FIRFL 2015 - Italy RL Breakaway group

[miguel de cervantes]

More intriguing is the "unofficial" FIRFL being absorbed into the FIR, the rugby union federation, appearing in the latter's statutes as being in charge of rugby 13s and rugby 9s!

Was this a planned move from the FIRFL? At the bequest of who?
What does this mean exactly?
Where does this leave the official FIRL?

 

[DlEHARD]

So Italian RU now play RL?

 

[miguel de cervantes]

No, no. It just means that the FIR acknowledges the existence of the FIRFL developing rugby league. There is surely more to it than this though, especially considering FIR acknowledge the FIRFL but the RLEF don't.

 

[CQ Italia]

No, no. It just means that the FIR acknowledges the existence of the FIRFL developing rugby league. There is surely more to it than this though, especially considering FIR acknowledge the FIRFL but the RLEF don't.

Fir are recognised by CONI. Who in turn are recognised by the IOC and sports Accord.

80000+ players available to rugby a xiii. When will officials open their eyes!

 

[miguel de cervantes]

So the FIRFL did this for CONI recognition? A bit like the south africans?
Temporarily or permanently (the RLEF are applying for Sports Accord)?

 

[Evil Homer]

According to this article, RL has been acknowledged as an official sport in Italy: http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...is-still-growing/story-fns99y8z-1227306881196

Is this related to the FIRFL's affiliation with the Italian RU, or something different? It seems strange that the FIRFL would have to affiliate with the RU body, especially given that it's not the officially recognized RL body. Effectively this pits the RLEF against the Italian RU. Surely the IRB would need to step in and clarify that RL and RU are separate, unrelated sports?

 

[DlEHARD]

Has there been an official release that can explain WTF is going on? Because the CM article is also wrong, it hasnt been recognised as an independent sport by the government.

 

[CQ Italia]

Has there been an official release that can explain WTF is going on? Because the CM article is also wrong, it hasnt been recognised as an independent sport by the government.

yeah, the CM appears to be a tad wrong

 

[CQ Italia]

FIRFL come in agreement with the Italian Rugby Federation (FIR) and now is under CONI

The FIRFL, now known as Lega IRFL on Wednesday, 15 April was officially announced to be recognised by the Italian Rugby Federation (FIR) in an historic development partnership. The Lega IRFL is recognised as the association committed to the sport and growth of rugby league (for rugby a 13 and rugby a 9).

This now means, the Lega IRFL now falls under CONI (the Italian National Olympic Committee) and effectively, the IOC. Only one rugby league federation can come under FIR and CONI.

“IRFL - The Federal Council has unanimously approved the acknowledgement of the Association called Lega Italia Rugby Football League (hereafter referred to as Lega IRFL) withan registered office in Rome, Via Santa Croce in Gerusalemme 63, which sports association under the federal support, committed to the activity in the form of Rugby a 13 and Rugby a 9.”
Link: http://federugby.it/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=3612&Itemid=97

The Lega IRFL will now focus their attention on their International Rugby League match against BARA (British Asian Rugby Association) who will be lead by former rugby league legends Ikram Butt and Garry Schofield (as coach) in Rome on May 16.

 

[CQ Italia]

According to this article, RL has been acknowledged as an official sport in Italy: http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...is-still-growing/story-fns99y8z-1227306881196

Is this related to the FIRFL's affiliation with the Italian RU, or something different? It seems strange that the FIRFL would have to affiliate with the RU body, especially given that it's not the officially recognized RL body. Effectively this pits the RLEF against the Italian RU. Surely the IRB would need to step in and clarify that RL and RU are separate, unrelated sports?

Baiscally this means Lega IRFL / FIRFL is under CONI now anyway for rugby league


Important to note, rugby league isn't actually a recognised sport by Sports Accord yet

And Norway RL and SARL have had to do the same thing - they are still RL bodies just affiliated to the two rugby bodies but have their government recognition, not sure who else. But of course Russia and Morocco had issues.
Doesn't stop RLEF/RLIF supporting South Africa and Norway

 

[ULYSSES]

Does this mean that League has made inroads to Rugby or does it mean that League is now a feeder comp to Rugby. It is too confusing.

 

[miguel de cervantes]

It's far from ideal, but if that is what needs to be done to get some sort of recognition whilst waiting for Sports Accord then so be it. We also shouldn't ignore the fact that in Italy there is a lot of collaboration between league and union clubs.

I'm just worried the FIRFL is using this as a way to wrestle away official RLEF recognition from the FIRL.

 

[Evil Homer]

Baiscally this means Lega IRFL / FIRFL is under CONI now anyway for rugby league


Important to note, rugby league isn't actually a recognised sport by Sports Accord yet

And Norway RL and SARL have had to do the same thing - they are still RL bodies just affiliated to the two rugby bodies but have their government recognition, not sure who else. But of course Russia and Morocco had issues.
Doesn't stop RLEF/RLIF supporting South Africa and Norway

It's just weird, RL and RU are not affiliated at all, why should they have to be governed by the same organization just because they have a similar name? It's like forcing ice hockey to affiliate with the field hockey governing body. So stupid.

 

[hutch]

I don't like it all, we are trying to establish our own identity and now we are shacked up with a sport that has been trying to destroy us. How do we benefit from joining rugby union? Why would they give us any priority which could impact on their sport?

 

[CQ Italia]

as miguel de cervantes said: "It's far from ideal, but if that is what needs to be done to get some sort of recognition whilst waiting for Sports Accord then so be it. We also shouldn't ignore the fact that in Italy there is a lot of collaboration between league and union clubs."

Things are a lot different in countries like Italy, than England/Australia and France.

FIRFL/Lega IRFL is still it's own sports association, just under FIR and would still be following CONI's same laws they have for everyone. Still under their own identity "rugby a 13 and "Rugby a 9" as organised by Lega IRFL they have basically included.

The same is done in Norway RL and now/soon South Africa...

Will mean government funding now (unlike before) and a mutual rugby benefits

 

[Bronco Rob]

I'm just worried the FIRFL is using this as a way to wrestle away official RLEF recognition from the FIRL.

Miguel, do you think RL is better served with the FIRL as the affiliated body under the RLEF? To me moving forward even though the partnership with RU doesn't sit well with me I think the FIRFL would be a better option to run the game in Italy. They are the more active and seem to be the more professionally run body and this has been without any help from the RLEF at all. I think the RLEF have a conflict of interest of some sort with the FIRL given the material I have read over the last couple of years.

 

[miguel de cervantes]

I'm not at all well placed to know and I won't speculate.

 

[miguel de cervantes]

http://www.ilmamilio.it/m/it/rugby/26833-rugby-league,-la-fir-riconosce-la-nuova-lega-irfl-–-gentile-«un-passo-storico».html

A little more info on the deal, citing league as a training instrument for teaching and practicing technical aspects.

From the FIR point of view, I gather they are getting tired of being on the outer, stagnating and always getting beaten in the 6N, and thus are willing to try are few different things to improve their rugby as a whole and can do with all the help they can get to compete with soccer in the country.

 

[CQ Italia]

http://www.ilmamilio.it/m/it/rugby/26833-rugby-league,-la-fir-riconosce-la-nuova-lega-irfl-?-gentile-«un-passo-storico».html

A little more info on the deal, citing league as a training instrument for teaching and practicing technical aspects.

From the FIR point of view, I gather they are getting tired of being on the outer, stagnating and always getting beaten in the 6N, and thus are willing to try are few different things to improve their rugby as a whole and can do with all the help they can get to compete with soccer in the country.

it would be nice if they got every junior playing rugby league 9's/13's as that would significantly benefit their players, particularly outside backs! Even touch football (RL really)

 

[CQ Italia]

Miguel, do you think RL is better served with the FIRL as the affiliated body under the RLEF? To me moving forward even though the partnership with RU doesn't sit well with me I think the FIRFL would be a better option to run the game in Italy. They are the more active and seem to be the more professionally run body and this has been without any help from the RLEF at all. I think the RLEF have a conflict of interest of some sort with the FIRL given the material I have read over the last couple of years.

firl tried also
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-the-rugby-codes-in-italy-20131113-2xhmp.html