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Future face of English RL - Multicultural ?

The Partisan

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A lot is often made of the growing 'Islanderisation' of Australian RL in the major cities and this having a direct effect on the make up of the NRL (and current NYC).

With England having its own major melting pot of races gradually increasing due to EU dealings or other immigration guidelines - will this have a knock on effect in the long run to Rugby League communities ?

A very quick look at some 2011 stats showed 'The North' having significant number of those born on the sub continent - but suprisingly (to me anyway) also Poland and Germany.

Is there any indications that either of these groups are being attracted to the game or indeed making headway in the juniors ?

Is there a chance that these groups will be the emerging if not prominent culture of the game in the next 20 or 30 years ?
 

Lockyer4President!

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Poles are everywhere in England man. Ask anyone over 50 :)

I wouldn't be surprised if they do start filtering into the English national teams at some point but the average Polish teen isn't going to have a physical advantage over a typical English teen. I'm not sure we'll see a big demographic change in the UK like we have seen in Aus/NZ RL.
 
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Is Ikram Butt still running his Asian Rugby League foundation? Incidentally, I saw an article about Pakistanian (?) kids in Auckland taking up the game... seems to be a success so the ideas are out there...
 

nzwarriorskuz

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A lot is often made of the growing 'Islanderisation' of Australian RL in the major cities and this having a direct effect on the make up of the NRL (and current NYC).

With England having its own major melting pot of races gradually increasing due to EU dealings or other immigration guidelines - will this have a knock on effect in the long run to Rugby League communities ?

A very quick look at some 2011 stats showed 'The North' having significant number of those born on the sub continent - but suprisingly (to me anyway) also Poland and Germany.

Is there any indications that either of these groups are being attracted to the game or indeed making headway in the juniors ?

Is there a chance that these groups will be the emerging if not prominent culture of the game in the next 20 or 30 years ?

I think in the UK you will find some of African/Carribean descent but nowhere near the impact that the Islanders make in the NRL.
 

miguel de cervantes

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From a simply class perspective, immigrants will more likely find themselves involved in league rather than union, but above all soccer.
 
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I don't see why anyone would be optimistic. The Rugby League hotbeds in England have had no shortage of Asians, mainly of Pakistani descent, to draw from for decades, and there's been a big failure to get the communities involved in league in any meaningful way.

Most rugby league towns are pretty segregated from my experience, racism is widespread and people stick to their own communities and areas.

I don't want to ruffle feathers but tbh if I was an Asian parent I could understand having reservations about putting my kid on a rugby league field full of white lads in say a place like Keighley

Dunno, could be I'm just talking shit and things have changed a lot since I grew up
 

Paullyboy

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I don't see why anyone would be optimistic. The Rugby League hotbeds in England have had no shortage of Asians, mainly of Pakistani descent, to draw from for decades, and there's been a big failure to get the communities involved in league in any meaningful way.

Most rugby league towns are pretty segregated from my experience, racism is widespread and people stick to their own communities and areas.

I don't want to ruffle feathers but tbh if I was an Asian parent I could understand having reservations about putting my kid on a rugby league field full of white lads in say a place like Keighley

Dunno, could be I'm just talking shit and things have changed a lot since I grew up

No, you are completely correct. I spent the past two years living in and around Leeds and it's quite clear that the Asian/Muslim communities have absolutely no interest in being a part of British life. It's so sad really, they'll wipe out British culture within a couple of hundred years.
 

roughyedspud

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when i was playing for saddleworth under 18s,playing in the penninie league playing against teams from west yorkshire,which has a reletively high asian population,i only ever played against 1 asian lad,right big f**ker he was,ran right over me lol..
 

DC_fan

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No, you are completely correct. I spent the past two years living in and around Leeds and it's quite clear that the Asian/Muslim communities have absolutely no interest in being a part of British life. It's so sad really, they'll wipe out British culture within a couple of hundred years.

I understand where you are coming from but since you and I, our children and grandchildren will not be here by then does it matter?
 

Paullyboy

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London has less than 25% of people who identify as 'white british'. I haven't seen statistics for the north, but it's heading that way.
 

roughyedspud

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lol no its not...oldham has be considered to have a high asian population,you even get idiots in oldham claiming "they are everywhere".....yet in reality its only about 7.5% of the 220,000 people in oldham that are of pakistani,bangladeshi or indian decent...
 

bowes

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I think the demise of the game I'm Bradford and Oldham is linked to the demographic changes.
 
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lol no its not...oldham has be considered to have a high asian population,you even get idiots in oldham claiming "they are everywhere".....yet in reality its only about 7.5% of the 220,000 people in oldham that are of pakistani,bangladeshi or indian decent...

Yeah, a lot of the stuff you hear is bullshit. I don't really put too much weight in the argument that they refuse to be apart of British life either, it's definitely give and take, a lot of the people I know in these places are hardly welcoming of brown people

And then you hear a lot of shit about British values and how they won't blend in but these are the same people who'll then turn around and kick up a fuss if some asian lads walked into their local boozer for a piss up. Don't think you can please them either way. Similar crack in general about immigrants scrounging welfare but then when they're working they're stealing jobs? Which is it? :lol::lol::lol:

then again we're both from towns that played their part in the infamous '01 riots so we're probably around a disproportionate amount of racist merkins compared to other places
 

roughyed8

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lol no its not...oldham has be considered to have a high asian population,you even get idiots in oldham claiming "they are everywhere".....yet in reality its only about 7.5% of the 220,000 people in oldham that are of pakistani,bangladeshi or indian decent...

You are well under there spud according to the 2011 census the ethnic population of oldham totalled 22.5% with 11% Pakistani and 7% Bangaladeshi. So in fact the idiots have a point when they say they are everywhere and large parts of town it's hard to spot a white face on the streets on in the schools,I have even had oh you're from Oldhamabad from the Mancs down the hill.
http://www.vaoldham.org.uk/sites/vaoldham.org.uk/files/Census 2011 key stats briefing 14 Dec 12.pdf
 
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Evil Homer

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I go to a gym that is literally full of Asian and Eastern European immigrants and they are no more or less friendly or hospitable than anyone else, I think the 'issue' if there is one is that they tend to have their own segregated neighborhoods and communities which they have no real incentive to leave. Which make sense TBH, I imagine if we moved to China or somewhere we would probably prefer to seek out and identify with other Westerners rather than going round befriending all the local Chinese people and taking part in Chinese customs etc.

In RL terms, it would probably take the local immigrant community as a whole to embrace the sport for any of them to get involved. Which I guess could happen, but is probably unlikely to happen just by chance. FWIW there is very little British Asian penetration in professional football either.
 

roughyedspud

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You are well under there spud according to the 2011 census the ethnic population of oldham totalled 22.5% with 11% Pakistani and 7% Bangaladeshi. So in fact the idiots have a point when they say they are everywhere and large parts of town it's hard to spot a white face on the streets on in the schools,I have even had oh you're from Oldhamabad from the Mancs down the hill.
http://www.vaoldham.org.uk/sites/vaoldham.org.uk/files/Census 2011 key stats briefing 14 Dec 12.pdf

what stat have i read then?? i'll look on my laptop after work
 
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This is what's happening in uNZud...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11346678

League: Breaking down ethnic barriers

What began as an attempt to attract a new and diverse market has developed into a colourful, multi-cultural adventure for Counties Manukau Rugby League.

When South Auckland league administrators examined options to grow the 13-man code within the region, the Asian and Indian communities appealed as untapped resources.

The Warriors and NRL competition were well supported within both communities but various cultural barriers saw their young men hesitant to play the game.

A core group of a dozen aspiring players were eager to try their hand and what they lacked in physicality and understanding of the game, they more than made up for in enthusiasm, passion, and a willingness to learn.

CMRL general manager Kasey King made it his responsibility to nurture their interest and began devising a plan to develop their skills and conditioning to enable them to play the sport safely.

"I looked at some of the stats and it said that by 2020, 20 per cent of Aucklanders would be of Asian descent," King explained. "It made good sense to me that that was a market that we should be targeting, not just from a participation aspect, but also with what that community could bring to the game in terms of business nous, good work ethic, and community spirit."

King anticipated religious differences and cultural issues might inhibit the group but quickly discovered that physicality was the biggest barrier to them playing league.

"The only barrier was physicality. The boys didn't want to take on the big Maori and Pacifica boys because of their natural athleticism."

A proposal to play in a weight-restricted competition was rejected, with the group doubting their skills would measure up, and it was decided they would play among themselves.

King enlisted a coach to take them through the basics and a boom in interest saw enough players for two teams, and the genesis for what would become the Ethnic League was formed.

"We were dealing with Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, and Hindus. One boy said to me, 'a year ago we wouldn't have sat around the table with this group because of the different religious divides'. The game brought them together and broke down so many barriers."

After testing the waters with a best of three-game series a dearth of player numbers at the Pukekohe club presented the chance for some of King's crew to make the jump into the open club competition.

"I gave them some warnings: Pukekohe is in the third division so it's quite rugged and unstructured and also it is more physical and there is a gang affiliation in the area as well. They said 'yep, we're in', with no hesitation.

"We got a hiding every week but they learned a lot and realised that with the training they had done they were able to mix it physically and they thoroughly enjoyed it.

"The Black Power community was supporting the team largely made up of Indian boys that have been brought in. It was a really interesting dynamic but everyone embraced it, including the gang members themselves."

The end of the club season allowed the chance for the Ethnic League to get off the ground and with the aid of the local Auckland Indian radio station, four teams began competing for the Radio Tarana Cup under the umbrella logo of the Counties Manukau Stingrays.

"Three teams are made up of Indian descent and one made up largely of Filipinos and also Chinese as well. They've got to have at least 50 per cent ethnicity. They've got Fijian Indians in there and some that are half Chinese or half Indian and that's what we wanted to do."

To help raise the competition's profile and to provide the players with something to aspire to, the Ethnic League games were staged as curtain raisers to the National Premiership competition.

A six-week round robin culminated in the Auckland Wasps claiming a 30-14 win over the Counties Manukau Stingrays in the final.

"This kind of competition will build the awareness of rugby league in the ethnic culture, Indian, Asian, Middle Eastern, that's why we all come together," explained Wasps captain Ravi Kumar. "We had big mana for this tournament coming in and luckily enough we made the finals. They were all strangers to me but as a team we have a good union and are like brothers now."

With the Ethnic League now in place, King's ultimate goal is to establish an international Indian team.

"I'm sharing this dream with the boys now and I'm telling them 'you guys are pioneers. You guys are actually potentially laying a foundation for future league players to come out of India'," he said. "If we can create pathways and introduce them to clubs some of them may go on to representative stuff. One day we could potentially talk to sporting bodies in India about what's happening and the structures we have in place and who knows where it could go."

- NZ Herald
 

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