The Game Future NRL Stadiums part II

[justdave]

Its hard to turn a dog turd into a palace with no money! You get the feeling these brookvale concepts get released every couple of years to appease the NRL that they really are trying to do something.

Sounds just like the Perth Pirates

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Its hard to turn a dog turd into a palace with no money! You get the feeling these brookvale concepts get released every couple of years to appease the NRL that they really are trying to do something.

Manly are in the same situation that your fav team Cronulla were 5 yrs ago. Only difference is cronulla owned there land. If the council/government doesn’t come to the party for manly they will need to do something drastic because they won’t keep up. But if the council opens zoning laws and allows building developments at the stadium they could quite possibly be back from the dead with avengance. That’s a big if though.

In regards to Allianz and Anz issues could it be possible that the Nrl seeks a stadium/building developer and does it themselves? Stick with me here... It’s proposed that the Allianz total rebuild would cost $600 mil ish? The scg trust would throw in $50 mil so gov input is $550 mil? That leaves $1.05 billion Left of the $1.6bil. Now if the Nrl bought the land and stadium for $50 mil and then got $800 mil (gov receives $250mil discount, could be used to fix transport issues around Anz) from gov for stadium rebuild plus Unit developments and retail developments. (Similar to cronulla but bigger) would that not fix the issue of the gov using less public money, Allianz getting there build and Nrl/ffa getting there stadium?

 

[dangerousdave]

Manly are in the same situation that your fav team Cronulla were 5 yrs ago. Only difference is cronulla owned there land. If the council/government doesn’t come to the party for manly they will need to do something drastic because they won’t keep up. But if the council opens zoning laws and allows building developments at the stadium they could quite possibly be back from the dead with avengance. That’s a big if though.

In regards to Allianz and Anz issues could it be possible that the Nrl seeks a stadium/building developer and does it themselves? Stick with me here... It’s proposed that the Allianz total rebuild would cost $600 mil ish? The scg trust would throw in $50 mil so gov input is $550 mil? That leaves $1.05 billion Left of the $1.6bil. Now if the Nrl bought the land and stadium for $50 mil and then got $800 mil (gov receives $250mil discount, could be used to fix transport issues around Anz) from gov for stadium rebuild plus Unit developments and retail developments. (Similar to cronulla but bigger) would that not fix the issue of the gov using less public money, Allianz getting there build and Nrl/ffa getting there stadium?

Allianz rebuild was costed at $800mil.

ANZ is f**ked for transport for now but will be getting a $10 billion metro AND be connected to Parra and Strathfield by light rail.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

Allianz rebuild was costed at $800mil.

ANZ is f**ked for transport for now but will be getting a $10 billion metro AND be connected to Parra and Strathfield by light rail.

Oh ok. I had seen an article were it was $600 mil build with scg trust throwing in $50 mil. My example though would still stand. $800mil for a 40/50k seat stadium when cowboys is $250mil 25,000 seat? Anyway whether it’s $600 mil or $800 mil. All the scg trust it committing is something like $50/$100mil. Surely we would be allowed the same plus development approvals? Maybe West Tigers Meriton owner could help us with the build?

And obviously try and fast track the transport issues.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Oh ok. I had seen an article were it was $600 mil build with scg trust throwing in $50 mil. My example though would still stand. $800mil for a 40/50k seat stadium when cowboys is $250mil 25,000 seat? Anyway whether it’s $600 mil or $800 mil. All the scg trust it committing is something like $50/$100mil. Surely we would be allowed the same plus development approvals? Maybe West Tigers Meriton owner could help us with the build?

And obviously try and fast track the transport issues.

The NRL won't throw much money at stadium building for one reason, they don't own the land the stadiums are on. The only people who will get the benefits in your suggestion is the NSW Government. It would not give the NRL any additional rights/entitlements at the stadium, especially as the only time the NRL hires a ground is for a finals game. The hiring costs for each ground are borne and met by the respective clubs. Hence it would not make economic sense on that ground alone for the NRL to fund any rebuilds.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

The NRL won't throw much money at stadium building for one reason, they don't own the land the stadiums are on. The only people who will get the benefits in your suggestion is the NSW Government. It would not give the NRL any additional rights/entitlements at the stadium, especially as the only time the NRL hires a ground is for a finals game. The hiring costs for each ground are borne and met by the respective clubs. Hence it would not make economic sense on that ground alone for the NRL to fund any rebuilds.

I can accept that but I could counter with. What if the governement gave the stadium land to the Nrl for $1. A 50 yr lease. More than enough time for the stadium to be out dated by 2070. The outskirts of the stadium could be sold outright and developed with units and restaurants, clubs, COE. All of which has been spoken about before. That money raised along with the rest of the $1.6bil left helps build the stadium. Gov gets there land back and Nrl/soccer get there stadium built. The Nrl could make a deal with the gov, a number of ways. They just need to think outside the box.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

I can accept that but I could counter with. What if the governement gave the stadium land to the Nrl for $1. A 50 yr lease. More than enough time for the stadium to be out dated by 2070. The outskirts of the stadium could be sold outright and developed with units and restaurants, clubs, COE. All of which has been spoken about before. That money raised along with the rest of the $1.6bil left helps build the stadium. Gov gets there land back and Nrl/soccer get there stadium built. The Nrl could make a deal with the gov, a number of ways. They just need to think outside the box.

I have no idea of stadium costs for clubs or Nrl. But if it costs the Nrl/clubs a combined $10mil a yr to host gf/origin/club games/finals/WC/all stars/9’s/touch footy etc surely some cost would be expected.

 

[Vee]

This is how you do a stadium

Rectangular is how you do a stadium.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Rectangular is how you do a stadium.

Not if you like cricket too

 

[herbert henry1908]

Rebuild and include dirt hills for fans?

Dirt hills around most of the stadium have no place in modern wealthy sports. It screams: provincial small time suburban sport.

Part of the problem down at Brookvale is the council want the faculty accessible for ratepayers. The open end design is meant so it’ll be seen as a park on non footy days.

An all seater for Manly is a pipe dream, they’ll take anything they can get tbh.

 

[herbert henry1908]

The Eels are lucky that they're based in such a strategically important location, at least as far as the NSW Government is concerned.
Parramatta is booming - high-rises springing up like bamboo shoots, an increasing amount of corporates and Government departments shifting their branches/operations West, light rail about to be built to service the greater Metropolitan area - it's being invested in heavily and will become, even more so, a city in its own right and Sydney's second major CBD.
Theoretically, a quality stadium built right in the heart of a burgeoning CBD is a masterstroke. In reality though, the major fly in the ointment is the fact that the Parramatta Leagues Club is literally right next door - a monumental turnoff in trying to attract other NRL clubs to bring home fixtures to the stadium.

Yeah they’ve decided 2 tenants are enough, they had to know most other NRL teams would be reluctant to use it. Which makes ANZ all the more critical to get it done right.

I could see Penrith using Parramatta for week 1&2 finals, ditto Tigers. That’s probably it.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Allianz rebuild was costed at $800mil.

ANZ is f**ked for transport for now but will be getting a $10 billion metro AND be connected to Parra and Strathfield by light rail.

Allianz cost is $400m to $800m according to this piece

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...s/news-story/73d584ae0e63de47079c3789bfd007b5

Pretty sure the $800m comes from the 60k stadium that wanted to build. That’s not happening anymore.

Parramatta cost for 30k is $300-360m, can’t see how Allianz could be more than double for a 40-45k stadium

 

[herbert henry1908]

Oh ok. I had seen an article were it was $600 mil build with scg trust throwing in $50 mil. My example though would still stand. $800mil for a 40/50k seat stadium when cowboys is $250mil 25,000 seat? Anyway whether it’s $600 mil or $800 mil. All the scg trust it committing is something like $50/$100mil. Surely we would be allowed the same plus development approvals? Maybe West Tigers Meriton owner could help us with the build?

And obviously try and fast track the transport issues.

It’s not $800m. That’s for the original 60k proposal with a roof. Not happening.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

The Eels are lucky that they're based in such a strategically important location, at least as far as the NSW Government is concerned.

Its a shame Wentworth were overlooked in '67 for Penrith.

They would have been sharing a stadium and fighting over territory with Parra, so the Wenty V Parra matches would have been the best rivalry in the game.

Parramatta is booming - high-rises springing up like bamboo shoots, an increasing amount of corporates and Government departments shifting their branches/operations West, light rail about to be built to service the greater Metropolitan area - it's being invested in heavily and will become, even more so, a city in its own right and Sydney's second major CBD.
Theoretically, a quality stadium built right in the heart of a burgeoning CBD is a masterstroke. In reality though, the major fly in the ointment is the fact that the Parramatta Leagues Club is literally right next door - a monumental turnoff in trying to attract other NRL clubs to bring home fixtures to the stadium.

Wests Ashfield have stated that, when Balmain formally die and pull out of the WTs club, they arent interested in taking full control of the club and that they will want a new partner.

They could do worse than selling the the Balmain shares to Wentworth Leagues Club.

It would make Parra Stadium a very viable option as a home ground and it would give WTs the stability they need to finally become a major club.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Its hard to turn a dog turd into a palace with no money! You get the feeling these brookvale concepts get released every couple of years to appease the NRL that they really are trying to do something.

Best case, they get funding for the CoE and turn Brooky into a training park and take Home Games up to the Central Coast where they might finally start to get some decent crowds.

Or maybe they can just shop around for a Northern Suburbs council more willing to help them out. Looking themselves in to Brooky takes away whatever bargaining power they might have.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Its a shame Wentworth were overlooked in '67 for Penrith.

They would have been sharing a stadium and fighting over territory with Parra, so the Wenty V Parra matches would have been the best rivalry in the game.



Wests Ashfield have stated that, when Balmain formally die and pull out of the WTs club, they arent interested in taking full control of the club and that they will want a new partner.

They could do worse than selling the the Balmain shares to Wentworth Leagues Club.

It would make Parra Stadium a very viable option as a home ground and it would give WTs the stability they need to finally become a major club.

They’d want to change the name in order to get any wenty fans to buy into it, wouldn’t they? And are there that many wenty fans to worry about?

I wonder if Triguboff would be a potential buyer?

 

[Matty_C]

Manly are in the same situation that your fav team Cronulla were 5 yrs ago. Only difference is cronulla owned there land. If the council/government doesn’t come to the party for manly they will need to do something drastic because they won’t keep up. But if the council opens zoning laws and allows building developments at the stadium they could quite possibly be back from the dead with avengance. That’s a big if though.

In regards to Allianz and Anz issues could it be possible that the Nrl seeks a stadium/building developer and does it themselves? Stick with me here... It’s proposed that the Allianz total rebuild would cost $600 mil ish? The scg trust would throw in $50 mil so gov input is $550 mil? That leaves $1.05 billion Left of the $1.6bil. Now if the Nrl bought the land and stadium for $50 mil and then got $800 mil (gov receives $250mil discount, could be used to fix transport issues around Anz) from gov for stadium rebuild plus Unit developments and retail developments. (Similar to cronulla but bigger) would that not fix the issue of the gov using less public money, Allianz getting there build and Nrl/ffa getting there stadium?

The sharks are actually doing something about our stadium. Ie: upgrading or re developing Monty porter stand to be bigger, with help from fans, and grant/ from Govt (to do with centre of excellence and so on)

 

[Perth Red]

I can accept that but I could counter with. What if the governement gave the stadium land to the Nrl for $1. A 50 yr lease. More than enough time for the stadium to be out dated by 2070. The outskirts of the stadium could be sold outright and developed with units and restaurants, clubs, COE. All of which has been spoken about before. That money raised along with the rest of the $1.6bil left helps build the stadium. Gov gets there land back and Nrl/soccer get there stadium built. The Nrl could make a deal with the gov, a number of ways. They just need to think outside the box.

Only way it would work is of 5 or 6 Sydney clubs based themselves at the stadium so nrl was guaranteed income to cover cost of development and strategically it was worth them owning a um for emeritus of nrl. But this isnt Melbourne and clubs wou,d rare play in their own suburbs run down dumps.

 

[Perth Red]

Part of the problem down at Brookvale is the council want the faculty accessible for ratepayers. The open end design is meant so it’ll be seen as a park on non footy days.

An all seater for Manly is a pipe dream, they’ll take anything they can get tbh.

Is brookvale the only professional sports club stadium in the world you can take your dog for a sht on the pitch during the week?

 

[Danish]

Is brookvale the only professional sports club stadium in the world you can take your dog for a sht on the pitch during the week?

You can??

Think I need to plan a road trip with my little fella