a little bit of subtlety. A bit of footwork, a bit of ability to hold the ball out and play before the line. He's added nothing to his game since he got in first grade. He doesn't hit in defence and he doesn't do anything other than a straight up and down 7 metre hit up with the ball. Every team needs a Tim Mannah. that's why every team has about 4 of them . We pay him well and he's our captain. Not worth the money
 

Joshuatheeel

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7 of our biggest Problems:

1. Lack of energy/ Intensity. Bar the Manly, Dogs and Souths games we have come out flat as a tack. f**k me you professional footballers have one job. To be professional footballers! Show up, play with intent and purpose , get your body ready and do it again. Not showing up should be rare not the norm. I don't give a flying F if my team gets beat in a scenario like the Dogs game where everyone have their all and we ran out of troops but games like today and last week which we're 'not on' happen way too often.
We had no kick chase over the past 2 weeks other than the kicker, zero line speed . It really is a worry that a coach players supposedly want to play for can consistently send out a team that lacks effort . Especially away from home but it snuck into our home game today which was only a matter of time. Reminded me a lot of the shithouse effort we put in against Newcastle on a Sunday arvo last year.

2. Fullback play. We have no support play up the middle. Our 2nd man fullback out the back play is out of sync because the dude is so slow to get there. Our halves run across field waiting for him to be there to straighten up and we run out of room. He doesn't position well in defence or to field kicks and is 50/50 under
a highball. Basically, he isn't a fullbacks asshole.

3. Our # 7 is a bush footballer. If he wants to show up he's energetic and committed to tackles and injects himself into the game. If he lost money on the punt the morning of the game or feels like having a drink back home he doesn't even bother. If he's running out of the line and not attempting to put his body in the tackle you know he's off and hasn't bothered to turn up.

4. No speed . 1 guy in our backline has any speed at all. A lot of that is due to injury.

5. Joseph Paulo. Just a crab. Comes out first set after half time and throws a 3 metre forward pass then gives away a penalty next set. & does shit like this weekly for 3 seasons. Just a dumb player. Has the skill set to be a decent link man but doesn't have the brains. dumb as shit.

6. 2 Dummy Halves. usually his is only effective if the one on the bench comes on and changes the pace of the game/ finds room against tired forwards . We bring on a toiler who's slower than the original dummy half and the pace drops.

7 Tim Mannah. This won't be popular but he has nothing. the game has moved past his skill set. Front rowers need a little bit of subtlety. A bit of footwork, a bit of ability to hold the ball out and play before the line. He's added nothing to his game since he got in first grade. He doesn't hit in defence and he doesn't do anything other than a straight up and down 7 metre hit up with the ball. Every team needs a Tim Mannah. that's why every team has about 4 of them . We pay him well and he's our captain. Not worth the money

Cool always wanted to know what timmy was earning, since you know we are paying him will, could you let me know ?
 

hindmarshisgod

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Totally agree with every point, but isnt this a coaching fault rather than blaming players who are just obeying the coaching game plans and structures?
 
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I don't like to be too harsh on Timmy, as he gives his all and is an honest toiler. It's just that that's what your base wage borderline first graders should be , not the face of your club and leader.

It's harsh but just as years of successful culture can make a player valuable , years of ineptitude and inconsistency can take its toll on a leader. Timmy came off yesterday with us down 8 and was shaking his head and down cast. I dare say Young Timmy coming through successful teams would have been positive and upbeat. I feel sorry for the bloke having to say every year we finally have a team that has heart or there's a different feeling in the place or blah blah. Or the best thing about rugby league is you get a chance to redeem a shit effort a week later. I think it's more wishful thinking from him. Harsh reality is he doesn't offer enough as a player and has has probably inherited an attitude a lot of us fans watching this crap have. Think it's taken its toll on the guy.
 

Eelementary

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I don't like to be too harsh on Timmy, as he gives his all and is an honest toiler. It's just that that's what your base wage borderline first graders should be , not the face of your club and leader.

It's harsh but just as years of successful culture can make a player valuable , years of ineptitude and inconsistency can take its toll on a leader. Timmy came off yesterday with us down 8 and was shaking his head and down cast. I dare say Young Timmy coming through successful teams would have been positive and upbeat. I feel sorry for the bloke having to say every year we finally have a team that has heart or there's a different feeling in the place or blah blah. Or the best thing about rugby league is you get a chance to redeem a shit effort a week later. I think it's more wishful thinking from him. Harsh reality is he doesn't offer enough as a player and has has probably inherited an attitude a lot of us fans watching this crap have. Think it's taken its toll on the guy.

I think that, given what his family has gone through, the last thing he needs is the extra pressure of being skipper.

But if Foran doesn't backflip, he's captain in 2016.
 

The Engineers Room

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I agree with everything, but I think the criticism on Mannah is very harsh.

I don't like to be too harsh on Timmy, as he gives his all and is an honest toiler. It's just that that's what your base wage borderline first graders should be , not the face of your club and leader.

It's harsh but just as years of successful culture can make a player valuable , years of ineptitude and inconsistency can take its toll on a leader. Timmy came off yesterday with us down 8 and was shaking his head and down cast. I dare say Young Timmy coming through successful teams would have been positive and upbeat. I feel sorry for the bloke having to say every year we finally have a team that has heart or there's a different feeling in the place or blah blah. Or the best thing about rugby league is you get a chance to redeem a shit effort a week later. I think it's more wishful thinking from him. Harsh reality is he doesn't offer enough as a player and has has probably inherited an attitude a lot of us fans watching this crap have. Think it's taken its toll on the guy.

Funny that this has been my criticism of Mannah since he was a junior. No footwork, no offload, no passing game so he just hits it up and they get numbers in the tackle to limit his effectiveness.

I think he has his good games where he fights in the tackle but it he only developed a passing game or footwork he would be so much more effective. But no one every would bother to follow him up because he doesn't offload or when he does it is not a good pass.

When you watch a guy like Junior Paulo or Mau run up they look like they are going to do something.
 

Eelementary

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Funny that this has been my criticism of Mannah since he was a junior. No footwork, no offload, no passing game so he just hits it up and they get numbers in the tackle to limit his effectiveness.

I think he has his good games where he fights in the tackle but it he only developed a passing game or footwork he would be so much more effective. But no one every would bother to follow him up because he doesn't offload or when he does it is not a good pass.

When you watch a guy like Junior Paulo or Mau run up they look like they are going to do something.

I agree - he needs to develop an offload, pass before the line or a step.

But I can't fault his effort.
 

phantom eel

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Totally agree with every point, but isnt this a coaching fault rather than blaming players who are just obeying the coaching game plans and structures?
That's an assumption.

As BA points out (even after wins), if our completion rates are down it's hard to play the football we want to play (game plan). The coach doesn't tell them to drop the ball, throw forward passes, give away stupid penalties or miss easy tackles.

Some weeks the players have trouble focussing on the fundamentals, while other weeks they come out and play string for 80mins. The issue is consistency and commitment, and yes the coach has to try and get the players to deliver it - but the fault lies inherently within the underperforming player/s.
 

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